What must I do to be saved
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joefizz
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You are in error,Peter wanted to something similar and Jesus told him he could not,Peter asked to drink from his cup and Jesus told him he knew not what he asked.(someone can continue where I left off including a nameless individual)
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joefizz
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There is none good no not one....
"All" have fallen short of the glory of God.
Nowhere does the Bible say that it's possible to live without sinning, you are either willfully ignorant or just a straight out liar and a false Christian
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theanointedsinner
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the environment is tainted with sin
and our flesh is tainted with sin
Jesus is our only hope, believe
and
physical death with the resurrecting power of Jesus Christ is the only escape from sin.
and,
sin leads to "losing your respect for God"
and irreverence leads to "lower-quality wisdom" (more and more folly and allowed and tolerated)
and our flesh is tainted with sin
Jesus is our only hope, believe
and
physical death with the resurrecting power of Jesus Christ is the only escape from sin.
and,
sin leads to "losing your respect for God"
and irreverence leads to "lower-quality wisdom" (more and more folly and allowed and tolerated)
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theanointedsinner
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If
I have memories of sin
Then
I will still have memories of sin
For the negation of the if-then statement (useful for proof by contradictions)
If
I have memories of sin
Then the negation of
I will still have memories of sin
If I have memories of sin, then it's still possible that I can forget what it's like to experience sinning <-- if this is true, then there's hope
whatever happened that I forget sin, then I should keep going
however, if I become prideful, and "arrogance leads to destruction"
then I will backslide
Q: what if I keep humble? (be careful how you define "humble")
if self-debasement, then depression and deprivation, and we would want to seek relief from that,
if sin can promise relief (from depression) and sinful pleasures, then what is there to stop us from pursuing sin?
If there is something, that what is this something?
if there isn't, then this is also a successful execution of "proof by contradiction"
Q: is all hope lost?
I have memories of sin
Then
I will still have memories of sin
For the negation of the if-then statement (useful for proof by contradictions)
If
I have memories of sin
Then the negation of
I will still have memories of sin
If I have memories of sin, then it's still possible that I can forget what it's like to experience sinning <-- if this is true, then there's hope
whatever happened that I forget sin, then I should keep going
however, if I become prideful, and "arrogance leads to destruction"
then I will backslide
Q: what if I keep humble? (be careful how you define "humble")
if self-debasement, then depression and deprivation, and we would want to seek relief from that,
if sin can promise relief (from depression) and sinful pleasures, then what is there to stop us from pursuing sin?
If there is something, that what is this something?
if there isn't, then this is also a successful execution of "proof by contradiction"
Q: is all hope lost?
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theanointedsinner
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Q: is all hope lost?
this is why we need to find the right balance
if imbalance = miss the mark
or "sin"
then these 2 verses can help illustrate the concept of balance and moderation
let your moderation be evident to all (Phil 4:5)
here are the 2 bible verses
Romans 6:23 - the wages of sin is death
and
Matthew 7:13-14 (NIV)
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
it's best to have an accurate and "sober judgment" of who you are
Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. (Romans 12:3)
if you think of yourself with sober judgment
and you keep yourself in humble prayer before an almighty God
and reading God's word
I believe you would signifigantly decrease the likelihood to backslide into habitual sins
If you forget what it's like to experience habitual sinning
that would be spiritually better for you
and also "thou shall not covet"
and Psalms 23:1 - I shall not be in want
if possible, forgetting what it's like to covet idols, or forgetting what it's like to want anything else other than God himself
would be ideal
this is why we need to find the right balance
if imbalance = miss the mark
or "sin"
then these 2 verses can help illustrate the concept of balance and moderation
let your moderation be evident to all (Phil 4:5)
here are the 2 bible verses
Romans 6:23 - the wages of sin is death
and
Matthew 7:13-14 (NIV)
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.
it's best to have an accurate and "sober judgment" of who you are
Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the faith God has distributed to each of you. (Romans 12:3)
if you think of yourself with sober judgment
and you keep yourself in humble prayer before an almighty God
and reading God's word
I believe you would signifigantly decrease the likelihood to backslide into habitual sins
If you forget what it's like to experience habitual sinning
that would be spiritually better for you
and also "thou shall not covet"
and Psalms 23:1 - I shall not be in want
if possible, forgetting what it's like to covet idols, or forgetting what it's like to want anything else other than God himself
would be ideal
All you need to do to be saved is believe in Jesus Christ, nothing more and nothing less.
Beware of these who tell you you need to believe plus do XY&Z, they are like the pharisees. Jesus called them hypocrites, they say you must obey the law but they don't obey it themselves.
If you believe in Jesus, you salvation is guaranteed and you have nothing to fear. The false professors will tell you that you can lose your salvation, beware of these. If you believe in Jesus, then you receive the reward which Jesus purchased on the cross and that gift is all you need to be saved.
False Christian Churches sell salvation like a consumer product, Jesus offers it free of charge. They have committed the grievous sin of cashing in on Christs blood, flee from such false Churches and people.
I disagree.
The verse says: if we abide in Him we do not sin.
This appears to be saying it is possible to live without sinning.
So my first reaction is to ask someone to please tell me what abide means and how one does abide. My first reaction is not to argue that the verse is wrong. And it's not to look ahead to the future either. It's to be focused on abiding right now so that I won't sin!
But as it stands, the verse says, if we abide we don't sin and yet men say: Wrong! If we abide we DO sin!
no you are imputing your false understanding to scripture
then calling it the truth
this is not simply "writing down" whats in the bible
satan would have probably used a similar excuse when he tried to tempt Jesus
you seem to know nothing of context
and believe some strange doctrine of men while ignoring most of the bible
I disagree. I don't think you are reading this mans posts carefully. He is preaching a victorious life in Christ as possible. Other men are saying a victorious life in Christ is not possible. And you think he is using some excuse like when satan tried to tempt Jesus?? That makes no sense...
It appears to me that other men are making excuses of some sort - not this man.
If we abide we do not sin. Why would a man be attacked for saying this? It IS a verse. (And we know that IF we sin, we have an advocate.) So why would anyone strenuously argue that they will sin, when they should put all of that energy into learning to abide so they won't sin??
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theanointedsinner
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why would anyone strenuously argue that they will sin, when they should put all of that energy into learning to abide so they won't sin??
based on this, a thread on abiding could be another potential thread that can be started
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theanointedsinner
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the problem is, I know little to nothing about "abiding" maybe I take that word out of context, or misunderstand what it means, stunned, you are probably more qualified to start one
You might get a lot of different definitions of what abide means. To me, it just means to remain in trust, to continue in trust.
The moment I try hard not to sin, I have left off trusting in Him to finish what He began in me. (I've left off abiding).
So to me, the verse is saying: anyone who continues to trust Him does not sin.
And this has been my experience. The moment I stop trusting Him and begin working hard to not sin, I stumble. When I return to trusting Him, He gives me victory.
All I have to do is admit my weakness, trust Him to change my mind and heart, and then wait in trust.
And if I had understood this sooner, I could have saved myself years of frustration and depression. But instead, I kept trying to perfect myself, which was the mistake of the Galatians.
The moment I try hard not to sin, I have left off trusting in Him to finish what He began in me. (I've left off abiding).
So to me, the verse is saying: anyone who continues to trust Him does not sin.
And this has been my experience. The moment I stop trusting Him and begin working hard to not sin, I stumble. When I return to trusting Him, He gives me victory.
All I have to do is admit my weakness, trust Him to change my mind and heart, and then wait in trust.
And if I had understood this sooner, I could have saved myself years of frustration and depression. But instead, I kept trying to perfect myself, which was the mistake of the Galatians.
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theanointedsinner
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The moment I stop trusting Him and begin working hard to not sin, I stumble. <-- big mistake many people make, this mistake is far too common, let alone try to count
wait in trust <-- I still don't know how to "walk by faith, not by sight", especially for that
we are all foolish Galatians
we've been digging through soil after soil, and I think I struck gold!
I disagree.
When He said if any man wants to be His disciple, he must pick up his cross and follow, this was referring to a death right now. And that death is escape from sin. But no man wants to go to his death and give up his rights. So men try to keep their life and their rights while also saying they are His disciple. They want to insist they have laid down their life when they can't even lay down their life of pride for their own brothers.
He is right about that one,because the flesh is sin,and when a person dies, sin lo longer exist in that person any more. And you are right also, the death right now is the spirit man ,and it has to die in order to take on the new spirit man. as the holy spirit renews our minds. He cannot renew our minds with the old man which is the old spirit man.
Yes, big mistake. His strength is made perfect in our weakness. But we must walk in truth, not darkness, by admitting our weakness so that His strength will be made perfect in our weakness. Therefore, Paul said he gloried in his weakness because then he became strong!
We start with earthly things. If we won't believe Him about earthly things, how can He tell us of heavenly things? So we begin to learn the obedience of trust (faith) with temporal and temporary things. For instance, we struggle to have the obedience of trust (faith) that we are not to worry about what we will eat, drink, wear, how we will keep a roof over our heads, because He knows what we have need of. So we begin to not go by what we see (for instance, that the economy is failing and we may lose our job or that our 401k has tanked). Instead, we begin to go by trust in what He has said - that He knows what we have need of and that if He provides food for the birds, then even more will He provide it for us.
To be saved we have to accept the blood of Jesus as atonement for our sins, repent of sin, accept and obey Jesus as Lord and Savior. And we must remain in him until the end and forevermore.