GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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Jackson123

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Not true, all that deserve it will be repaid for their crimes against humans and Yah.

Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of יהוה. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”

To say I need to do something that is not my role or not yet my role is falsehood.

It is not my role to carry out Law only for a High Priest, Judge, King or woman.

This is not picking and choosing this is proper acclication.
you always forget that under OT law, God command congregation to kill the sabbath violator.


Numbers 15 32 And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.33 And they that found him gathering sticks brought him unto Moses and Aaron, and unto all the congregation.
34 And they put him in ward, because it was not declared what should be done to him.
35 And the Lord said unto Moses, The man shall be surely put to death: all the congregation shall stone him with stones without the camp.
 

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the ones that "don't have rest day or night" are "the ones worshiping the beast and his image" and 'anyone taking the mark of his name'


that's what scripture says.



i never said you can worship both the Lord and the beast; there was no need for you to type 22 paragraphs about that.
I didnt mean to impoly that you said can worship both I just wanted to make a statement.
 

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which is why you should be more concerned about the rfid microchip than who eats what and who keeps what day.

people are being chipped everyday, and yet you want to push the Law of Moses. wow.
I do not beleive the rfid chip is the actual mark, but rather the way of enforcement though political and economic enforcement, I have learned more since this time but I wrote this some years ago:

The mark of Yah is clearly stated in Scripture:

Exodus 13:9, "And it shall be as a *sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth; for with a strong hand Yahweh has brought you out of Egypt."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

and Paul supports this verse:

2 Timothy 2:19, "Nevertheless, the Foundation of Yahweh stands sure, having this seal*: Yahweh knows those who are His, because everyone who reverences the Name of Yahweh departs from iniquity." (iniquity is Lawlessness)

*seal is 4973. sphragisStrong's Concordance

sphragis: a seal, a signet
Original Word: σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: sphragis
Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-ece')
Short Definition: a signet-ring, impression of a seal, the proof
Definition: a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.

again

Exodus 13:9, "...sign to you upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes, that Yahweh's Law shall be in your mouth..."

upon your hand and as a memorial between your eyes

Hand and head...

The beast has a counter mark: Also in the hand and head

Revelation 14:9-11, "And the third malak followed them, saying with a loud voice: If any man worships the beast and his likeness, and receives his mark in his forehead or upon his hand, The same will drink of the wine of the wrath of Yahweh...........And they have no rest night and day, who worship the beast and his likeness..."

For we can see the end time anti-Messiah will be "the Lawless one"

2 Thess 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity (secret initiation of lawlessness*) is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, Yahweh will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

*What is the "mystery of iniquity" ?

3466 mustérion
mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine
Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery
Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary;

458 anomia
anomia: lawlessness
Short Definition:lawlessness, iniquity
Definition
:lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

This "sign" is your actions (right hand) which represents strength, what you do with your ability/life and memorial between your eyes Exodus 13:9, that explains the mark of Yahweh says: "memorial between your eyes," what do we remember with that is between our eyes? Our brain, or our thoughts and beliefs.


There is no Scripture that fully explains how, but I have a possible example.

Certainly the world will be in a state of chaos and buying and selling could be done in a way that one would have to transgress against Yahweh to buy ans sell, as buying and selling one the day He says is His mark:

(and you will see this mark is for Hebrew and gentile alike);

Ezekiel 20:12, "Moreover, I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a *sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies them."

*Sign is Word #226, Hebrew Dictionary, Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.

Exodus 31:13-17, "Speak also to the children of Israyl, saying; Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for they are a *sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am Yahweh Who sanctifies you, and makes you holy"....16-17, "Therefore the children of Israyl shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the children of Israyl forever, for in six days Yahweh made the heavens and the earth, and on the Seventh Day He rested and was refreshed."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is Yahweh our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Isayah 56:1-7, "This is what Yahweh says: Keep the judgments, and do justly; for My salvation is near, soon, to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who lays hold on it; who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them; and keeps his hand from doing any evil. Do not let the son of the Gentile, who has joined himself to Yahweh, speak, saying; Yahweh has utterly separated me from His people. Nor let the eunuch say; Behold, I am a dry tree. For this is what Yahweh says: To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths, and choose those things which please Me, and hold fast to My covenant: I will give to them, in My House, even within My walls, a place and a Name equal to that of sons and of daughters; I will give them the Name of The Everlasting: YAHWEH; which will not be cut off. Also the sons of the Gentile who join themselves to Yahweh, to serve Him, and to love the Name of Yahweh, to be His servants--everyone who keeps the Sabbaths without polluting; defiling, them and who holds fast to My covenant--I will bring them to My holy mountain, and make them joyful in My House of prayer..."

So the only day of commerce allowed in a time of great chaos could be the 7th day (Sat), for days 2-6 (Mon-Fri) are work days and the 1st day (Sun) has been declared by the RCC, "her mark of authority" and a day of rest:

“Sunday is our mark or authority...the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact.” Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923.

“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change (Saturday Sabbath to Sunday) was her act...And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things.” H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons

“Protestants...accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change...But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that...In observing the Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the church, the Pope.” Our Sunday Visitor, February 15, 1950.


and it was prophesied by the prophet Daniyl:


Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Now with all that said I do personally believe the RIFD will be "administered"

Revelation 18:11-13, "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. "

Arron Russo was attempted to be recruited by the "global elite" and spoke upon their rfid agenda before he died;

Aaron Russo (/ˈrʊsoʊ/; February 14, 1943 – August 24, 2007) was an American entertainment businessman, film producer and director, and political activist. He was best known for producing such movies as Trading Places, Wise Guys, and The Rose. Later in life, he created various Libertarian-leaning political documentaries including Mad as Hell and America: Freedom to Fascism. After a six-year battle with bladder cancer, Russo died on August 24, 2007.
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Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act:
"A class II implantable device is an “implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information.” The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data, patient survey data, standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments, electronic health records, and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.” Class III devises are items such as breast implants, pacemakers, heart valves, etc. A Class II device that is implantable is, as you seen from the FDA, an implantable radio frequency transponder, RFID chip. From breast implants, to pacemakers, to RFID chips which one is the only possible one that can used for the stated purpose in section B which is, “for linking such data with the information included in the registry”? As we know from subsection A, the information in the registry is the name of a device. In plain speak, we are in a clear way being told that our electronic medical records are going to be linked to a class II implantable device! “The Secretary to protect the public health; shall establish procedures to permit linkage of information submitted pursuant to subparagraph (A, remember subparagraph A is the class 2 implantable device reference) with patient safety and outcomes data obtained under paragraph (3, which is electronic medical records); and to permit analyses of linked data;” Continuing on to page 1007, in the STANDARDS, IMPLEMENTATION CRITERIA, AND CERTIFICATION CRITERIA section, the secretary of health and human services is given full power to intact all mandates from the laundry list of to-do items in the creation process of the registry as well as dictate how the devises listed in the National Medical Device Registry are to be used and implemented. “The Secretary of the Health Human Services, acting through the head of the Office of the National Coordinator for Health Information Technology, shall adopt standards, implementation specifications, and certification criteria for the electronic exchange and use in certified electronic health records of a unique device identifier for each device described in paragraph 1 (National Medical Device Registry), if such an identifier is required by section 519(f) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i(f)) for the device.” Notice here in this part which is at the beginning of 2000 plus pages of the law, it is carefully worded “which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identity detection card”. Here we are told that it may be a card. As you have already seen, deeper in the law [Sec. 2521 Pg. 1000] what this “may” utilize is clearly spelled out as a “class II device that is implantable”. Now on Page 503, section E Lines 13-17 and I quote: “encourage, as appropriate, the development and use of clinical registries and the development of clinical effectiveness research data networks from electronic health records, post marketing drug and medical device surveillance efforts”. Let me say that again, medical device surveillance efforts! Now lets look at section 163 of HR3200, which gives the government a direct electronic access to your bank account which will work in conjunction with an implanted chip. Page 58 Lines 5 through 15 reads: (D) enable the real-time (or near real time) determination of an individual’s financial responsibility at the point of service and, to the extent possible, prior to service, including whether the individual is eligible for a specific service with a specific physician at a specific facility, which may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identity detection card; (E) enable, where feasible, near real-time adjudication of claims What does this mean? It means that the government will give everybody a health ID card that contains a machine readable device (magnetic strip or RFID chip) similar to a credit card. Embedded in this chip or strip is your Health Identification Number. When you visit a medical provider, the medical claims will be processed while you are still in the office. The medical providers will be paid in real time. The portion that you owe will be deducted from your bank account, in real time, according to HR 3200."

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful (PURPOSE) to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahchanan, saw the holy city, Yahweh Shammah, coming down from Yahweh out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of Yahweh is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and Yahweh Himself will be with them, and be their Father.

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Revelation 22:12-15, "And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give every man according as his work will be. I am the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Blessed are those who keep His Laws, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For outside are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and worshipers of gods and everyone who professes to love, yet practices falsehood."

2 Thess 2:6-12, "For the mystery of iniquity (secret initiation of lawlessness*) is already working, but the One restraining him will continue to restrain him, until he is made to appear in the midst. And then that lawless one will be revealed, whom Yahshua will remove with the breath of His mouth, and make powerless with the appearance of His coming-- Whose coming is according to the energy of Satan, who works with all power, and signs, and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of sin in those who are perishing, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason, Yahweh will send them strong delusion, that they would believe the deception, In order that all those may be judged as not having believed the truth, but as having delighted in sin."

*What is the "mystery of iniquity" ?

3466 mustérion
mustérion: a mystery or secret doctrine
Short Definition: anything hidden, a mystery
Definition: a mystery, secret, of which initiation is necessary;

458 anomia
anomia
: lawlessness
Short Definition:lawlessness, iniquity
Definition:lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

Rom 7:7, What? Can anyone therefore say that the Law is sin? No! By no means! But to the contrary, I did not know sin; transgression of the Law, except through the Law, for I did not know lust, unless the Law had said: Do not covet. 12, Therefore the Law is holy, and the commandments are holy, and just, and righteous.13 Did that which is righteous, then, become death to me? By no means! But in order that sin might be recognized as sin, it produced death in me through that which was righteous, so that through the commandments, sin might become utterly sinful."

1 John 3:4, "Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law."

Jude 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah"

Mattithyah 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful (PURPOSE) to do righteousness on the Sabbath.

 

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2 Timothy 2:19, “However, the solid foundation of Yah stands firm, having this seal*, “ יהוה knows those who are His, Let everyone who names the Name of Messiah turn away from unrighteousness.”


Strong's Concordance *"seal"is word #G4973 - sphragis: a seal, a signet, Original Word: σφραγίς, ῖδος, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: sphragis, Phonetic Spelling: (sfrag-ece'), Short Definition: a signet-ring, impression of a seal, the proof, Definition: a seal, signet ring, the impression of a seal, that which the seal attests, the proof.


The word “unrighteousness” is word #G93 ἀδικία – adikia, ad-ee-kee'-ah, (legal) injustice (properly the quality, by implication the act); moral wrongfulness (of charter, life or act):—iniquity, unjust, unrighteousness, wrong.


1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."


Exodus 13:9, “And it shall be as a *sign to you on your hand and as a reminder between your eyes, that the Torah (Instructions/Law) of יהוה is to be in your mouth, for with a strong hand יהוה has brought you out of Mitsrayim.”

The word *Sign is word #H226 – owth from Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, Hebrew Dictionary: meaning mark, token, sign, consent, flag, evidence of consent.



H226 אוֹת 'owth (oth), a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc., [probably from H225 (in the sense of appearing)], KJV: mark, miracle, (en-)sign, token.

fact is the "mark" of YHWH upon the hand and head is His Law, in the NT this is suppoerted as shown above.

the beast has a counter mark.


Revelation 12:9 “And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him.”


Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"


 

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you are predictable. You avoid to answer my question and make a statement to make me like stupid.

The reality is one that can not answer the question is the one.

you say the dead can not obey or not obey the law,

are you the dead?

simple question why afraid to answer? Afraid look stupid, than accused me stupid? Be honest if you do not want people think you are stupid.
At present I ignore Studyman. He has flawed understanding of scripture at best.
 

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At present I ignore Studyman. He has flawed understanding of scripture at best.
Maybe you could help your brother then and show me specifically where my understanding is flawed?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
 

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what do you call 'all the rest ? the 10 'encompass all we are to keep....the rest/works Jesus dealt with on the cross Eph 2v15; Col 2v14.
God gave the people personally 10 which are spiritual and eternal and added no more Deut 5v22.

do you think we are adopted to become 'lawbreakers ? just the opposite...we establish the law !
"what do you call 'all the rest ?"

all the You shall's and You shall not's in the scriptures

here's a good example

Genesis 9: 4. But flesh with its life, its blood, you shall not eat.
 

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"what do you call 'all the rest ?"

all the You shall's and You shall not's in the scriptures

here's a good example

Genesis 9: 4. But flesh with its life, its blood, you shall not eat.
In Japan there is a fish dish where they take the fish out of a tank and scale it and put it back into the tank. After a time to recover they remove it and slice the sides of the fish creating flaps of flesh. They replace it again. Soon they take it out and cook the sides of the fish and serve it as the gills try to breath air. Thus eating a cooked live fish.
 

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"what do you call 'all the rest ?"

all the You shall's and You shall not's in the scriptures

here's a good example

Genesis 9: 4. But flesh with its life, its blood, you shall not eat.
Not that you will accept this but I did a Word study years ago on the Word Blood. I studied the Greek and the Hebrew and printed every scripture which used the word to better understand it's meaning.

To paraphrase I found that Blood means generally life. And we are not to "consume" the "life" or lifestyle, or beliefs, doctrines or traditions of any man or beast.

But Jesus said:

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

So I took this to mean we are only to consume the "Life" lifestyle, doctrines, teachings, walk, of the Word which became Flesh, and no other.

Duet. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (The Word which became Flesh) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Every time I order a steak this Word study comes to my mind.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Every Passover this Word study comes to my mind.

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Glory be to the Word which became Flesh who gave His Life, so I could live.
 

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THE CALL FOR SUNDAY REST, and linking this with care for the climate.

Pope: Sunday Worship a “Necessity” For All
Pope Benedict XVI says your life depends upon worshiping on Sunday.
9 September 2007: Holy Mass in St. Stephen's Cathedral in Vienna (Austria) | BENEDICT XVI

“Sine dominico non possumus!” “Without Sunday [worship] we cannot live!” Pope Benedict xvi
declared during a mass on September 9 at St. Stephen’s Cathedral in Vienna.

Speaking on the final day of his three-day visit to Austria, the German pope voiced a strong
call for Christians to revive Sunday keeping as an all-important religious practice.

“Give the soul its Sunday, give Sunday its soul,” he chanted before a rain-soaked crowd of 40,000.
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-a...-says-pope-idUKL0965805820070909?pageNumber=1


Benedict said that Sunday, which he stated has its origin as “the day of the dawning
of creation,” was “also the church’s weekly feast of creation.” Sunday worship, he warned,
was not just a “precept” to be casually adhered to, but a “necessity” for all people.


The pope has been very vocal about Europe’s Christian—or Catholic—roots, and is
pushing to have them included in the European Constitution. Although laws concerning
Sunday worship are currently determined by individual nations, look for the European
Union to eventually gain jurisdiction over the work week.

Historically, when the Catholic Church has started telling everyone to observe Sunday,
it has soon after started enforcing that law with brutality. Take the Council of Laodicea,
for example. In a.d. 363, the Catholic Church proclaimed that all those who did not keep
Sunday, but rather rested on Saturday, were “anathema”—cursed, or excommunicated
—from Christ. The Roman Empire then started torturing and martyring all who disobeyed.


After Charlemagne gained power over Europe, he too began murdering those who kept
Saturday. Throughout the Middle Ages, Saturday observers were tortured and murdered
at the behest of the Catholic Church.

Every time Europe has been strong and united, it has enforced Sunday worship.
Europe is becoming united, and its leaders are once again trying to enforce Sunday.

As in the past, when the Catholic Church has the power to enforce Sunday,
life will be brutal for those who disagree.
 

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the Brussels-based European Sunday Alliance, a network of dozens of religious
and nonreligious organizations from 27 European nations whose purpose,
according to its website, is to “raise awareness of the unique value of synchronized
free time for our European societies.”

At the helm of these crusaders for Sunday rest is the Roman Catholic Church.

On March 3, the European Sunday Alliance met in Brussels with politicians from
all around the European Union for a “Call for Action” about banning Sunday work.
European Sunday Alliance - Survey on the shifts in work-life balance and Sunday rest

The press release for the meeting says:

Stop Sunday Work Now! … Europe is not only an economic but also a social and
cultural community. … The “economization” of Sundays and public holidays
deepens social divisions at the expense of workers and their families.

The common weekly day of rest is a clear and visible sign for the reconciliation
of personal, family and professional life. … We need a Europe-wide Sunday protection.
[T]he European Sunday Alliance draws attention to Sunday as the common weekly day
of rest which enables EU citizens to live their citizenship together.

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Why does this Sunday alliance exist and work so arduously to influence Europe’s
labor laws? Why is the Catholic Church so adamant about instituting a Continent-wide
day of rest? And why must it be Sunday instead of another day of the week?

In large part, it is because it was the Catholic Church—in intentional violation
of biblical teachings—that appointed Sunday as a day of rest and worship.

The Vatican is proud of the success it had in this colossal feat, and Sunday rest
has become a mark of the Catholic Church’s authority.

This truth is best explained by the Vatican’s own:

¦“Sunday is a Catholic institution and its claim to observance can be defended only on
Catholic principles. … From beginning to end of Scripture there is not a single passage
that warrants the transfer of weekly public worship from the last day of the week to
the first” (Catholic Press, August 1900).

¦“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. … And the act is
a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (letter from the office of Cardinal
Gibbons, Nov. 11, 1895).

¦“The church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance from Saturday
to Sunday is proof positive of that fact. Deny the authority of the church and you have no
adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday
in the Third—Protestant Fourth—Commandment of God” (The Catholic Record, Sept. 1, 1923).

¦“Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the church ever did, happened in the
first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. ‘The day of the
Lord’ (dies Dominica) [or “Sunday”] was chosen, not from any direction noted in the Scriptures,
but from the church’s sense of its own power. … People who think that the Scriptures should be
the sole authority, should logically … keep Saturday holy” (Saint Catherine Catholic Church Sentinel,
May 21, 1995).


The March meeting, and the European Sunday Alliance’s ongoing efforts are bringing the Vatican-
influenced EU closer to declaring Sunday as the official Continent-wide day of rest. Any steps in
that direction should alarm religious liberty watchers, those concerned about a failure to separate
church and state, and anyone familiar with Catholicism’s violent history.
 

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A simple principle that has been covered..
We are not under the law - True, because Jesus took the penalty of the law for us,.
The law points out our sin, and sin = death. Jesus died for us, so we have been freed from the law.

The law points out our need of a saviour and Jesus says you are forgiven go and sin no more.

Joh 8:10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
Joh 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.


If you are in dept and Jesus pays your bill for you, does that give you the right to get back in dept again? Because our dept was paid for by Jesus does not mean the law is made void. Out of love for Jesus we should aim to obey the law, If you love Jesus you will obey.

Do i need to quote all the verses.
1Co_15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom_8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Gal_5:4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
Rom_6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom_13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Gal_5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jas_2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
Lev_19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.
Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Love is a summery of the 10 c.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.








Keeping the first four commandments is our way of loving God with all our heart and keeping the last 6 is our way of loving our neighbor as our-self.
 

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Not that you will accept this but I did a Word study years ago on the Word Blood. I studied the Greek and the Hebrew and printed every scripture which used the word to better understand it's meaning.

To paraphrase I found that Blood means generally life. And we are not to "consume" the "life" or lifestyle, or beliefs, doctrines or traditions of any man or beast.

But Jesus said:

John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

So I took this to mean we are only to consume the "Life" lifestyle, doctrines, teachings, walk, of the Word which became Flesh, and no other.

Duet. 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I (The Word which became Flesh) have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
20 That thou mayest love the LORD thy God, and that thou mayest obey his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.

Every time I order a steak this Word study comes to my mind.

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Every Passover this Word study comes to my mind.

19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Glory be to the Word which became Flesh who gave His Life, so I could live.
This is why churches have the sacrament of communion. There are differences of opinion about what happens during ntscommunion. Most protestants view the elements as symbolic. Lutherans believe Jesus is over, under, and though the elements. Catholics believe that the elements literally become the body and blood of Jesus.
 

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This is why churches have the sacrament of communion. There are differences of opinion about what happens during ntscommunion. Most protestants view the elements as symbolic. Lutherans believe Jesus is over, under, and though the elements. Catholics believe that the elements literally become the body and blood of Jesus.
Jesus is the Bread of Life. Just as bread nourishes our physical bodies, Jesus gives and sustains eternal life to all believers.

"I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst." (John 6:35) As Jesus was accustomed, He used figurative language to emphasize these great spiritual truths. Jesus explains the sense of the entire passage when He says, "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life." (John 6:63)

The literal interpretation is absurd, which leads to cannibalism and the drinking of blood contrary to the commandment of God. No eating of any flesh can give spiritual life. By faith we partake of Christ, and the benefits of His bodily sacrifice on the cross and the merits of His shed blood, receiving and enjoying eternal life. Eating and drinking is not with the mouth and the digestive organs of our bodies, but the reception of God’s grace by believing in Christ, as He makes abundantly clear by repeating the same truths both in metaphoric and plain language. Compare for example the following two verses:

“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life” (verse 47).

“He who eats this bread will live forever” (verse 58).

“He who believes” in Christ is equivalent to “he who eats this bread” because the result is the same, eternal life. The parallel is just as obvious in verses 40 and 54:

“Everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day” (verse 40).

“Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day” (verse 54).

John 6 does not afford any support to the false Roman Catholic doctrine of transubstantiation. On the contrary, it is an emphatic statement on the primacy of faith as the means by which we receive the grace of God. Jesus is the Bread of Life; we eat of Him and are satisfied when we believe in Him.

Bread represents the "staff of life." Sustenance. That which essential to sustain life. Just as bread or sustenance is necessary to maintain physical life, Jesus is all the sustenance necessary for spiritual life.

The source of physical life is blood -- "life is in the blood." As with the bread, just as blood is the empowering or source of life physically, Jesus is all the source of spiritual life necessary.
 

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This is why churches have the sacrament of communion. There are differences of opinion about what happens during ntscommunion. Most protestants view the elements as symbolic. Lutherans believe Jesus is over, under, and though the elements. Catholics believe that the elements literally become the body and blood of Jesus.
This is why I stay out of mainstream religious franchises. If they could just get together and agree on the Word? Like those who were building the Tower of Babel. But they CAN'T. I find this Spiritual fact fascinating.

7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech.8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

This is a fascinating story. And perfectly relevant to your post IMO.

This was hard to see when I was part of todays religions, but having escaped their traditions it is as clear as a bell. I would advise everyone to "come out of her". the view is much different from the outside than from within.

This understanding makes the instruction not to drink Blood (Life, teachings, doctrines, etc) except the Blood of the Word which became Flesh especially relevant IMO.
 

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Jesus is the Bread of Life. Just as bread nourishes our physical bodies, Jesus gives and sustains eternal life to all believers.
This is all true. But what Jesus are you speaking about. The Jesus of the Bible is the Word which became Flesh. He created "ALL THINGS". He gives us instructions.

5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.24
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

He was before all things, Yes?

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Was it not Him who told Abram to leave his fathers country? Was it not Him who gave Abraham His Commandments. Was it not this same Word which gave Moses the Priesthood, and blessed Caleb for following Him "fully"? Was it not Him who promised the New Covenant through Jeremiah?

So when Jesus says "Keep My Sayings" do we get to pick and choose which of His Word's we honor? Or are we to listen and Honor ALL His Word's?

What good is His Bread if we don't consume it?
 

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This is all true. But what Jesus are you speaking about. The Jesus of the Bible is the Word which became Flesh. He created "ALL THINGS". He gives us instructions.

5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.24
He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

He was before all things, Yes?

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Was it not Him who told Abram to leave his fathers country? Was it not Him who gave Abraham His Commandments. Was it not this same Word which gave Moses the Priesthood, and blessed Caleb for following Him "fully"? Was it not Him who promised the New Covenant through Jeremiah?

So when Jesus says "Keep My Sayings" do we get to pick and choose which of His Word's we honor? Or are we to listen and Honor ALL His Word's?

What good is His Bread if we don't consume it?
Which of "His Sayings/Words/Commandments" are you accusing me of not keeping/honoring?