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There were many disciples of Jesus early on, who followed him and loved him, but when Jesus gave his 'bread of life' sermon, they left him because this was a hard saying that they must eat of his flesh and drink of his blood in order to have eternal life.
Were these disciples given to Jesus by God? Was Judas, the apostle given to Jesus? How many other disciples can we find that gave up on Jesus and left him, right out of the NT?
Yes, God can keep His promises, but men are not puppets of God, and can and did choose to break away from God, which the early history of the church proved to be miserable for the struggling church. Many of these disciples turned away from Peter and the apostles, (who were faithful as long as Jesus was alive) but left the church and started their own churches and confused the early church with much false declarations.
Were these disciples given to Jesus by God? Was Judas, the apostle given to Jesus? How many other disciples can we find that gave up on Jesus and left him, right out of the NT?
Yes, God can keep His promises, but men are not puppets of God, and can and did choose to break away from God, which the early history of the church proved to be miserable for the struggling church. Many of these disciples turned away from Peter and the apostles, (who were faithful as long as Jesus was alive) but left the church and started their own churches and confused the early church with much false declarations.
So let me get this straight you are trusting a site to do research which statistically could be in "error" in order to clarify supposed "errors" in the bible?
Yet somehow the bible translations that you could "read for yourself" you do not trust because you don't trust who wrote them and believe them to have errors because of this?
Yet somehow the bible translations that you could "read for yourself" you do not trust because you don't trust who wrote them and believe them to have errors because of this?
Where did you get this nonsense from??
Questions
Are men fallible or not?
Are men in a group still fallible?
Are men in a group less or more fallible than a single person?
With these questions answered tell me how any translation can be error free. The last question is why translations are done by groups today. To make any error very minor because someone will hopefully correct a bigger error.
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they left because they were looking for a handout, and were not seeking what they needed, and jesus said, they do not see bcause they do not believe.
look at peter who stayed, and why? Peter said, “where are we to go, you have the words of eternal life) he may not of understood it, but he knew christ was the one, and he believd.
look at peter who stayed, and why? Peter said, “where are we to go, you have the words of eternal life) he may not of understood it, but he knew christ was the one, and he believd.
What did Jesus say about Judas?
Disciple or not.
Son of God or not?
A disciple is a follower, one who want to learn and be like teacher.
If God cannot keep his promises is he then not a liar, is not Jesus a liar?
"Yes God can keep his promises". Sorry mate that is so so wrong.
GOD KEEPS HIS PROMISES.
If not then he is not God and he is a liar
Those who left Jesus were not disciples.
They were just looking for food or a Messahia who would bring Rome to its knees.
Just like Judas
Disciple or not.
Son of God or not?
A disciple is a follower, one who want to learn and be like teacher.
If God cannot keep his promises is he then not a liar, is not Jesus a liar?
"Yes God can keep his promises". Sorry mate that is so so wrong.
GOD KEEPS HIS PROMISES.
If not then he is not God and he is a liar
Those who left Jesus were not disciples.
They were just looking for food or a Messahia who would bring Rome to its knees.
Just like Judas
Yes, and there are no such verb that Can adequately interpret this ongoing action.
Another one is Aorist Verb Tense. Once such occasion is John 14:15, in which BOTH OF THE NON-ENGLISH Verb Tenses, occur in one VERSE.
John 14:15 (ASV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.
The ye love is in the Present, implying an ongoing striving to LOVE HIM, with by action, or obedience. So it is how we act differently AFTER we are SAVED.
BUT, the keep is in the Aorist Tense, and not the Present Tense as I thought, and even though they are wrong, they just interpret as English Past Tense. Then here is how the Blue Letter Bible explains it:
The English reader need not concern himself with most of these finer points concerning the aorist tense, since in most cases they cannot be rendered accurately in English translation, being fine points of Greek exegesis only. The common practice of rendering an aorist by a simple English past tense should suffice in most cases.
Now does that not seem insufficient? I am not a Greek Scholar, but I know how to use the Blue Letter Bible. So it would seem, that it is so difficult to correctly translate, that they just gave up and said it probably does not matter any how, and settled on just to translate it as ENGLISH Past Tense. I suspect that is a completed action, that becomes a permanent life style; but I don't really know.
There is yet another third Primary Verb Tense, but I cannot remember it name. The Greeks have 6 Primary Greek Tenses, WHILE WE only have 3 in English. Just for example: benhur - I suspect that he wants to believe HIS KJV is the ONLY inspired Translation in English language. If that is what he believes, HOW do you explain that the English Language, has 3 missing verb tenses, THEREFORE, it has to have some minor errors within the language itself? I have heard that ENGLISH because of the missing Verbs, is a POOR language at best, to try to translate the Bible into.
One of the biggest problems with English is how it developed. Originally there were the Celts. Then in came the Romans bringing Latin. Later the Saxons came bringing old German. And last but not least the Angles came bringing their version of French. This is why we have rules, exceptions to the rules, and exceptions to the exceptions, ad nauseum.
I trust the word of God because it says it is the word of God. I cannot speak Hebrew, Arabic, nor any other language of the time of its conception. I trust God and His Holy Spirit to lead me in reading the Word of God and to discern what it says to me.
People trying to analyze the Word of God to the inth degree and to push the idea that one must understand the above dialect in order to "understand" the Word of God really bug me sometimes.
People trying to analyze the Word of God to the inth degree and to push the idea that one must understand the above dialect in order to "understand" the Word of God really bug me sometimes.
if one can judge on the basis of works, then only if we have perfect knowledge & consider all time, past, present and future.
a person may have few works, and they may be worked at a relatively slow rate. moreover, Jesus Himself teaches that we should do works in secret, in the case of giving, such that our right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. we would have to know all things that God accepts as good works, over all possible opportunities for all such works to come to fruition, including all things done in secret, and we would have to establish that there is not even one single instance possible. we'd have to know all things at all times about a person, even things they never openly express.
who is eternal & omniscient?
that's who i figure can genuinely "suppose" what you suggest supposing.
a person may have few works, and they may be worked at a relatively slow rate. moreover, Jesus Himself teaches that we should do works in secret, in the case of giving, such that our right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. we would have to know all things that God accepts as good works, over all possible opportunities for all such works to come to fruition, including all things done in secret, and we would have to establish that there is not even one single instance possible. we'd have to know all things at all times about a person, even things they never openly express.
who is eternal & omniscient?
that's who i figure can genuinely "suppose" what you suggest supposing.
If Christians like me never mentioned the need for good works, you would never use the words, never. You are a gracer that believes that Jesus has done everything necessary for salvation. The end. No use for the thought of good works.
If is only because we bring up the idea of good works that you have to somehow come to grips with how does good works work into the whole equation. So you come up with out of love of God you do good works. But then you qualify that by saying, but good works does not save but only accompanies faith. Faith is the most important thing to remember, good works is almost a hiss and a by-word.
If is only because we bring up the idea of good works that you have to somehow come to grips with how does good works work into the whole equation. So you come up with out of love of God you do good works. But then you qualify that by saying, but good works does not save but only accompanies faith. Faith is the most important thing to remember, good works is almost a hiss and a by-word.
Your analysis of my analysis isn't correct.... just like when you were wrong when you thought born of flesh = water baptism.....( not childbirth which is actually what being born of flesh means)
My analysis of the parable of the sower is as sound as yours.