John Chapter 3 REFUTES Five Point Calvinism

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Danny1988 said:
Luke was your garden variety Herbalist, modern medicine replaced herbal medicine in 1915.

I didn't say that a medical Doctor couldn't be a Christian, I said the one who accepts science instead of the Bible is not real
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right

so medieval practices, with leeches and such, means you CAN be a Christian

blood letting also

but not knowledge of germs or what causes the spread of disease or anything 'modern' like that cause God does not approve

do you hear yourself?
 
garee said:
Sorry, What kind of view did he have? Worldly as in no faith coming from the word of God as that which comes by hearing God alone ?

Can't find God by looking at the rudiments (atoms and molecues of this corrupted creation ) under a microscope. No one knows what kind of rudiments will be in the new incorruptible new heavens and earth . God is not limited by that which he creates. (paganism)

No corrupted flesh and blood in the new .

Corruption does not inherit the incorruptible.but a entirely new creation does

Ministries (Answers in Geneisis ) like that of Ken Ham and Gary Parker(and American Indian) refute those who are still looking for the missing bones theory of men .
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As already Augustin said, there are two main God's books - the book of nature and the book of Scriptures.

You need intelligence to live in the world and you need intelligence to read Scriptures and understand words in them.

You need also some spiritual gifts to become a true believer in true God.
 
7seasrekeyed said:
right

so medieval practices, with leeches and such, means you CAN be a Christian

blood letting also

but not knowledge of germs or what causes the spread of disease or anything 'modern' like that cause God does not approve

do you hear yourself?
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God created science, but sinful men perverted it. They messed up the entire discipline, with their Satanic Darwinian lies.

They won't allow you the liberty to choose to believe in the Biblical version of creation and the natural world.

You must conform and agree with their Atheism, the big bang and every other perversion of the truth if you are going to be successful in medicine or science or any other important occupation.

You must join the them or your career will go nowhere.
 
God CERTAINLY "foreknew" His Prophets and Priests, in the O.T.

If one DEFINES "Unconditional Election" as being "God's REMNANT?" One would be correct!

Does God KNOW "Whomsoever WILL, "MAY Come, TO the cross of Christ?" God Forbid! As this would NEGATE His Grace of "ones' ability TO CHOOSE" in the matter!

Meaning? God does know SOME! (His Remnant) These are ones, who have NO choice, no matter how hard, or how much one may, or is able to resist!

There is therefore NO shame, nor, CONDEMNATION for, or in ones' "choosing" Christ! (called) And? in ones' growing and maturing, Christ's AND the Father's HOPE that one, BECOMES a "Remnant!" (chosen) Finding out "along THE WAY, that when looking back on ones' life? That they themselves actually "see" HOW God's "management, if you will", of, and in, that one's life was how they came to the point that they are at present.

After ALL, the 7,000 of "God's Remnant", is not an "actual number!" But, a "Biblical numeric", for those achieving spiritual perfection, becoming "Joint-Heirs" WITH Christ!

THIS, is what people DIDN'T understand, concerning Paul's "teachings/Preaching's" They BELIEVED Paul and those with him were GODS! Which is why Paul stated: "If you "cut" me? I'll BLEED!"

The MAJOR PROBLEM is, this "glass ceiling", which exists, between "flesh and spirit!" Along with the "vanity/lust/pride, etc. etc." in mans' spirit, that "hooks" a man! "If "you can go?" "So can I/WE!" Which is NOT THE CASE! (stated simply, yet not easy). Which is why Jesus told His Disciples, that: Where I'm going, you cannot go!" As the Holy Spirit had not been given unto them.......Yet!

The "water" spoken of by Christ to Nicodemus, is NOT "baptismal water." It is the "water which breaks", when flesh is born.
 
trofimus said:
As already Augustin said, there are two main God's books - the book of nature and the book of Scriptures.

You need intelligence to live in the world and you need intelligence to read Scriptures and understand words in them.

You need also some spiritual gifts to become a true believer in true God.
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I thought wisdom was more valuable and precious than intelligence
 
Danny1988 said:
God created science, but sinful men perverted it. They messed up the entire discipline, with their Satanic Darwinian lies.

They won't allow you the liberty to choose to believe in the Biblical version of creation and the natural world.

You must conform and agree with their Atheism, the big bang and every other perversion of the truth if you are going to be successful in medicine or science or any other important occupation.

You must join the them or your career will go nowhere.
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where do you get this nonsense from?

you say you are a Calvinist but I have never heard ANY Calvinist make the nonsensical remarks that you seem to specialize in
 
Danny1988 said:
So you believe your ancestors were monkeys huh?
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Monkey see, monkey do .Or like Forest Gump.. stupid is what stupid does.

The missing link that causes a wonder (faith principle) is still missing . Christians cannot create the own kind of sign as a wonder. Jesus said its natural unconverted man that does seek after those kinds of wonders ,calling them a evil generation(beginning) as the generation of Adam it apposes the generation of Christ .
 
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7seasrekeyed said:
where do you get this nonsense from?

you say you are a Calvinist but I have never heard ANY Calvinist make the nonsensical remarks that you seem to specialize in
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I'll give you the tip, secular mainstream science is Antichrist and anti Bible. If you weren't aware of this fact, it might be time to come out from under that rock
 
trofimus said:
Its not "intelligence vs wisdom".

Its "intelligence + wisdom".
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Its God's intelligence equals the wisdom of God.

As the unbelieving (no faith) Jew that requires a outward sign before they would believe , The Greeks (gentiles ) would say; show me God by our intellect as the mere philosophies of men, the wisdom of this world .Both stumble over the same cross .The symbol of Grace of God .


For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.1 Corinthians 1:18-25

No intellectual gospel. God will not forget the love you do show towards him. No IQ ratings in the body of Christ.
 
Danny1988 said:
I'll give you the tip, secular mainstream science is Antichrist and anti Bible. If you weren't aware of this fact, it might be time to come out from under that rock
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but you dismiss all medical science as well

just make sure you never go to a doctor

I think you might be able to purchase leeches somewhere...if not, nasty bodies of water often contain them

and stop using electricity and you know you should also get off the internet

you can't make this stuff up
 
Danny1988 said:
God created science, but sinful men perverted it. They messed up the entire discipline, with their Satanic Darwinian lies.

They won't allow you the liberty to choose to believe in the Biblical version of creation and the natural world.

You must conform and agree with their Atheism, the big bang and every other perversion of the truth if you are going to be successful in medicine or science or any other important occupation.

You must join the them or your career will go nowhere.
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What happened? Can you say "apostasy", and "traditions of man?" Was this God's WILL that this happen? GOD FORBID! What DOES happen, is? Well? You can "read all about it!" In 1 Corinthians 13! How it WAS? And what it BECAME! Is ALL about the "rising of the beast from the bottomless pit!" God KNOWING the end from the beginning! Cycle after cycle, of "world" history testifies of this! One WOULD think, EVENTUALLY, someone would "note the pattern!"

I "do disagree" with you Danny, concerning, "only the elect" shall "choose" Christ! Inasmuch, as the definition of "Unconditional Election", has been made "partially" void, and a "cover all" FOR the "Remnant."

"Merrily, we poke the beast, poke the beast....Poke the beast! Merrily, we poke the beast....All the live long day!" ;)
 
Danny1988 said:
One boasts of itself and the other boasts of God's wisdom, big difference
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Understanding. One of the seven spirits of GOD.

G4907 σύνεσις sunesis (soon'-es-is) n.
1. a mental putting together, i.e. intelligence or (concretely) the intellect
[from G4920]
 
NayborBear said:
What happened? Can you say "apostasy", and "traditions of man?" Was this God's WILL that this happen? GOD FORBID! What DOES happen, is? Well? You can "read all about it!" In 1 Corinthians 13! How it WAS? And what it BECAME! Is ALL about the "rising of the beast from the bottomless pit!" God KNOWING the end from the beginning! Cycle after cycle, of "world" history testifies of this! One WOULD think, EVENTUALLY, someone would "note the pattern!"

I "do disagree" with you Danny, concerning, "only the elect" shall "choose" Christ! Inasmuch, as the definition of "Unconditional Election", has been made "partially" void, and a "cover all" FOR the "Remnant."

"Merrily, we poke the beast, poke the beast....Poke the beast! Merrily, we poke the beast....All the live long day!" ;)
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I wouldn't expect a Roman Catholic Nun, to agree with Calvin's view of salvation by predestination. But I do find you interesting to read, we can still be friends even though we disagree on many things
 
7seasrekeyed said:
but you dismiss all medical science as well

just make sure you never go to a doctor

I think you might be able to purchase leeches somewhere...if not, nasty bodies of water often contain them

and stop using electricity and you know you should also get off the internet

you can't make this stuff up
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Science belongs to Gods people, I told you the Satanic Darwinian, Liberal Socialists have hijacked science and turned it into an evil monster. I can see it has you hook line and sinker, but it hasn't fooled this boy. You've gotta know your enemy, if you are to have any chance at escaping His snare
 
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