What is Repentance?

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Danny1988

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That is a very good point but I would say that it depends more on a PAST condition which can actually be OT or on a personal level refer to our NATURAL/carnal human birth, but read on....Acts 17v30 And the time of this ignorance God winked at but NOW commanded all men everywhere to repent.
Can you see the difference between THEN and NOW ? Repentance is for everyone WILLING to change !!! no excuse.
Sadly christians have never seen the need to change having falsly been grounded in false traditions !!! USING the name of CHRIST is a good start but needs to be further EXPANDED on to ACTUALLY DOING what He says..... .And why call you me Lord, Lord and do not the things which I say ? Lk 6v46.
It's there in black and white, yet christians will NOT WALK with Him !
I don't believe "Christians" can walk with God unless the Holy Spirit is working in them. There are around 1.8 billion "Christians" in the world, I believe most of them are not true believers. They profess to be Christians but when you look at their lives, you see that they have just added Jesus to their life style instead of giving their lives to Him and becoming His slaves.
 

Danny1988

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Although it is our responsibility to repent and believe in Christ as Savior and we will be held accountable for unbelief (John 3:18), repentance unto life/saving belief in Christ (Acts 10:43; 11:17,18) is never exclusively a matter of human decision. Unless the Father draws us and enables us, we would NEVER come to believe all by ourselves (John 6:44,65). The approach of the soul to Christ is initiated by the Father, but He doesn't force us to repent and believe the gospel, we must choose. The impulse to faith in Christ comes from God.
You summed it up better than I could, yes we need repent and believe the Gospel just as Jesus commanded us to. I find that most people here don't believe that God plays the main role in our salvation, they claim that they play the main role by choosing to believe the Gospel.
 

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Repentance

Context is ALWAY'S key: A words meaning changes depending upon the context that it's used in.

Below Vine's highlights the meaning & gives the verse's that apply based on context (Verb, Adjective, Noun etc) used.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.
(NOTE: Repentance toward God, for the Jew that had a covenant with God. He was to return to serving God. To the gentile that never had God. He was to acknowledge that God is. 2ndly, Faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ. The Jew was to acknowledge Jesus was their promised Messiah. The gentile was to place their faith in Christ's death, burial & resurrection)

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
(NOTE: It's not thru our greatness of obedience that we repent/change our thinking outlook. It's the indwelling Holy Spirit that leads us to repent/change our thinking outlook).

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
(NOTE: Sin repentance is a result of one's faith. God grants/gives us the ability to repent & to turn from ungodly/dead works. It's this granted God given repentance that leads to Godly works. A result/fruit that process from of one's faith)

Romans 1:5 ""Through him we received grace"" & apostleship ""to call all the Gentiles to the obedience"" ""that comes from faith"" for his name’s sake.
(Faith leads to obedience)

Romans 16:26 but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, ""so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience"" ""that comes from faith""
(Gentiles are brought to obedience/repentance/godly living thru Faith)

Vine's Expository Dictionary of NT Words: Repent, Repentance

(Strong's #3340 — Verb — metanoeo — met-an-o-eh'-o )
lit., "to perceive afterwards" (meta, "after," implying "change," noeo, "to perceive;" nous, "the mind, the seat of moral reflection"), in contrast to pronoeo, "to perceive beforehand," hence signifies "to change one's mind or purpose," always, in the NT, involving a change for the better, an amendment, and always, except in Luke 17:3,4 , of "repentance" from sin. The word is found in the Synoptic Gospels (in Luke, nine times), in Acts five times, in the Apocalypse twelve times, eight in the messages to the churches, Revelation 2:5 (twice),16,21 (twice), RV, "she willeth not to repent" (2nd part); Revelation 3:3,19 (the only churches in those chapters which contain no exhortation in this respect are those at Smyrna and Philadelphia); elsewhere only in 2 Corinthians 12:21 . See also the general Note below.

(Strong's #3338 — Verb — metamelomai — met-am-el'-lom-ahee )
meta, as in No. 1, and melo, "to care for," is used in the Passive Voice with the Middle Voice sense, signifying "to regret, to repent oneself," Matthew 21:29 , RV, "repented himself;" Matthew 21:32 , RV, "ye did (not) repent yourselves" (AV, "ye repented not"); Matthew 27:3 , "repented himself" 2 Corinthians 7:8 (twice), RV, "regret" in each case; Hebrews 7:21 , where alone in the NT it is said (negatively) of God.

(Strong's #278 — Adjective — ametameletos — am-et-am-el'-ay-tos )
"not repented of, unregretted" (a, negative, and a verbal adjective of A, No. 2), signifies "without change of purpose;" it is said (a) of God in regard to his "gifts and calling," Romans 11:29 ; (b) of man, 2 Corinthians 7:10 , RV, "[repentance (metanoia, see C)] ... which bringeth no regret" (AV, "not to be repented of"); the difference between metanoia and metamelomai, illustrated here, is briefly expressed in the contrast between "repentance" and "regret."

(Strong's #3341 — Noun Feminine — metanoia — met-an'-oy-ah )
"afterthought, change of mind, repentance," corresponds in meaning to A, No. 1, and is used of "repentance" from sin or evil, except in Hebrews 12:17 , where the word "repentance" seems to mean, not simply a change of Isaac's mind, but such a change as would reverse the effects of his own previous state of mind. Esau's birthright-bargain could not be recalled; it involved an irretrievable loss. As regards "repentance" from sin, (a) the requirement by God on man's part is set forth, e.g., in Matthew 3:8 ; Luke 3:8 ; Acts 20:21 ; 26:20 ; (b) the mercy of God in giving "repentance" or leading men to it is set forth, e.g., in Acts 5:31 ; 11:18 ; Romans 2:4 ; 2 Timothy 2:25 . The most authentic mss. omit the word in Matthew 9:13 ; Mark 2:17 , as in the RV.

Vine's Note: In the OT, "repentance" with reference to sin is not so prominent as that change of mind or purpose, out of pity for those who have been affected by one's action, or in whom the results of the action have not fulfilled expectations, a "repentance" attributed both to God and to man, e.g., Genesis 6:6 ; Exodus 32:14 (that this does not imply anything contrary to God's immutability, but that the aspect of His mind is changed toward an object that has itself changed, see under RECONCILE).

Vine's Note: In the NT the subject chiefly has reference to "repentance" from sin, and this change of mind involves both a turning from sin and a turning to God. The parable of the Prodigal Son is an outstanding illustration of this. Christ began His ministry with a call to "repentance," Matthew 4:17 , but the call is addressed, not as in the OT to the nation, but to the individual. In the Gospel of John, as distinct from the Synoptic Gospels, referred to above, "repentance" is not mentioned, even in connection with John the Baptist's preaching; in John's Gospel and 1st Epistle the effects are stressed, e.g., in the new birth, and, generally, in the active turning from sin to God by the exercise of faith (John 3:3 ; 9:38 ; 1 John 1:9 ), as in the NT in general.
 
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You summed it up better than I could, yes we need repent and believe the Gospel just as Jesus commanded us to. I find that most people here don't believe that God plays the main role in our salvation, they claim that they play the main role by choosing to believe the Gospel.
Please read what you wrote again, see if you see what I see.
 

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I don't believe "Christians" can walk with God unless the Holy Spirit is working in them. There are around 1.8 billion "Christians" in the world, I believe most of them are not true believers. They profess to be Christians but when you look at their lives, you see that they have just added Jesus to their life style instead of giving their lives to Him and becoming His slaves.
And that is the reason why I said they had to change , because they are NOT walking with Jesus/Yashua.!
 

Danny1988

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Please read what you wrote again, see if you see what I see.
I'm exposing the false belief that man saves himself by choosing to believe the Gospel, but the Bible tells us clearly that we are not by saved by making a wise choice. God gives us the gift of faith before we can make the wise choice, so that you can't boast about how smart you are and how dumb the reprobate are
 

Danny1988

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And that is the reason why I said they had to change , because they are NOT walking with Jesus/Yashua.!
Good point, but there's a slight issue. A person who is dead in their sin, cannot change and become a believer. They hate God and the Gospel is utter foolishness so why would they give their lives to someone they hate and follow His foolish Son.
 

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Good point, but there's a slight issue. A person who is dead in their sin, cannot change and become a believer. They hate God and the Gospel is utter foolishness so why would they give their lives to someone they hate and follow His foolish Son.
I'll bet that even some of your fellow Calvinists on this forum cringe when they see you posting... :)

G'nite, Danny.
 

Danny1988

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I'll bet that even some of your fellow Calvinists on this forum cringe when they see you posting... :)

G'nite, Danny.
I know the truth is very sobering and it shakes us out of our ignorant bliss, so I don't expect anyone to enjoy reading the awful truth
 

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Good point, but there's a slight issue. A person who is dead in their sin, cannot change and become a believer. They hate God and the Gospel is utter foolishness so why would they give their lives to someone they hate and follow His foolish Son.
They are not physically dead and can still read, write and take part in a discussion.....so there might be a seed or word planted that can give them new Hope....they are not exactly God-haters.....just misled ! We are not talking about Atheists but deceived christians.
 

Danny1988

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They are not physically dead and can still read, write and take part in a discussion.....so there might be a seed or word planted that can give them new Hope....they are not exactly God-haters.....just misled ! We are not talking about Atheists but deceived christians.
I haven't come across deceived Christians in the Bible, but I have read about non believers claiming to be Christians. Of the 1.8 billion "Christians" in the world, we can safely say that the vast majority are not true believers, they're only interested in using Jesus to fulfill the lusts of their flesh.
Jesus will send them to the lake of fire, on judgement day.
 
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Good point, but there's a slight issue. A person who is dead in their sin, cannot change and become a believer. They hate God and the Gospel is utter foolishness so why would they give their lives to someone they hate and follow His foolish Son.
Yes, as always God our savior must do the first works to natural man dead in his trespasses and sin without hope and without God in this present world .If he does not first turn us (repent us) no man could repent. A word that also means to ease oneself of shame of offending God , for who would we be repenting towards?

Note..the word "after" ,God does the turning .First things first.

I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself [thus]; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed [to the yoke]: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou [art] the LORD my God. Surely after that I was turned, I repented; and after that I was instructed, I smote upon [my] thigh: I was ashamed, yea, even confounded, because I did bear the reproach of my youth. Jerimiah 31:18-19
 
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They are not physically dead and can still read, write and take part in a discussion.....so there might be a seed or word planted that can give them new Hope....they are not exactly God-haters.....just misled ! We are not talking about Atheists but deceived christians.
I think the word hate means more to not bless God by doing his will Most to not hate the god concept .but which god? The god of this world or the God who reveals Himself as it is written .As it is written makes the god of this world flee.
 
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I'm exposing the false belief that man saves himself by choosing to believe the Gospel, but the Bible tells us clearly that we are not by saved by making a wise choice. God gives us the gift of faith before we can make the wise choice, so that you can't boast about how smart you are and how dumb the reprobate are
You still did not read what your wrote, you contradicted yourself in your post, please reread what you wrote,

All you exposed was you either made a mistake in wording, orhave placed your faith in a doctrine which contradicts itself.
 
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I know the truth is very sobering and it shakes us out of our ignorant bliss, so I don't expect anyone to enjoy reading the awful truth
We enjoy reading your posts though, not for your sake, but for the sake of strengthening our own faith.
 
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Repentance is a deep sadness in virtue of what we did, to the point that we are disgusted with ourselves and, for this, we want to be new creatures in Christ Jesus.
 

Danny1988

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You still did not read what your wrote, you contradicted yourself in your post, please reread what you wrote,

All you exposed was you either made a mistake in wording, orhave placed your faith in a doctrine which contradicts itself.
I just spoke to my pastor and asked him how to deal with Christians like yourself and others who are opposed to our understanding of the scriptures.
He basically told me to pray for you, I asked him "are they lost" and he said by no means are they lost. If they believe that they are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ then they are genuine Christians regardless of their position on the controversial scriptures, which Calvinists and Armininans argue over.
He reminded me that the thief on the cross was neither Arminian or Calvinist, he simply believed in Jesus and he was saved.

So we are going to have to agree to disagree, I apologize if I made it sound like you can't be a genuine Christian if you don't hold to Calvin's teaching. I will continue to remain faithful to my convictions and I can't hold it against you if you see things differently, but of' course I would still encourage you to have a closer look at Calvin.
 
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I just spoke to my pastor and asked him how to deal with Christians like yourself and others who are opposed to our understanding of the scriptures.
He basically told me to pray for you, I asked him "are they lost" and he said by no means are they lost. If they believe that they are saved by God's grace through faith in Christ then they are genuine Christians regardless of their position on the controversial scriptures, which Calvinists and Armininans argue over.
He reminded me that the thief on the cross was neither Arminian or Calvinist, he simply believed in Jesus and he was saved.

So we are going to have to agree to disagree, I apologize if I made it sound like you can't be a genuine Christian if you don't hold to Calvin's teaching. I will continue to remain faithful to my convictions and I can't hold it against you if you see things differently, but of' course I would still encourage you to have a closer look at Calvin.
Lol, well thanks bro. You just proved your a listener of men not god, you could not even look at what i trid to point out to you so you couod see your error and at least correct it.

I tried to give you an out by not judging, but since you refuse and instead have judged me, i will in turn point out your mistake

1. You sad, and i quote,
we need to repent and believe in the Gospel just as Jesus commanded us to.
Admitting that yes we need to repent and believe, as cmmanded

And then contradicted yourself completely!

I find that most people here don't believe that God plays the main role in our salvation, they claim that they play the main role by choosing to believe the Gospel.
By saying if we do as god commanded and believe, like you said we must do in your first statement, that we are in error and teying to save ourself.

If you would have read you could have seen that, but your pride is too deep, you need to walk away from your pastor, he is not telling you gods way, in this issue or tithing,
 

Danny1988

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Lol, well thanks bro. You just proved your a listener of men not god, you could not even look at what i trid to point out to you so you couod see your error and at least correct it.

I tried to give you an out by not judging, but since you refuse and instead have judged me, i will in turn point out your mistake

1. You sad, and i quote,


Admitting that yes we need to repent and believe, as cmmanded

And then contradicted yourself completely!



By saying if we do as god commanded and believe, like you said we must do in your first statement, that we are in error and teying to save ourself.

If you would have read you could have seen that, but your pride is too deep, you need to walk away from your pastor, he is not telling you gods way, in this issue or tithing,
No your understanding of the scriptures is too shallow, that's why you have so much difficulty understanding simple scripture.
If you had simple understanding you would know that my statements don't contradict each other.

In the first statement I was conveying the foolishness of believing you are saved because of your decision to believe. Nobody can believe unless God causes or forces them if you like, to believe. You will never come to believe on your own steam.

There is no contradiction, we still respond to God drawing us by believing, repenting and doing all the works related to salvation. It's pure and simple but it's hard for hardened minds to receive.

I don't need to be a Bible expert, my pastor is a better expert than anyone here. He has been appointed by God to his position to be a shepherd and we are his sheep. It sounds like you are lost with no shepherd, you should swallow your foolish pride and find a Biblical Church and start following a shepherd so you won't go astray.

It's evident that you are lost in your self delusion, remember Satan knows the Bible better than you and look at His state. What has head knowledge done for Him, yes it has cursed Him all the more. So the more you know, the greater your condemnation is because you will be held to a higher account.

My pastor said, we don't need to know the Bible to be saved. He reminded me that the thief on the cross didn't know his Bible, all he had was simple faith and that's all God needs. He's not impressed by your smug self importance and pride.
 

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Repentance is turning away from your own ways and your own understanding and trusting instead in the Lord Jesus Christ.

It sounds easy but if you don't already know the Lord and what He does for us then there is no way you can know what repentance even is.

Repentance isn't sadness. But sadness can lead to repentance.

Repentance isn't changing your mind. But repentance can cause you to change your mind.

Repentance isn't ceasing to sin. But repentance can cause you to cease from sin.


I don't think a person can repent unless they have TRIED to cease from sin. I don't think a person can repent unless they have TRIED to change their mind.

But just because a person wants to do something or tries to do something doesn't mean they have the power to do it.

Only in Christ can we overcome.

And repentance is a gift from God.

It doesn't feel like it at the time... lol