Calvinism vs. Arminianism?
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Please provide the scriptures that you claim teach us that obedience is a gift from God.
Let's start with that "baby step".
What is neccessary for salvation is to obey the Gospel.
Those who don't obey the Gospel, will suffer the vengeance of God.
Here is my scripture to prove what I believe and teach.
in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:8
- taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel
JPT
Actually it is, in many places. But it is never referred to as a gift.
Where does the Bible say that, Danny?
Please provide just one verse that supports what you are saying.
Where does the Bible say that, Danny?
All you need to do is unpack the Bible doctrine of election and you will find obedience in all of it's blazing glory 
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And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.
Hebrews 11:6 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/heb.11.6.NIV
Hebrews 11:6 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/heb.11.6.NIV
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M
First the sin issue.
People confuse justification with sanctification.
Justification is what Jesus achieved on the cross, he paid the full price
of sin. Sanctification the ongoing process of being changed refined and
all the dross being burnt away. A life long process,
Then the election issue
No one not one person can save themselves, they cannot even be convicted
by themselves. It’s the Holy Spirit who convicts, woes, draws us. Even if we might
think it is us, its not. We would not even believe in God without the revelation
of the Holy Spirit.
Born again
Means a new creation, a new alive spiritual person. It means a person who
surrenders to Jesus, a person who realises their own sin, who humbles themselves,
who cries out to God. A person who becomes awake spiritually. Deep cries out to
Deep. Even that is not of ourselves it’s the drawing of the Holy Spirit.
Sin after being born again.
We all do things wrong see the sanctification bit. The difference is that a
new creation, new person washed by the blood of the lamb develops a tender
conscience. We feel regret more, we feel remorse, we know when we are doing
something which doesn’t please God. We get spiritually hungry and thirsty.
At least I do! For a born again person if they try to live without God it’s like
walking through a desert. People can and do enter that desert and can be in it
for a long time. But the hunger for God is always there. Think of the story of
The Prodigal Son fo example.
None of it is us, even if we think it is. It’s God the Holy Spirit. He draws us,
He convicts us. Thankfully we are sustained and upheld by God and we don’t
have to rely on just our own strength. If we did none of us would make it.
People confuse justification with sanctification.
Justification is what Jesus achieved on the cross, he paid the full price
of sin. Sanctification the ongoing process of being changed refined and
all the dross being burnt away. A life long process,
Then the election issue
No one not one person can save themselves, they cannot even be convicted
by themselves. It’s the Holy Spirit who convicts, woes, draws us. Even if we might
think it is us, its not. We would not even believe in God without the revelation
of the Holy Spirit.
Born again
Means a new creation, a new alive spiritual person. It means a person who
surrenders to Jesus, a person who realises their own sin, who humbles themselves,
who cries out to God. A person who becomes awake spiritually. Deep cries out to
Deep. Even that is not of ourselves it’s the drawing of the Holy Spirit.
Sin after being born again.
We all do things wrong see the sanctification bit. The difference is that a
new creation, new person washed by the blood of the lamb develops a tender
conscience. We feel regret more, we feel remorse, we know when we are doing
something which doesn’t please God. We get spiritually hungry and thirsty.
At least I do! For a born again person if they try to live without God it’s like
walking through a desert. People can and do enter that desert and can be in it
for a long time. But the hunger for God is always there. Think of the story of
The Prodigal Son fo example.
None of it is us, even if we think it is. It’s God the Holy Spirit. He draws us,
He convicts us. Thankfully we are sustained and upheld by God and we don’t
have to rely on just our own strength. If we did none of us would make it.
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Doesn’t a born again person who is a new creation, still have to choose to walk according to the Spirit of Christ within, rather than walking according to the sinful desires of the flesh?
Don’t you realize that grace frees you to choose your own master? But choose carefully, for you surrender yourself to become a servant—bound to the one you choose to obey. If you choose to love sin, it will become your master, and it will own you and reward you with death. But if you choose to love and obey God, he will lead you into perfect righteousness.
Romans 6:16 TPT
JPT
No. The reason Pelageus, Arminius, and Wesley were so adamant was the moral decline they witnessed among the OSAS people.
Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 8:12-13 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/rom.8.12-13.NIV
Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
Romans 8:12-13 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/rom.8.12-13.NIV
M
Yup otherwise we are saying the once for all sin on the cross is
insufficient and does not cover any wrong doing after being saved.
Christ didn’t pay the price for sins, he paid the price for sin.
Christ was only crucified once, he isn’t crucified every time we do
something wrong. Plus anyone who says they have never done anything
wrong, never thought a wrong thought, never forgot to do something they
should have done after being saved, is a liar.
If you read my post it says genuine born spiritually new creations have
tender conscience. We know when we do wrong, we are to keep short accounts
with God. He convicts and forgives but does not condemn.
Even that tender conscience is a result of being born again, a gift if you prefer.
Without Christ we have hearts of stone, in Christ we are given a heart of flesh.
insufficient and does not cover any wrong doing after being saved.
Christ didn’t pay the price for sins, he paid the price for sin.
Christ was only crucified once, he isn’t crucified every time we do
something wrong. Plus anyone who says they have never done anything
wrong, never thought a wrong thought, never forgot to do something they
should have done after being saved, is a liar.
If you read my post it says genuine born spiritually new creations have
tender conscience. We know when we do wrong, we are to keep short accounts
with God. He convicts and forgives but does not condemn.
Even that tender conscience is a result of being born again, a gift if you prefer.
Without Christ we have hearts of stone, in Christ we are given a heart of flesh.
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When a person chooses to believe the gospel, it is the person who chooses to do so.
God does not make people believe.
Rom 1:
19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
A person becomes born again when he chooses to believe the gospel.
Eph 1:
13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
People hear the gospel so they have a chance to believe it, and when they believe it, they become born again.
Whether you know it or not, or whether you believe it or not, it was your decision to believe the gospel.
God does not make people believe.
Rom 1:
19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
A person becomes born again when he chooses to believe the gospel.
Eph 1:
13) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
People hear the gospel so they have a chance to believe it, and when they believe it, they become born again.
Whether you know it or not, or whether you believe it or not, it was your decision to believe the gospel.