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So now you throw away John 3:16 and believing is not enough. Is that because the parable of the sower helped us understand that even a believer can lose his salvation?
Now it is all about 'faith'. What is it, belief or faith? And now abide faith, hope, and charity, but the greatest of these is 'charity'.
If 'faith' is the path to EL, what could be more important than that. Well the scriptures tell us that 'charity' is more important.
So if 'charity'is greater than 'faith', define 'charity', thank you.
Now it is all about 'faith'. What is it, belief or faith? And now abide faith, hope, and charity, but the greatest of these is 'charity'.
If 'faith' is the path to EL, what could be more important than that. Well the scriptures tell us that 'charity' is more important.
So if 'charity'is greater than 'faith', define 'charity', thank you.
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You will have to go on ignore if you keep this nonsense up, You keep twisting my words. I am done playing childish games. Maybe you like to play games. But this is a serious matter, and if your just going to take what others say and twist it and make them either not say what they diud say, or say something they never said then you have no moral standing,
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If I am baptised BECAUSE I am saved, I am doing it because I love God, God is the focus
If I am doing it to earn or maintain my salvation, I am doing it to gain somethign for my self. I get the credit, I get the glory, and the reward (in this case salvation) is mine (I have earned it) (God gets no glory)
See the difference?
If I am doing it to earn or maintain my salvation, I am doing it to gain somethign for my self. I get the credit, I get the glory, and the reward (in this case salvation) is mine (I have earned it) (God gets no glory)
See the difference?
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Well, let's see. Jesus is leaving a message for the 'church at Ephesus'. Not the gnostic church in Antioch. So I presume that these 7 churches had some actual believers (saved) in them. If not, then the entire church of the 1st century had no saved people.
The reason you try to say that they were not believers is your stubborn stance on ES. That a believer can not lose their salvation, and this scripture surely shows you that they can, unless they are all non-believers, so you push that agenda on the 7 churches. Not really very smart, just adjust your ES leaning.
I believe in Jesus and I believe it is by his garce that we are saved, that is not false.
The reason you try to say that they were not believers is your stubborn stance on ES. That a believer can not lose their salvation, and this scripture surely shows you that they can, unless they are all non-believers, so you push that agenda on the 7 churches. Not really very smart, just adjust your ES leaning.
I believe in Jesus and I believe it is by his garce that we are saved, that is not false.
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your claims prove you cannot understand parables
you think the demons who believe and tremble are saved too?
anyways
genuine saving faith endures
a non saving faith will not endure
plain and simple
and like the scriptures prove
we (born again believers) are not of them who fall back
but of them that believe unto salvation
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Slander. Please. Have you not pushed in my face John 3:16 1,000 times? I guess you have now ripped that scripture out of the bible.
You whole tone changed on the word 'believe' when justpassinthrough showed you in Luke 8:12-13 that those seeds that fell on stoney ground, believed for a while, but then lost their salvation as they were tempted and persecuted. Now you say that in order to be saved you must repent and have faith. Well, that is what I believe. The difference between belief and faith is actions accompany faith. IOW faith is accompanied by good works.
So at least we are coming closer together.
You whole tone changed on the word 'believe' when justpassinthrough showed you in Luke 8:12-13 that those seeds that fell on stoney ground, believed for a while, but then lost their salvation as they were tempted and persecuted. Now you say that in order to be saved you must repent and have faith. Well, that is what I believe. The difference between belief and faith is actions accompany faith. IOW faith is accompanied by good works.
So at least we are coming closer together.
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bump for ben
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these verses have nothing to do with salvation
other than the last giving assurance to His own
you think the 7 candlesticks represent bundles of salvation that are taken away?
no.
they represent the churches
your false gospel doesnt hold up to any sort of biblical standards
Revelation 2
2 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
To ephesus specifically- an actual church
this is what HE (Jesus) says
to the 7 candlesticks which are the 7 churches
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
He knows this church does well according to their deeds and are able to cast down false doctrine and cannot stand those who push these false doctrine
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
they have done these things in the name of Jesus and do not tire of doing these specific good deeds
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
But God is upset because He sees their zeal... their passion they once had died down despite their works He sees their hearts
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
remember the passion and love they once had for our Father back when they had first been delivered from the world and overcame
and fully do these things you USED to do with passion and love instead of some dutiful half hearted attempt or else God will remove this church - candlestick (which is no longer around) unless they repent of this lack of love
3340. metanoeó ►
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
but you still have done well in hating the deeds of these i also hate from the nicolaitanes <- encouragement to wrap up the warning and reproof
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
To those that have an ear <- His sheep this Spirit reminds us
those of us who have overcome you have my word you will eat of the tree of life <- assurance to His children He just chastened and warned
1 john
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God
BENS ANTI-GRACE GOSPEL - 0
TRUTH - 1
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ben claims these verses are about born again believers losing salvation
ben claims many verses "destroy" eternal security
ben has yet to post one
vvvvv
these verses have nothing to do with salvation
other than the last giving assurance to His own
you think the 7 candlesticks represent bundles of salvation that are taken away?
no.
they represent the churches
your false gospel doesnt hold up to any sort of biblical standards
Revelation 2
2 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
To ephesus specifically- an actual church
this is what HE (Jesus) says
to the 7 candlesticks which are the 7 churches
2 I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:
He knows this church does well according to their deeds and are able to cast down false doctrine and cannot stand those who push these false doctrine
3 And hast borne, and hast patience, and for my name's sake hast laboured, and hast not fainted.
they have done these things in the name of Jesus and do not tire of doing these specific good deeds
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
But God is upset because He sees their zeal... their passion they once had died down despite their works He sees their hearts
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
remember the passion and love they once had for our Father back when they had first been delivered from the world and overcame
and fully do these things you USED to do with passion and love instead of some dutiful half hearted attempt or else God will remove this church - candlestick (which is no longer around) unless they repent of this lack of love
3340. metanoeó ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoeó: to change one's mind or purposeOriginal Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
but you still have done well in hating the deeds of these i also hate from the nicolaitanes <- encouragement to wrap up the warning and reproof
7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
To those that have an ear <- His sheep this Spirit reminds us
those of us who have overcome you have my word you will eat of the tree of life <- assurance to His children He just chastened and warned
1 john
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God
BENS ANTI-GRACE GOSPEL - 0
TRUTH - 1
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ben claims these verses are about born again believers losing salvation
ben claims many verses "destroy" eternal security
ben has yet to post one
Amen E-g, benher was twisting my words from the very first day, non stop even up to today, I feel as you do that I am talking to a child who is playing word games with no ending. He had to ask NoName, what does "Rightly Dividing God's Truth" mean, really?
benhur is already on my ignore list. Nothing but foolish twisting of scripture and a lot of nonsense.
benhur is already on my ignore list. Nothing but foolish twisting of scripture and a lot of nonsense.
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Thats it, I am done,
1. I have not pushed john 3: 16, I think your talking about other people
2. I have told you numerous times now. John 3 talks about true saving faith, Not mere belief (even demons believe)
3. You keep pushing like i have done something, when I have not, and like I said, I am done playing games.
1. I have not pushed john 3: 16, I think your talking about other people
2. I have told you numerous times now. John 3 talks about true saving faith, Not mere belief (even demons believe)
3. You keep pushing like i have done something, when I have not, and like I said, I am done playing games.
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For the self-righteous, I can save myself group;
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Romans10:13
But I, with shouts of grateful praise, will sacrifice to you. What I have vowed I will make good. I will say,
'Salvation comes from the LORD.'"Jonah2:9
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God's one and only Son." John3:18But I, with shouts of grateful praise, will sacrifice to you. What I have vowed I will make good. I will say,
'Salvation comes from the LORD.'"Jonah2:9
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