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Any person, religion, creed, etc that takes away one micro gram of Glory from God in any form or fashion and in turn places that glory on man is Anti-Christ.... I will, I will , I will, I will, I will, I will, I will, I will
All Glory goes to the Father dia JESUS......salvation based upon what we do or don't do places emphasis upon us and our ability....end of story.....!
All Glory goes to the Father dia JESUS......salvation based upon what we do or don't do places emphasis upon us and our ability....end of story.....!
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Blue,
it seems that he has finally found this out in his journey! it's always a plus to hear
someone confess that they have found out a lie and then have found the Truth from it,
a new Truth that only The Holy Spirit can teach them and that means that they are confessing error -
and are growing from it - it truly makes our hearts rejoice...
this has happened to the both of us many times when The Holy Spirit started to open our
old-worldly-distorted-corrupted-hearts that were full of lies and deceit
and began to teach and lead us down Jesus Christ's Holy pathway...
it seems that he has finally found this out in his journey! it's always a plus to hear
someone confess that they have found out a lie and then have found the Truth from it,
a new Truth that only The Holy Spirit can teach them and that means that they are confessing error -
and are growing from it - it truly makes our hearts rejoice...
this has happened to the both of us many times when The Holy Spirit started to open our
old-worldly-distorted-corrupted-hearts that were full of lies and deceit
and began to teach and lead us down Jesus Christ's Holy pathway...
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You quote this scripture:
1 John 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
First of all, how do we know that someone has truly been baptized of the Holy Spirit (knows him)?
The answer is: that person keeps the commandments that Jesus taught us.
So if keeping the commandments is not about salvation, but is about sanctification, can one be save without being sanctified?
1 John 2:4 King James Version (KJV)
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
First of all, how do we know that someone has truly been baptized of the Holy Spirit (knows him)?
The answer is: that person keeps the commandments that Jesus taught us.
So if keeping the commandments is not about salvation, but is about sanctification, can one be save without being sanctified?
Wow, you have just joined decon in throwing under the bus 90% of Christians.
The Catholic church is not true, that means the Eastern churches are not true because they believe almost the same as the Catholics. Most of the protestant churches are not true because they are only micro inches away from what the Catholic church believes.
So there you have it. Practically all Christendom is corrupted and apostatized.
Now we come down to the beliefs of decon and blue. I'm betting you put those 2 together and it would not be long before they could not be in the same room together because of their individual beliefs. Wow, geesh, wow.
The Catholic church is not true, that means the Eastern churches are not true because they believe almost the same as the Catholics. Most of the protestant churches are not true because they are only micro inches away from what the Catholic church believes.
So there you have it. Practically all Christendom is corrupted and apostatized.
Now we come down to the beliefs of decon and blue. I'm betting you put those 2 together and it would not be long before they could not be in the same room together because of their individual beliefs. Wow, geesh, wow.
That list would include Jesus and all of his apostles, so now you have thrown even the founder of the faith and his pillars of the faith that he chose to be in charge when he left under your bus. Good going.
And you do that to keep your agenda alive that the second you believe you are saved for all eternities. Well now you are approaching 99% of all Christians + the founder Jesus Christ, who looked forward to having the power and glory bestowed back upon him from his God and his Father when he finished his business here on earth.
And he wanted glory to go to all those that believed in him.
And you do that to keep your agenda alive that the second you believe you are saved for all eternities. Well now you are approaching 99% of all Christians + the founder Jesus Christ, who looked forward to having the power and glory bestowed back upon him from his God and his Father when he finished his business here on earth.
And he wanted glory to go to all those that believed in him.
We were sanctified "set apart" the moment we were born again. There are two major types of sanctification, positional, "justified in Christ", and our practice; a progressive sanctification that brings us to maturity in Christ.
No you cannot be saved without being sanctified, a work of God. We were saved, washed, sanctified and justified, in the name of Jesus, "by the Spirit of God."
Positional Sanctification: Justified in Christ
1Corinthians6:11
"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
Practical Sanctification: How we live day to day, spiritual growth.
2 Peter 3:18
"But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen."
No you cannot be saved without being sanctified, a work of God. We were saved, washed, sanctified and justified, in the name of Jesus, "by the Spirit of God."
Positional Sanctification: Justified in Christ
1Corinthians6:11
"And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
Practical Sanctification: How we live day to day, spiritual growth.
2 Peter 3:18
"But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen."
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Good Bye Nonsense
"Completely foolish nonsense"
I hope when you get to the gates of heaven and you say proudly that you did nothing but believe in Jesus, I hope you get in? I really hope you get in? You seem like a person that should be in.
Now if 'nothing' is not right, tell me what is necessary besides just believing in Christ?
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Jesus gave the glory that he had to his apostles, and with this glory, they turned around and their works glorified God and Jesus even more.
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Jesus gave the glory that he had to his apostles, and with this glory, they turned around and their works glorified God and Jesus even more.
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Hebrews 10:14-18
14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.
Keeping his commands is not about salvation.
Genuine faith in Jesus is the cause of the effect, not the other way around.
Faith = salvation = sanctfied = to be declared holy set apart to do the following = sanctification.
Ephesians 2:10
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Romans 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
If God has sanctified us, justified us then Romans tells us for those who love him, those called according to his purpose HE predestined to BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF JESUS.
Question if you do not mind.
What is baptised of the Holy Spirit?
I ask that because I've heard it said also "In the Holy Spirit"
It's not something I truly understand.
But also and I may be confusing you with someone else but don't you believe that we must be water baptised to be saved?
If not accept my apology.
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
Notice has perfected forever THOSE WHO ARE BEING SANCTIFIED.
Not those who sanctify themselves.
Obedience will follow genuine faith in Jesus.
It has to, because it is he who works good in us to conform us to the image of his son.
All of us must remember that some grow quicker than others, some bear fruit quicker than others.
Not everyone has the same level of works.
Matthew 13:8
8 But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.
Keeping his commands is not about salvation.
Genuine faith in Jesus is the cause of the effect, not the other way around.
Faith = salvation = sanctfied = to be declared holy set apart to do the following = sanctification.
Ephesians 2:10
10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Romans 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
If God has sanctified us, justified us then Romans tells us for those who love him, those called according to his purpose HE predestined to BE CONFORMED TO THE IMAGE OF JESUS.
Question if you do not mind.
What is baptised of the Holy Spirit?
I ask that because I've heard it said also "In the Holy Spirit"
It's not something I truly understand.
But also and I may be confusing you with someone else but don't you believe that we must be water baptised to be saved?
If not accept my apology.
For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.
Notice has perfected forever THOSE WHO ARE BEING SANCTIFIED.
Not those who sanctify themselves.
Obedience will follow genuine faith in Jesus.
It has to, because it is he who works good in us to conform us to the image of his son.
All of us must remember that some grow quicker than others, some bear fruit quicker than others.
Not everyone has the same level of works.
Matthew 13:8
8 But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
