Straw man or red herring which will you sell today?dude you can't find the market!!!
Never mind I do not want either.
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Roger
Speaking in tongues
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Never mind I do not want either.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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that sounds more like your goods
do you have anything new to say that would actually cause a person to not refute your stance because of its unbiblical renderings?
just one of your ad hominem responses from your bag of 'go to' when you do not have an actual response
Not at all . the debate rest on the context of 1cor 12, 13, and 14 concerning the gifts of the Holy Spirit as these chapters speak about. Again no one has to prove to you anything they believe they have received from the Holy Spirit for your acceptance. IF you don’t and 10 other people have seen and agree it is a supernatural language you still would not agree . Anyone who would speaks in tongues to prove they have the gift would be abusing the Gift. No different then Simon the sorcerer who wanted to buy the gift of laying on of hands. I speak in tongues everyday and I know it is a real language and I thank God for this dynamic way of prayer.
If you don't understand what you are saying then why are saying them? no one can be edified by what they don't know.
The summary of 1 Cor 12/13/14 is that if you can't speak intelligible words, shut up.
Just trying to do what the Bible says to do.
1 Cor 14:
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
18) I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all:
Eph 6:
18) Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
4) He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
The context of 1 Cor 12-14 is meetings in the church. If a person wants to speak in tongues in the church, he should pray with the intent to interpret, so the church can be edified. Otherwise it's useless to everyone but him (1 Cor 14:17).
the perfect has not come
where do you see perfect?
get real...
what is this thing you have with prophecy and tongues? no one but you has said anything about that
seriously
The perfect came long time ago.
I saw it when raising the dead ceased; not only that but healing also ceased- patience and perseverance is asked of us.
It is the same spirit that raised the dead then, now you are trying to reduce the spirit of God to speaking unknown words- if you accept that raising the dead ceased, then everything else ceased.
Interesting... How did the perfect come when raising the dead ceased?
I don't accept that raising the dead ceased.
Misrepresenting Paul yet again- if you speak things unknown to yourself, you can't be edified and you won't know that you are edified in any way because you don't understand what you say. The context from which Paul speaks has always been 'understanding'- ripping a tiny verse out of it's context won't help your course.
That verse doesn't mean one speaks words unknown to themselves- it is unknown to the listeners but known to the speaker and that's why it is self edification something that Paul is against because the gifts are to profit the body (different parts- not self edification).
Its not that you won't prove your claims, its that you can't prove your claims and this is the testimony that condemns your claims as bogus. Do not hide behind the "no one has to prove anything to you" excuse. Jesus proved His claims with physical evidence when asked, now you do the same.
Testimony offered as proof of claims of on-going physcial events is both childish and disingenuous.
Label my words as insults if you wish but the truth is not on your side.
You are free to have your opinion.
But it seems to me that your opinion directly contradicts what those verses from 1 Cor 14 say.
Whether you accept it or not, no one raises the dead (common knowledge)- you can visit the morgue near you, count the bodies and trace them in a week or two- i guarantee you, all will be buried. I'm not only guaranteeing you this in your town but it is consisted all over the world.
I say with authority without fear of contradiction that there's no raising of dead and with the same authority- the tongues spoken today are fake.
1 Cor 14 does not encourage anyone to speak things unknown to them.
1 Cor 14:7 Even in the case of lifeless things that make sounds, such as the pipe or harp, how will anyone know what tune is being played unless there is a distinction in the notes? 8Again, if the trumpet does not sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9So it is with you. Unless you speak intelligible words with your tongue, how will anyone know what you are saying? You will just be speaking into the air. 10Undoubtedly there are all sorts of languages in the world, yet none of them is without meaning.
How difficult is it for you to understand the above?
Paul is saying that lifeless things that make meaningful sounds are better than unknown words all day.
In both cases your authority is just that: your authority.
You can deny tongues until you die or Christ returns. I will continue to speak in tongues until I die or Christ returns.
We'll both stand before Christ one day. We'll find out who was right.
well in directly it has been proven however, no one had to ask to prove it . When the gift was used at the time it was proven and has been done more than once . There you go just when we were getting some were with respect you result to insults . were done . it's almost time for you to go.
1 Cor 14:
2) For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
14) For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
5) I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Paul is talking about speaking in tongues IN PUBLIC. Speaking in tongues out loud in public is useless (except for the person speaking) unless it's interpreted.
There's no such thing as speaking in tongues with the intent to interpret ; do you think people's ears were created for your mouth. I for one can not sit around and wait for double speak, if you have something for me you better come directly with the interpretation (something i can understand) but better still, if you speak to me in my local dialect fluently- then that will be a sign to me that truly God has used you to give me even better understanding.
You are now getting me wrong- i don't intend to shut you down, continue doing what you do best but just know it's not from God.
God is not the author of confusion, the opposite of understanding is confusion and that's what's up with modern tongues.
You don't understand what speaking in tongues is, Noose.
If I spoke to you in your known language, I would not be speaking in tongues.
You can't.
I intend to.
I do not agree.
Right. God is not the cause of your confusion as to what speaking in tongues is.
Speaking in tongues is speaking in tongues, whether done today or 2000 years ago.
