The Heresy of Annihilationism

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He had sin in His presence when He went and sought out adam and eve after what they'd done...and that was before any blood covered them.

And when the sons of God went and presented themselves before God, satan also went with them, and he actually had conversation with God...

Not to argue, but this sounds to me like sin in Gods' presence.

sin in Gods presence means you cannot associate sin with God Sin will not stand in HIS presence because HE is HOLY and LIGHT . meaning don’t think God cannot see you have eaten from the tree HE said do not eat. God made man perfect without sin.

 

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Some just don't want to believe that "dead" means "dead" - they want to give EVERYONE eternal life! When it is written: The wages of sin is DEATH, but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL life. . . . and that GIFT is given ONLY to those who believe in Jesus Christ - not to Hitler, Dahmer, Ben Ladin, Manson, etc. (unless they confessed Jesus as Lord on their death beds!) They will face God at the white throne judgment and be judged upon their works and face the second death - which is NOT to live eternally.

eternal life and enternal dammnation are two differnt things

Eternal Life is what the saints get, eternal dammnation is what the unsaved get. As Jesus said .

 

[shrume]

Shrume clearly you do not hold to the idea that the flesh is not saved until it has been tranformed .

We have the promise of salvation. None of us is actually saved yet. We still get sick, grow old, and die.

that is why the body dies we die because of Sin but our spiri8t is eternal .

Our spirit (or soul) is not eternal. That's the crux of the matter, really. There is no immortal soul/spirit.

God made us that way. WE were created for an Eternal God who made us to live forever.

That will happen when Christ returns for us. That is the time when dead Christians will be raised from the dead immortal, and living Christians changed.

Until sin was found in us , now we die.

Indeed we do.

in that dying our spirit still lives out side the phsycial restrictions of the body.

That is simply not the truth. The entire concept of the "immortal soul" comes from Greek mythology.

Jesus is our example of a gloified body which we have the hope of getting when HE comes back.

Amen!

those who have died already will rise again as 1thess chpater 4:13-18 speaks about and in corthians . Jesus to spoke about it.

Yes, those who have DIED will rise again. They are now dead, and they will be raised from the dead.

Again Jesus is the authority on the topic you refuse to listen to what HE said.

I do listen to what he said.

You have unorthodox stands .

I am fully aware that "orthodox" Christianity believes that dead people aren't dead. I am fully convinced that belief is false.

notuptome is correct biblically here. I agree with him because what he has said is what the biblical teaches.

We continue to disagree.

Not human reasoning.

Understanding that death means death is not "human reasoning".

 

[shrume]

Some just don't want to believe that "dead" means "dead" - they want to give EVERYONE eternal life! When it is written: The wages of sin is DEATH, but the GIFT of God is ETERNAL life. . . . and that GIFT is given ONLY to those who believe in Jesus Christ - not to Hitler, Dahmer, Ben Ladin, Manson, etc. (unless they confessed Jesus as Lord on their death beds!) They will face God at the white throne judgment and be judged upon their works and face the second death - which is NOT to live eternally.

Perhaps they think God goves them the gift of eternal torments..

 

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We have the promise of salvation. None of us is actually saved yet. We still get sick, grow old, and die.


Our spirit (or soul) is not eternal. That's the crux of the matter, really. There is no immortal soul/spirit.


That will happen when Christ returns for us. That is the time when dead Christians will be raised from the dead immortal, and living Christians changed.


Indeed we do.


That is simply not the truth. The entire concept of the "immortal soul" comes from Greek mythology.


Amen!


Yes, those who have DIED will rise again. They are now dead, and they will be raised from the dead.


I do listen to what he said.


I am fully aware that "orthodox" Christianity believes that dead people aren't dead. I am fully convinced that belief is false.


We continue to disagree.


Understanding that death means death is not "human reasoning".

lol my my, none of us are saved yet? we are saved now it is faith in Gods word that we have hope of the resurrection . The Spirit lives for ever , did youy cut out the bible of something ?
now you are moving from error to hairytic

 

[shrume]

eternal life and enternal dammnation are two differnt things

Eternal Life is what the saints get, eternal dammnation is what the unsaved get. As Jesus said .

Eternal damnation is permanent death. The wicked and unsaved will be destroyed, as the Bible says many, many times, in several different ways.

 

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Perhaps they think God goves them the gift of eternal torments..

you would be the one to think Eternal dammmnation is a gift. it is and has been the contrast ever snice God spoke light into the world

Life/ death
light /darkness
Good/ evil
hope/ dispair
health/sickness

 

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Eternal damnation is permanent death. The wicked and unsaved will be destroyed, as the Bible says many, many times, in several different ways.

So when a person dies to today that are not saved. they are dead , then God is going to raise them up for the Judgement then they are going to die again and be no more ?
right

 

[shrume]

lol my my, none of us are saved yet?

If the Lord tarries, we will all die.

we are saved now

We are saved now in that we have the promise of salvation.
The Bible says we will be saved, we are saved, and we have been saved.

it is faith in Gods word that we have hope of the resurrection .

Amen! And some Christians will live to see Christ's return.

The Spirit lives for ever

That is not true. People do not separate into various parts when they die, with only the body dying, but the soul/spirit continuing to live.

 

[shrume]

you would be the one to think Eternal dammmnation is a gift.

I'm curious as to why you would say that... I assume you're just falling back to insults, as so many here do.

it is and has been the contrast ever snice God spoke light into the world

Life/ death
light /darkness
Good/ evil
hope/ dispair
health/sickness

Yes, the opposite of life is death. Dead people are not alive people.

 

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If the Lord tarries, we will all die.


We are saved now in that we have the promise of salvation.
The Bible says we will be saved, we are saved, and we have been saved.


Amen! And some Christians will live to see Christ's return.


That is not true. People do not separate into various parts when they die, with only the body dying, but the soul/spirit continuing to live.

smh head if I die today I'm going to be with my Lord . you have a bad Gospel understanding

 

[peacefulbeliever]

eternal life and enternal dammnation are two differnt things

Eternal Life is what the saints get, eternal dammnation is what the unsaved get. As Jesus said .

I know the difference in eternal life and eternal damnation . . .

eternal life - living forever . . . eternal damnation - the second death. These two are NOT the same.

Even LIVING eternally damned is eternal life because they are still LIVING. Which is basically saying EVERYONE gets eternal life -

 

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I'm curious as to why you would say that... I assume you're just falling back to insults, as so many here do.


Yes, the opposite of life is death. Dead people are not alive people.

you do not understand the eternal spirit of man that God placed into man.

 

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I know the difference in eternal life and eternal damnation . . .

eternal life - living forever . . . eternal damnation - the second death. These two are NOT the same.

Even LIVING eternally damned is eternal life because they are still LIVING. Which is basically saying EVERYONE gets eternal life -

No it is not . the context of eternal life is with GOD over eternal dammnation without God. anyone who would think that eternal life and eternal dammnation are the same , are missing the Biblical context of hell and Heaven

 

[BenFTW]

Ceasing to exist is pretty much a get out of jail card. People forget that Jesus is the extension of God's mercy to the world, not Him annihilating them. His justice calls for His wrath, yet His love brings mercy. Those outside of Christ are yet condemned, and therefore found in sin.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

you would be the one to think Eternal dammmnation is a gift. it is and has been the contrast ever snice God spoke light into the world

Life/ death
light /darkness
Good/ evil
hope/ dispair
health/sickness

Everything on that list is complete opposites...it's a good list.
sickness is the absence/opposite of health.
despair is the absence of hope.
Evil is the opposite or absence of good.
darkness is the absence of light.
Death is the absence of life.

The first one on your list is the only one that is being messed wih.

 

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Everything on that list is complete opposites...it's a good list.
sickness is the absence/opposite of health.
despair is the absence of hope.
Evil is the opposite or absence of good.
darkness is the absence of light.
Death is the absence of life.

The first one on your list is the only one that is being messed wih.

God/ devil
Judge / the condemmend
created hell/ sent to hell forever

God made salvation through Jesus for eternal life/ though who have not been saved go to the place for eternal dammnation

 

[shrume]

So when a person dies to today that are not saved. they are dead , then God is going to raise them up for the Judgement then they are going to die again and be no more ?
right

Exactly. That will be the second death.

 

[shrume]

smh head if I die today I'm going to be with my Lord . you have a bad Gospel understanding

If you die today you will be dead. And then when Christ returns for the church (1 Cor 15:51ff and 1 Thes 4:13ff), you will be raised from the dead and be immortal.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

smh head if I die today I'm going to be with my Lord . you have a bad Gospel understanding

You will "sleep" until Jesus wakes you up! Did Jesus "pull" Lazarus out of heaven when he brought him back to life, e.g. woke him up? Just so he could die again and go back? Bet Lazarus was a little disappointed to be brought back to life and pulled out of heaven . . . just saying