Not By Works

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benhur said:
Why must you endure to the end if your eternal life is guarenteed now and forever?
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The word guaranteed never left my mouth;

All believers will stand at the Bema Seat of Jesus Christ, for rewards not punishment. And yes eternal life is for "those who believe." 1John5:13. Frankly your question is faulty and you are continually putting words in my mouth, like, "guaranteed", I never once used the word, "guaranteed",
and Jesus "gives us", eternal life, very basic Sunday School Lessons.

True Gospel

John10:28
28) I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;
 
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Originally Posted by benhur Why must you endure to the end if your eternal life is guaranteed now and forever?

eternally-gratefull said:
We don't. Those who are alive in tribulation are encouraged to and if they do, They will be saved when christ returns (not physically die) to set up his kingdom.
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The verse that benhur referred to applies to all believers. "For we are saved if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end." Saving is an ongoing verb: past, present and future, no one can argue: was done at the cross and applies to those who believed before and after the cross and in the future, even to those who believed without knowing the law of God. You can check this out in Romains 2:14. We are secure as we continue in the Love of God. "And we know that all things work for good to them that Love the Lord." "Receiving the end of your faith, the salvation of your soul." tell me, is your soul an eternal being at this time? Don't answer it's a tricked question, how can eternal live in time, well for God it was possible once, but not again. "From now on we no longer know any man after the flesh, If we have known Jesus after the flesh, from now on we no longer know Him after the flesh." We no longer know any man after the flesh (accomplishments, works of the flesh) not because we have attained, but because we forget what lies behind to go on. "Neither do I consider myself to have attained, but One thing, forgetting what lies behind I press on to lay hold of the things of God." "That I may know Him, in the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformed to His death, if by any means I might attain to the resurrection of the dead." "I put under my body and bring it into subjection, lest after I have preached to others, I myself be a castaway." Paul near the end of His Life, "I have fought a good fight, I have kept the faith, I have finished my course; from now on there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness and not for me only but for all who Love His appearing." Those who call Him Lord and love sin will not Love His appearing, the Lord coming as a thief, would disrupt their love of pleasure; in a time of trouble such as never was and shall never be again. 34 years ago the Lord told me: Behold I am with you in a time of trouble such as never was and shall never be again.
 
Saved by, "Grace Alone", the light shines on our Savior Jesus Christ.

Saved by "Grace plus plentiful works", the spotlight is on you.

There is no room for boasting in works,

only praise and adoration in our Savior and King of Kings.

[video=youtube;YuMh_ept-Js]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuMh_ept-Js[/video]
 
Shamah said:
Is this true DC?

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 2:12, “For as many as have sinned without the Law, will also perish without the Law, and as many as have sinned in the Law, will be judged by the Law.”[/FONT]
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I have said at least 500 times in this thread that the law condemns ALL AS GUILTY.......it is our schoolmaster, it points us to the only cure....the righteousness of Christ imputed by faith WITHOUT the deeds/works of the law.....

The law is WEAK THRU THE FLESH
No one Keeps the law
No one is made righteous by the law
 
Budman said:
Can you give a single example from Scripture where a person lost their salvation?
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Not one to be found when scripture, context, verb tense etc. is taken into accoint.....as a matter of fact, quite the opposite.....eternal, everlasting salvation with a present continuing result from a past COMPLETED ACTION.
 
VCO said:
You refuse to learn, don't you?


Romans 3:27 (NCV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] So do we have a reason to brag about ourselves? No!

And why not? It is the way of faith that stops all bragging, not the way of trying to obey the law.



Titus 3:4-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But when the goodness of God and His love for mankind appeared,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.



Ephesians 2:8-10 (NCV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] I mean that you have been saved by grace through believing. You did not save yourselves; it was a gift from God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] It was not the result of your own efforts, so you cannot brag about it.

{So that after HE SAVED US, [FONT=&quot]✞[/FONT], the fruit we produce will be this ☟ }
[SUP]10 [/SUP] God has made us what we are. In Christ Jesus, God made us to do good works, which God planned in advance for us to live our lives doing.


IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION, SO STOP BRAGGING ABOUT IT. IT IS JESUS CHRIST IN US CARRYING OUT THE FATHERS PLAN. DO YOU REALIZE THAT? Or are you, Instead of SITTING IN AWE of what HE is doing in your life, you are apparently sitting bragging that GOD HAS TO SAVE ME, because LOOK WHAT I DID.


Galatians 2:20 (HCSB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.


Does that verse mean something to you?

Or are you too busy trying to EARN PART OF YOUR SALVATION?
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False religion tends to do that.......Jesus described it accurately.....B L O T B <----6 LETTERS absolute truth!
 
stillness said:
Originally Posted by benhur Why must you endure to the end if your eternal life is guaranteed now and forever?


The verse that benhur referred to applies to all believers. "For we are saved if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end." Saving is an ongoing verb: past, present and future, no one can argue: was done at the cross and applies to those who believed before and after the cross and in the future, even to those who believed without knowing the law of God. You can check this out in Romains 2:14. We are secure as we continue in the Love of God. "And we know that all things work for good to them that Love the Lord." "Receiving the end of your faith, the salvation of your soul." tell me, is your soul an eternal being at this time? Don't answer it's a tricked question, how can eternal live in time, well for God it was possible once, but not again. "From now on we no longer know any man after the flesh, If we have known Jesus after the flesh, from now on we no longer know Him after the flesh." We no longer know any man after the flesh (accomplishments, works of the flesh) not because we have attained, but because we forget what lies behind to go on. "Neither do I consider myself to have attained, but One thing, forgetting what lies behind I press on to lay hold of the things of God." "That I may know Him, in the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformed to His death, if by any means I might attain to the resurrection of the dead." "I put under my body and bring it into subjection, lest after I have preached to others, I myself be a castaway." Paul near the end of His Life, "I have fought a good fight, I have kept the faith, I have finished my course; from now on there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness and not for me only but for all who Love His appearing." Those who call Him Lord and love sin will not Love His appearing, the Lord coming as a thief, would disrupt their love of pleasure; in a time of trouble such as never was and shall never be again. 34 years ago the Lord told me: Behold I am with you in a time of trouble such as never was and shall never be again.
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No it does not, the verse ben hur reffered to speak of the great tribulation period, where jesus returns, because if he did not, all flesh will die, but he will return for the sake of the elect, wheber endures to the end (of tribulation)will be saved
 
benhur said:
According to your calculations about how to be saved, no.

According to my calculations about how to be saved, yes. If you commit to Christ in 2018, then reject Christ in 2025, he will reject you and your salvation is lost. My calculation includes a provision for enduring to the end. Yours does not.
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Actually your provision throws Christ, his words and promises under the bus while devaluing the work of Christ to cheap products made in some sweat shop in the 1970's

Jesus is the beginner, finisher of our faith and will complete that good work of faith he BEGAN in all of those saved. Your plan elevates yourself over Christ......

WE are kept by the power of God....your god must be weak...he needs your assistance.....
 
AntieAnt, I decided to repost what you shared that complemented my post as it helps to understand salvation is ongoing and that we are secure as we continue in Him. I will also include this in my study as it's obviously an area of conflict.

The meaning of not of works: not taking things in our hands again, not taking our life back and trying to please God in our own way. We've all been there, it's what sin is about, the works of the flesh are about me: what's in it for me. "He that separates himself argues and mixes up all sound wisdom." "Only by pride comes contentions," divisions are caused by desire to be in charge, leaders are even more vulnerable, but we all battle to walk by "Faith that works by Love," "The Love of God poured in our hearts by the Holy Spirit." We have no claim on the work and good thing for us: if we had claims we would have to defend our clans and become cults: thinking we are right and others wrong. When this is the case we are divided: the Corinthians had gifts of the Spirit but were divided and unable to receive more than the milk of the word: gifts of the Spirit are not a mark of maturity and can even make us conceited, thinking we are better than others, it happened to me. God is patient with us, for the fruit of the Spirit to ripen in us.
Key Habits to change: If you ask an athlete what’s going on in his mind before competition? He’s not really thinking about anything, just following training: habits have taken over. Key habits put actions of the body on autopilot, that matters if you’re to be without stress to compete for the prize. The stretches and warm-up, like planned, what most people view as tedious is vital for the race to be a natural extension of the discipline. Sounds like a lot of work, but key habits makes other good habits easy; causing positive effects to spill over; starting a chain reaction, over time we change. Some days we don’t stick with the plan, but maintaining the key habit we will be lead by the Spirit to changes without much effort. Your key habit is not the act that causes the chain reaction, but rather the intent behind the act: to see from God's perspective and be empowered. For example, a habit of morning and or evening, to kneel before the Lord and bow to acknowledge His presence with thanksgiving, saying the Lord's prayer for His disciples. An act of a minute, while not enough in itself to live in the presence of God is the beginning of change, "Forgetting what lies behind and go on to know the Lord: meditating on the word in prayer reduces anxiety, improves emotional stability, the peace of mind increases confidence in God; something most find difficult, to remain in His presence through the day, to bring our thoughts in obedience of Christ. Succeed developing a key habit and others will follow, otherwise new habits are hard to stick. There will be frustrated times of lack of progress, where we need reminder: It's not about progress but perseverance, not about being in control but having self control by the Spirit. "Seek first the kingdom of God and all these things shall be added to you." The key habit helps develop habitual presence of God. "I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
Practicing good habits like an athlete, not my will, emotions, intellect (psychological, philosophical, instinctive) from carnal, mindset, but God's will by the Holy Spirit's leading in our heart. The more familiar we become with the Lord working in our hearts, the more our eyes stay focused on Him, and the easier it is to follow Him with our whole heart.
Not so much disciplining the body, as to be disciplined by the Spirit. "Physical fitness profits little but godliness profits for all things." Loosing ourselves in the Love of God: remaining focused on Him. There's no arguments between work and rest as it's from a place of rest in Him; then we all speak the same language of Love. But just as an eagle exert strength to reach the updraft to soar effortlessly, there is working out the renewing of our mind to soar with God by His Spirit. Neither are we always soaring, even when we know the way. "They that wait on the Lord shall renew strength, they shall mount up with wings as eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint." Yet we know it's God at work in us and all we have is of Him. We are empowered by His Spirit to enter into the Spirit.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
James used the term "No works"

if a person had one work, you could not say they had no works, You would have to say they had a work. The negative "No" is what gives it away.

What does it profit a person if they CLAIM to have faith but has zero zip nada works.

The context is the claimed faith, not the works anyway. Is the faith real, If it is, It will show at least one work. if it has zero zip nada (they are hearers not doers) ,can that faith save them?
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And I will remind everyone that those who have believed biblically into Christ HAVE ALREADY done the work of the Heavenly Father!
 
eternally-gratefull said:
We don't

Those who are alive in tribulation are encouraged to and if they do, They will be saved when christ returns (not physically die) to set up his kingdom.
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On a side note.....kinda lends strength to a post great trib ingathering and Christ stepping in for the sake of the elect so there will be "those which are alive and remain and some flesh left alive" ;)
 
dcontroversal said:
On a side note.....kinda lends strength to a post great trib ingathering and Christ stepping in for the sake of the elect so there will be "those which are alive and remain and some flesh left alive" ;)
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Lol, on another side not, if post trib is true everyone alive would be ressurected, and there would be no one left alive on earth ;)

love ya bro!
 
eternally-gratefull said:
James used the term "No works"

if a person had one work, you could not say they had no works, You would have to say they had a work. The negative "No" is what gives it away.

What does it profit a person if they CLAIM to have faith but has zero zip nada works.

The context is the claimed faith, not the works anyway. Is the faith real, If it is, It will show at least one work. if it has zero zip nada (they are hearers not doers) ,can that faith save them?
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So if you had 1 good work 20 years ago, that is enough to meet the requirements to get past the term "no works", and your faith is revealed as vibrant and alive, and you are saved?
 
benhur said:
So if you had 1 good work 20 years ago, that is enough to meet the requirements to get past the term "no works", and your faith is revealed as vibrant and alive, and you are saved?
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James said if i had no works, if i had 1 work 20years ago does not matter, he said no works.

And how would you know if i had one work 20 years ago are you God? Who are you to judge?
 
dcontroversal said:
Come on you know better than that....Zechariah...the remnant of Jews for one.....nice try though hahahha
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The bible says when he returns as a thief, whoever is alive will be caught up to te lord.

the bi le also says many people from many nations will serve christ in the mellenial rein
 
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