Not By Works
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OK, if we can't believe the bible then that doesn't leave much to believe in does it? If what you say is true then I'm sure that if you tried real hard you could find an error or discrepancy in any version or translation. How do you really know for sure that if there was an error that the scribe that made the so-called error was not directed by the Holy Spirit to do so.
God absolutely guided the process of all translations and major versions of the bible, otherwise it would not be the Word of God. Even if normal human error did happen it only happened because God allowed it to happen, otherwise there would be nothing to debate, discuss, or debase in these types of threads or other similar conversations.
I rejected your version. I go with what the Bible plainly states. The whole Bible on a given topic. I use Berkhofs Systematic Theology to research all verses on a topic. How do you research all verses on a topic? It is very insulting to accuse me of adhering to Catholic dogma. Why are you so hate filled? This is a Christian site and you ignore why the early church elders created first the Roman Creed in the 200s and updated it in 390 to the Apostles Creed. Why are you so egotistical to disregard the elders reasons for creating it back then and the need for it now. It is a statement of basic Christian doctrine. I have asked before for you to tell what errors it contains but you repeatedly ignore that question.
History
In the early church there were heresies and legitimate differences of opinion. The Roman Creed of the 200s was created and later updated to the Apostles Creed. It defined non heretical doctrine and allowed differences of opinion outside of what it stated.
With this being the reason for it either explain its errors or shut up about it!! Nothing is wrong with a factual statement of doctrine unless it contains errors. What are the errors?
History
In the early church there were heresies and legitimate differences of opinion. The Roman Creed of the 200s was created and later updated to the Apostles Creed. It defined non heretical doctrine and allowed differences of opinion outside of what it stated.
With this being the reason for it either explain its errors or shut up about it!! Nothing is wrong with a factual statement of doctrine unless it contains errors. What are the errors?
That is why I use biblegateway.com. It allows looking up a book and chapter with a specific translation. Then you can change translations and see the differences between them. By comparing different translations the small errors are easily rejected. I normally use NIV and AMPC. NIV is a good modern translation and AMPC gives more detail by giving all translations of the original language word. Here is John 3:16 in 4 translations. Note the AMPC version with more information.
John 3:16 KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 NIV
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 ESV
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3 AMPC Amplified Classic
16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
John 3:16 KJV
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 NIV
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:16 ESV
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 3 AMPC Amplified Classic
16 For God so greatly loved and dearly prized the world that He [even] gave up His only begotten (unique) Son, so that whoever believes in (trusts in, clings to, relies on) Him shall not perish (come to destruction, be lost) but have eternal (everlasting) life.
J
So let me get this straight you are trusting a site to do research which statistically could be in "error" in order to clarify supposed "errors" in the bible?
Yet somehow the bible translations that you could "read for yourself" you do not trust because you don't trust who wrote them and believe them to have errors because of this?
Yet somehow the bible translations that you could "read for yourself" you do not trust because you don't trust who wrote them and believe them to have errors because of this?
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J
You just stated the errors multiple times in your post,like adhering "plainly" to scripture and doctrine,trusting a theology system instead of trusting God's word through reading it without a window in the way,and trusting in a creed basically that was made in an attempt to bring together people universally to one church and belief system.(similar to the tower of Babel)
Blind misplaced faith. Most translations are done by teams to reduce errors. But they are human and make mistakes. That is the great thing about biblegateway.com, select a translation and click and up pops that translation for book and chapter. You can even select foreign languages so it works worldwide. Have a browser on the internet and you have the Bible at your fingertips. Great for smart phones.
All it means is that we will not be able to rely on our works to get to heaven.. Is it a biblical contradiction than to say Faith without works is dead? Its very simple. Matthew 25 explains what happens when we don't take care of those in need....No need to complicate God's word to create something out of nothing... I was shown today what the entirety of God's Word is. Its like without all the bricks, there is no temple. We seek to find scripture by Chapter and verse to create an understanding for ourselves, but the Word is not up for personal interpretation. Think of one verse being one brick of the temple. You have to have all the bricks. We are the entirety of the Word. We should seek to help others, love without condition, not judge ones salvation, but judge who they claim by their fruits. Works is something that belongs to the flow of the Spirit, and the path created by Christ to righteousness. When we try and take these discussions over the importance of doing the work of the Father, we are not seeing the entire Gospel, but are trying to create doctrine through carnal understanding. Quit complicating the Word. What you read, is what is meant. Don't try yourselves to be more approved than another by remembrance of scripture....What do you gain by confusing something you already to be too confusing to understand. Its not really. Its so simple even a fool can not error in it. All we do when we discuss these topics, and put our opinion to it, is confusing the lost and the new. We should be happy and glad we have the word. It's very troubling to see what has become of the precious Word of God.
