GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[Dan_473]

Suggest Christians look to Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith (Heb 12:2).

Jesus is the Word made flesh who said, "Let there be light," and there was light.

Jesus is the I AM who spoke to Moses from the Burning Bush.

Jesus is the Good Shepherd of King David.

Jesus is the Light of the World.

Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth and the Life:

For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Rom 10:13)

amen, look to Jesus!

then, i think it's a good idea to find a local fellowship so we can join with other believers who are doing that too!

 

[Studyman]

right, there's only one church

do you meet regularly with other believers in a particular physical location?

I don't go to the Catholic Church because I don't believe in their religions, or those who broke off her and kept most of her doctrines. But I do not forsake the assembly of Believers.

If I am studying the Word's of the Congregation of the Lord, like Isaiah and Paul, is this not fellowship with believers?

 

[Dan_473]

I don't go to the Catholic Church because I don't believe in their religions, or those who broke off her and kept most of her doctrines. But I do not forsake the assembly of Believers.

If I am studying the Word's of the Congregation of the Lord, like Isaiah and Paul, is this not fellowship with believers?

no, studying the Word's of the Congregation of the Lord is not a local, physical fellowship.



Hebrews 10: 24. Let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good works, 25. not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another; and so much the more, as you see the Day approaching.



these things

encouraging one another to love and good works, exhorting one another,

are done with other believers, done in a physical place

i don't think it can be done with Isaiah and Paul

 

[Studyman]

no, studying the Word's of the Congregation of the Lord is not a local, physical fellowship.



Hebrews 10: 24. Let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good works, 25. not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another; and so much the more, as you see the Day approaching.



these things

encouraging one another to love and good works, exhorting one another,

are done with other believers, done in a physical place

i don't think it can be done with Isaiah and Paul

If I learn religious traditions which cause me to transgress the commandments of God, Like the Pharisees did, how is sharing and promoting these ideas encouraging or exhorting one another?

How did Jesus communicate with a religion who claimed the God of Abraham as their God but transgressed God's Commandments by their own man made traditions, and who taught for doctrines the commandments of Men?? I don't read where Jesus "fellowshipped" with them much.

Wouldn't it be better for the brethren if a man learns what the Congregation of the Lord teaches before they go preaching and exhorting the Brethren?

 

[PS]

I don't go to the Catholic Church because I don't believe in their religions, or those who broke off her and kept most of her doctrines. But I do not forsake the assembly of Believers.

If I am studying the Word's of the Congregation of the Lord, like Isaiah and Paul, is this not fellowship with believers?

There are the non-conformist churches like the Methodists, Baptists and Pentecostal churches, and others, who broke away from the Church of England and the Catholics for the same reason as you. They all keep to the fundamental truths of the New Testament and I am sure if you went there with an open heart, you would enjoy fellow-shipping with them. Although probably not, I can imagine you nit-picking and telling them they have it all wrong. Remember what the mother said about the soldier who was out of step with everyone else? She was wrong and so was her son, everyone else had it right. Think on.

 

[Dan_473]

If I learn religious traditions which cause me to transgress the commandments of God, Like the Pharisees did, how is sharing and promoting these ideas encouraging or exhorting one another?

How did Jesus communicate with a religion who claimed the God of Abraham as their God but transgressed God's Commandments by their own man made traditions, and who taught for doctrines the commandments of Men?? I don't read where Jesus "fellowshipped" with them much.

Wouldn't it be better for the brethren if a man learns what the Congregation of the Lord teaches before they go preaching and exhorting the Brethren?

If I learn religious traditions which cause me to transgress the commandments of God..."

you cannot find even one or two people in your area who believe in a way that is acceptable to you?

the Corinthians had serious problems going on there, yet Paul met with them when he was in town

Jesus and Paul attended synagogues, sometimes with demon possessed people

they took along disciples and traveling companions

 

[Dan_473]

There are the non-conformist churches like the Methodists, Baptists and Pentecostal churches, and others, who broke away from the Church of England and the Catholics for the same reason as you. They all keep to the fundamental truths of the New Testament and I am sure if you went there with an open heart, you would enjoy fellow-shipping with them. Although probably not, I can imagine you nit-picking and telling them they have it all wrong. Remember what the mother said about the soldier who was out of step with everyone else? She was wrong and so was her son, everyone else had it right. Think on.

i remember being in matching band and actually having that experience

i noticed that this person was out of step
then that person
then that entire row over there

then the entire band!

for a brief moment i actually had that thought
everyone was out of step except me

 

[stillness]

"I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world."
This implies that after Jesus left the world, night came and no man can work. Actually relates the meaning of the fig tree being cursed, "No fruit grow on you from now on for ever." No one justified by the law. outch

 

[Shamah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malachi 3:14-18, “You have said, ‘It is worthless to serve Yah. And what did we gain when we guarded His Charge, and when we walked as mourners before [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts? And now we are calling the proud blessed – not only are the doers of wrongness built up, but they also try Yah and escape. Then shall those who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]speak to one another, and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]listens and hears, and a book of remembrance be written before Him, of those who fear [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], and those who think upon His Name. And they shall be Mine,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts, “on the day that I prepare a treasured possession. And I shall spare them as a man spares his own son who serves him. Then you shall again see the difference between the righteous and the wrong, between one who serves Yah and one who does not serve Him."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiel 34:1-31, "34:1, "And the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]came to me, saying,"34:2, "“Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Yisra’ĕl, prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus said the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]to the shepherds, “Woe to the shepherdsa of Yisra’ĕl who have been feeding themselves! Should not the shepherds feed the flock? Footnote: aSee footnote at Jer 10:21."34:3, "“You eat the fat and you put on the wool. You slaughter the fatlings – you do not feed the flock."34:4, "“You have not strengthened the weak, nor have you healed the sick, nor bound up the broken, nor brought back the straying, nor sought what was lost; but you have ruled them with might and harshness."34:5, "“And they were scattered because there was no shepherd. And they became food for all the beasts of the field when they were scattered."34:6, "“My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and on every high hill. And My sheep were scattered over all the face of the earth, and no one was seeking or searching for them.”"34:7, "Therefore, you shepherds, hear the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]:"34:8, "“As I live,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “because My flock became a prey, and My flock became food for every beast of the field, from not having a shepherd, and My shepherds did not search for My flock, but the shepherds fed themselves and did not feed My flock,”"34:9, "therefore, O shepherds, hear the word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]!"34:10, "Thus said the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “See, I am against the shepherds, and shall require My flock at their hand, and shall make them cease feeding the sheep, and the shepherds shall feed themselves no more. And I shall deliver My flock from their mouths, and they shall no longer be food for them.”"34:11, "For thus said the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “See, I Myself shall search for My sheep and seek them out."34:12, "“As a shepherd seeks out his flock on the day he is among his scattered sheep, so I shall seek out My sheep and deliver them from all the places where they were scattered in a day of cloud and thick darkness."34:13, "“And I shall bring them out from the peoples and gather them from the lands, and shall bring them to their own land. And I shall feed them on the mountains of Yisra’ĕl, in the valleys, and in all the dwellings of the land."34:14, "“In good pasture I shall feed them, and their fold shall be on the high mountains of Yisra’ĕl. They shall lie there in a good fold and feed in rich pasture on the mountains of Yisra’ĕl."34:15, "“I shall feed My flock and make them lie down,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]."34:16, "“I shall seek out the lost and bring back the strayed. And I shall bind up the broken and strengthen what was sick, but the fat and the strong I shall destroy. I shall feed them with right-ruling.”"34:17, "And as for you, O My flock, thus said the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “See, I am judging between sheep and sheep, between rams and goats."34:18, "“Is it not enough for you to have eaten up the good pasture, and the rest of your pasture you trample with your feet. Or that you should drink of the clear waters, and the rest you muddy with your feet?"34:19, "“And as for My flock, they eat what you have trampled with your feet, and they drink what you have muddied with your feet.”"34:20, "Therefore thus said the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]to them, “See, I Myself shall judge between fat and lean sheep."34:21, "“Because you have pushed with flank and shoulder, and thrust at all the weak ones with your horns, and scattered them abroad,"34:22, "therefore I shall save My flock, and let them no longer be a prey. And I shall judge between sheep and sheep."34:23, "“And I shall raise up over them one shepherd, My servant Dawiḏ, and he shall feed them. He shall feed them and be their shepherd."34:24, "“And I, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], shall be their Strength, and My servant Dawiḏ a prince in their midst. I, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], have spoken."34:25, "“And I shall make a covenant of peace with them, and make evil beasts cease from the land. And they shall dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the forest."34:26, "“And I shall make them and the places all around My hill a blessing, and shall cause showers to come down in their season – showers of blessing they are."34:27, "“And the trees of the field shall yield their fruit and the earth yield her increase, and they shall be safe in their land. And they shall know that I am [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], when I have broken the bars of their yoke. And I shall deliver them from the hand of those who enslaved them,"34:28, "and they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, and the beast of the earth shall not devour them. And they shall dwell safely, with no one to make them afraid."34:29, "“And I shall raise up for them a planting place of name, and they shall no longer be consumed by hunger in the land, nor bear the shame of the nations any more."34:30, "“And they shall know that I, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]their Strength, am with them, and that they, the house of Yisra’ĕl, are My people,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].’ ”"34:31, "“And you, My flock, the flock of My pasture, are men, and I am your Strength,” declares the Master [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif].”[/FONT]

 

[beta]

no, studying the Word's of the Congregation of the Lord is not a local, physical fellowship.

Hebrews 10: 24. Let us consider how to provoke one another to love and good works, 25. not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another; and so much the more, as you see the Day approaching.
these things

encouraging one another to love and good works, exhorting one another,

are done with other believers, done in a physical place

i don't think it can be done with Isaiah and Paul

Can it be done with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ ? 1Joh 1v3.

 

[Dan_473]

Can it be done with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ ? 1Joh 1v3.

we do have fellowship with the Father and the Son

but this
encouraging one another to love and good works, exhorting one another

takes place in a physical place
with other humans



Acts 2: 1. And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord
in one place.

 

[beta]

If I learn religious traditions which cause me to transgress the commandments of God..."

you cannot find even one or two people in your area who believe in a way that is acceptable to you?

the Corinthians had serious problems going on there, yet Paul met with them when he was in town

Jesus and Paul attended synagogues, sometimes with demon possessed people

they took along disciples and traveling companions

Jesus and Paul were Teachers sent to CONVERT people from their false beliefs...of course they spent time with them...but it could not have been called 'fellowship'. We are not sent to perform such a mission...we just argue our opinions.

 

[gb9]

Jesus and Paul were Teachers sent to CONVERT people from their false beliefs...of course they spent time with them...but it could not have been called 'fellowship'. We are not sent to perform such a mission...we just argue our opinions.

speaking of opinions, you never answered my question from yesterday, in another thread. are Paul's letters authoritative Scripture or not?

 

[beta]

we do have fellowship with the Father and the Son

but this
encouraging one another to love and good works, exhorting one another

takes place in a physical place
with other humans



Acts 2: 1. And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord
in one place.

The time is coming..has come when we no longer need to worship in a certain place as for inst a church, town,city...but IN SPIRIT wherever we are Joh 4v21-24.

 

[beta]

speaking of opinions, you never answered my question from yesterday, in another thread. are Paul's letters authoritative Scripture or not?

On the whole I love Paul and have no argument with him..because he follows Christ. But he is not always CLEAR in which law he is referring to. If you have a particular point please give scriptures. He is obviously not the one who is wrong, just difficult to understand.

 

[Dan_473]

Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him

hi Shamah!

great post!


possibly related:

All the rivers flow to the sea,
****but the sea never becomes full.
8*Everything is boring,
****so boring that you don’t even want to talk about it.
Words come again and again to our ears,
****but we never hear enough,
****nor can we ever really see all we want to see.
9*All things continue the way they have been since the beginning.
****What has happened will happen again;
****there is nothing new here on earth.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes1&version=NCV

 

[gb9]

On the whole I love Paul and have no argument with him..because he follows Christ. But he is not always CLEAR in which law he is referring to. If you have a particular point please give scriptures. He is obviously not the one who is wrong, just difficult to understand.

thank you for your honesty . this is what many law-lovers think, but they won't say it.

 

[graceNpeace]

On the whole I love Paul and have no argument with him..because he follows Christ. But he is not always CLEAR in which law he is referring to. If you have a particular point please give scriptures. He is obviously not the one who is wrong, just difficult to understand.

This old chestnut - unadulterated rubbish!

There is nothing hard to understand about Paul and what he wrote!
Accepting what he wrote - now that is a whole different ballgame...

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus and Paul were Teachers sent to CONVERT people from their false beliefs...of course they spent time with them...but it could not have been called 'fellowship'. We are not sent to perform such a mission...we just argue our opinions.

Jesus never went to synagogue with any of his friends our disciples?

when he went he told them to wait outside?

That same night the believers sent Paul and Silas to Berea where they went to the synagogue.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts17&version=NCV

Paul and Silas were very careful not to have any companionship with each other during, say, the prayer time?


I would find those things hard to believe

 

[Dan_473]

beta,

are you able to find at least one or two people in your area who believe in a way that is acceptable to you?