What must I do to be saved

[Stunnedbygrace]

He is right about that one,because the flesh is sin,and when a person dies, sin lo longer exist in that person any more. And you are right also, the death right now is the spirit man ,and it has to die in order to take on the new spirit man. as the holy spirit renews our minds. He cannot renew our minds with the old man which is the old spirit man.

The death right now that He calls us to when He says pick up your cross and follow, is the self life. The pride of life, all demands that men must honor us and treat us well and esteem us. I mean, look at us in here, in these forums - if someone is rude or snotty or arrogant towards us, we begin to shriek as if they have pounded nails into our hands and feet. We demand respect and bristle at the lightest snippiness as if we were spit on and beaten. And then we dare to say we are becoming more and more like our Lord??

No. It's better to just walk in the truth and admit our pride and hurt feelings and touchiness and then wait for His power to be made perfect in our weakness.

 

[Gabriel2020]

Nowhere does the Bible say that it's possible to live without sinning, you are either willfully ignorant or just a straight out liar and a false Christian

This has been a difficult topic all around. To understand being free of sin when you have received the Holy Spirit in you does not mean you stop sinning, you are no longer a servant to sin any longer. The Holy Spirit is light, and when he is in you that light have blotted out darkness. Even though the darkness is still there,as long as the light shines,it cannot be seen. That is what the scripture meant when it said that anyone that is born of God does not sin, and cannot continue to sin. Even though ,the darkness is still there and doing it's dirty deeds, it cannot be seen as long as there is light. Keep it on!

 

[seed_time_harvest]

To be saved one must obey the commandments....which is to love others as yourself. This is the law and the prophets.

Sounds like something the rich young ruler would say but to be saved a person must believe the WORD of GOD IN CHRIST Who fulfilled the law satisfying the demand of the law by shedding HIS blood on a cross on our behalf and making all things new.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I disagree. I don't think you are reading this mans posts carefully. He is preaching a victorious life in Christ as possible. Other men are saying a victorious life in Christ is not possible. And you think he is using some excuse like when satan tried to tempt Jesus?? That makes no sense...

It appears to me that other men are making excuses of some sort - not this man.

If we abide we do not sin. Why would a man be attacked for saying this? It IS a verse. (And we know that IF we sin, we have an advocate.) So why would anyone strenuously argue that they will sin, when they should put all of that energy into learning to abide so they won't sin??

i disagree with you

i have read his posts carefully

taking scripture our of context is what satan did

and his poor excuses reminded me of that


he is pushing works salvation <- false gospel


maybe you didnt read my posts carefully either but im not saying anything about who will or wont sin


im saying we are saved by grace through faith

he is saying we are saved if our walk is up to par


that is nonsense

we are saved by the imputed righteousness of Jesus

not self righteousness

 

[memawsson72732]

What must one do to be saved.

I believe God decides who will be saved and who won't.

There are many scriptures which support the view that we don't decide to believe in Christ, but faith in Christ is a gift that God gives only to His elect.

Most folks don't agree with the doctrine of predestination/election, because many other scriptures say things like you must obey and remain faithful to the end etc...

These two opposing views have been debated for centuries, so today we have the benefit of many good good books on the subject but have we arrived at a consensus in the Church.

I would love to see the Church unite and resolve this dividing issue. But I fear that it will continue to be an enigma for the Church. Why can't we let the Bible be the final authority and accept what it really says and unite in the truth.

well. all i got to do is believe. Jesus said believe on him whom he hath sent, that is the work i need to do to be saved.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

well. all i got to do is believe. Jesus said believe on him whom he hath sent, that is the work i need to do to be saved.

spot on bro...



John 6:47 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

Acts 16:31 - And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 11:26

“And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”

 

[LW97]

 

[Danny1988]

I disagree.

The verse says: if we abide in Him we do not sin.

This appears to be saying it is possible to live without sinning.

So my first reaction is to ask someone to please tell me what abide means and how one does abide. My first reaction is not to argue that the verse is wrong. And it's not to look ahead to the future either. It's to be focused on abiding right now so that I won't sin!

But as it stands, the verse says, if we abide we don't sin and yet men say: Wrong! If we abide we DO sin!

If we abide in Him we will never willfully sin, I believe that's what the verse is saying. God doesn't hold it against a saved person if a sinful thought enters his mind, that's Satan throwing darts at him. God does hold it against you if you surrender to the temptation and physically act out the sin, without any resistance as the reprobate do.

 

[Danny1988]

You might get a lot of different definitions of what abide means. To me, it just means to remain in trust, to continue in trust.

The moment I try hard not to sin, I have left off trusting in Him to finish what He began in me. (I've left off abiding).

So to me, the verse is saying: anyone who continues to trust Him does not sin.

And this has been my experience. The moment I stop trusting Him and begin working hard to not sin, I stumble. When I return to trusting Him, He gives me victory.

All I have to do is admit my weakness, trust Him to change my mind and heart, and then wait in trust.

And if I had understood this sooner, I could have saved myself years of frustration and depression. But instead, I kept trying to perfect myself, which was the mistake of the Galatians.

I hope you're not suggesting that you won't sin if you abide in Him, that would be going against what the Bible says. The only time we will stop sinning is when we receive our glorified bodies in heaven, until then we will continue to sin every day.

 

[Danny1988]

Iv'e heard this man preach many times, I stopped listening to him as soon as he exposed himself as an Arminian

 

[mailmandan]

If we abide in Him we will never willfully sin, I believe that's what the verse is saying. God doesn't hold it against a saved person if a sinful thought enters his mind, that's Satan throwing darts at him. God does hold it against you if you surrender to the temptation and physically act out the sin, without any resistance as the reprobate do.

1 John 3:6 - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Sinneth not (ouc amartanei). Linear present (linear menwn, keeps on abiding) active indicative of amartanw, "does not keep on sinning." For menw (abide) see Hebrews 2:6; John 15:4-10. Whosoever sinneth (o amartanwn). Present (linear) active articular participle like menwn above, "the one who keeps on sinning" (lives a life of sin, not mere occasional acts of sin as amarthsa, aorist active participle, would mean). Hath not seen him (ouc ewraken auton). Perfect active indicative of oraw. The habit of sin is proof that one has not the vision or the knowledge (egnwken, perfect active also) of Christ. He means, of course, spiritual vision and spiritual knowledge, not the literal sense of oraw in John 1:18; John 20:29.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/robertsons-word-pictures/1-john/1-john-3-6.html

 

[Danny1988]

1 John 3:6 - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Sinneth not (ouc amartanei). Linear present (linear menwn, keeps on abiding) active indicative of amartanw, "does not keep on sinning." For menw (abide) see Hebrews 2:6; John 15:4-10. Whosoever sinneth (o amartanwn). Present (linear) active articular participle like menwn above, "the one who keeps on sinning" (lives a life of sin, not mere occasional acts of sin as amarthsa, aorist active participle, would mean). Hath not seen him (ouc ewraken auton). Perfect active indicative of oraw. The habit of sin is proof that one has not the vision or the knowledge (egnwken, perfect active also) of Christ. He means, of course, spiritual vision and spiritual knowledge, not the literal sense of oraw in John 1:18; John 20:29.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/robertsons-word-pictures/1-john/1-john-3-6.html

Regeneration and sanctification are gradual processes, we are transformed to the image of Christ gradually. As soon as we are converted the Holy Spirit starts His work, but it takes time to starve out the old man. By resisting the temptation to sin makes us stronger every day, until we finnaly become like Christ when we receive our reward in the end.

 

[shrume]

If we abide in Him we will never willfully sin, I believe that's what the verse is saying.

I hope you're not suggesting that you won't sin if you abide in Him, that would be going against what the Bible says.

Contradiction much?

 

[Danny1988]

Contradiction much?

He who started a good work in you will finish it, nowhere does the Bible say that we become perfect and sinless at the point of our conversion

 

[lightbearer]

I hope you're not suggesting that you won't sin if you abide in Him, that would be going against what the Bible says. The only time we will stop sinning is when we receive our glorified bodies in heaven, until then we will continue to sin every day.

Where is that verse?

True or false. We can do all things through HIM who Strengthens us. For we are more than conquers. For GOD is faithful HE will not suffer us to be tempted above that we are able to bear but with the temptation give us a way to bear it.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

i disagree with you

i have read his posts carefully

taking scripture our of context is what satan did

and his poor excuses reminded me of that


he is pushing works salvation <- false gospel


maybe you didnt read my posts carefully either but im not saying anything about who will or wont sin


im saying we are saved by grace through faith

he is saying we are saved if our walk is up to par


that is nonsense

we are saved by the imputed righteousness of Jesus

not self righteousness

I don't believe he is talking about self righteousness. I think he is saying: make no mistake - a righteous man does what is righteous. I think he is talking about the power that can make you actually BE lawabiding. Other men seem to think that is...illegal? Or that it is illegal to run a race to win it...?

Does His blood cover me because He cannot possibly give me victory over sin, or does His blood cover me so that I can stumble and learn to abide (trust more and more) without abject fear?

 

[Danny1988]

Where is that verse?

True or false. We can do all things through HIM who Strengthens us. For we are more than conquers. For GOD is faithful HE will not suffer us to be tempted above that we are able to bear but with the temptation give us a way to bear it.

If you believe that you're sinless we have nothing to discuss

 

[NoNameMcgee]

I don't believe he is talking about self righteousness. I think he is saying: make no mistake - a righteous man does what is righteous. I think he is talking about the power that can make you actually BE lawabiding. Other men seem to think that is...illegal? Or that it is illegal to run a race to win it...?

Does His blood cover me because He cannot possibly give me victory over sin, or does His blood cover me so that I can stumble and learn to abide (trust more and more) without abject fear?

youre conflating two points


we are justified by faith

not deeds

this is what im calling him out on


i encourage seeking deliverance from any sin

i wish for us all to be shining examples and witnesses


but youre very confused if you think youre not defending a works salvationist right now


he is lying about the bible and
saying "not sinning" is what saves in a thread called what must i do to be saved

and youre acting as if when i call this lie out im justifying sin <- youre either confused (which is what i believe the case to be) and making a straw man

or falsely accusing me with your original reply to me


i like you lol
we have spoken a lot
but i wont bend the truth or dance around the issue at hand

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I hope you're not suggesting that you won't sin if you abide in Him, that would be going against what the Bible says

I hope you're not suggesting that if we abide in Him we will sin, because that would be going against the bible.
You could say a lot of things - for instance:

If I don't abide in Him, I will/do sin.
Or, I sin whenever I stop abiding in Him.
You could even say, perhaps, that if it were possible for you to remain in trust (abide) at all times, you wouldn't sin, but that you have not found it possible to abide (trust) at all times and therefore you sin.

But you cannot say if you abide in him you sin.

 

[Danny1988]

I hope you're not suggesting that if we abide in Him we will sin, because that would be going against the bible.
You could say a lot of things - for instance:

If I don't abide in Him, I will/do sin.
Or, I sin whenever I stop abiding in Him.
You could even say, perhaps, that if it were possible for you to remain in trust (abide) at all times, you wouldn't sin, but that you have not found it possible to abide (trust) at all times and therefore you sin.

But you cannot say if you abide in him you sin.

Jesus never preached a Schizophrenic Bi Polar Gospel, where you perpetually lose your salvation and then gain it again. That would make Christ weak and incapable of assuring us of salvation, because we could die while we don't abide for that moment and lose our salvation