Not By Works

[Shamah]

Well, trusting in Christ's work is NOT faith without works

He calls it loving Him:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Exodus 20:6, “But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws.”[/FONT]




[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 14:23-24, “[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me.”

These are really good ones IMO:

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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]John 12:25-26, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless a grain of wheat falls into the ground and dies, it remains alone. But if it dies, it bears much fruit. He who loves his life shall lose it, and he who hates his life in this world shall preserve it for everlasting life." Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”

but many say no no, we have no need of the Messiah's words for we have our own understanding...
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[eternally-gratefull]

I want to show Scriptual truth, like this:

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the Commands of יהוה and possessing the Witness of יהושעMessiah."


Isaiah 51:7, “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness, a people in whose heart is My Torah (Instructions/Law): do not fear the reproach of men, nor be afraid of their reviling.”



Isayah 8:20, "To the Law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."




1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

No you want to push righteousness by the law. You focus on works, on things we do. And not on what God did, and how we react based on what God did.

Its ok, If he listens to you much he will see for himself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We love because God first loved us, Not in order to gain Gods love.

 

[VCO]

Are you saying Zane Hodges was an antinomian?

And like Romans 7:25 proofs, we have still two natures.

What is that word antinomian? I have never heard of it.

Antinomianism

(from the Greek: ἀντί, "against" + νόμος, "law"), is any view which rejects laws or legalism and is against moral, religious, or social norms (Latin: mores), or is at least considered to do so.

In Christianity, an antinomian is one who takes the principle of salvation by faith and divine grace to the point of asserting that the saved are not bound to follow the Law of Moses. The distinction between antinomian and other Christian views on moral law is that antinomians believe that obedience to the law is motivated by an internal principle flowing from belief rather than from any external compulsion.

Okay, you have taught me a new word. Just one more TITLE to remember, . . . have I mentioned how much I HATE TITLES?

No, I also have never heard of Zane Hodges. So I will not pretend that I know what slant on Theology he hails from.

[FONT=&quot]The doctrine of lordship salvation teaches that submitting to Christ as Lord goes hand-in-hand with trusting in Christ as Savior. Lordship salvation is the opposite of what is sometimes called

easy-believism[FONT=&quot] or the teaching that salvation comes through an acknowledgement of a certain set of facts.[/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]John MacArthur, whose book [/FONT]The Gospel According to Jesus lays out the case for lordship salvation, summarizes the teaching this way: “The gospel call to faith presupposes that sinners must repent of their sin and yield to Christ’s authority.” In other words, a sinner who refuses to repent is not saved, for he cannot cling to his sin and the Savior at the same time. And a sinner who rejects Christ’s authority in his life does not have saving faith, for true faith encompasses a surrender to God. Thus, the gospel requires more than making an intellectual decision or mouthing a prayer; the gospel message is a call to discipleship. The sheep will follow their Shepherd in submissive obedience. https://www.gotquestions.org/lordship-salvation.html

I can HIGHLY recommend that book "The Gospel According To Jesus", to anyone who has not read it. Hear is an Amazon link for that book.

https://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Accor..._0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1523643470&sr=8-1-fkmr3

Even in a used book it is afforable, as it is only $1.49 plus shipping. Yes the pages and cover are worn, but that tells you how much the original owner thought of that book. It is LITERALLY what I have described as a book about remorse over sin, and repentance, and receiving JESUS as LORD {MASTER} out of LOVE for HIM, with willing/loving obedience to HIM.
IT IS NOT A BOOK OF WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS. And that is what I when I say the original MEANING to LORDSHIP SALVATION, is in Dr. John MacArthur's - THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS.

I do not know how or when someone with false doctrines, applied their doctrinal slant on that term, LORDSHIP SALVATION. BUT I know no other way to SALVATION than the way Dr. MacArthur words it in that book. That was the first book by him that I red, and I used 4 colors of Highlighters on almost every page.

 

[BillG]

We love because God first loved us, Not in order to gain Gods love. [/QUOTE
Do you think God places his love in us when we believe?

How do we love him because he first loved us?

What type of love do we have when we first believe?
It's not an Agape love, so what is it?

I think a little research on the restoration of Peter gives an insight.

What are your thoughts bro?

 

[LW97]

What is that word antinomian? I have never heard of it.




Okay, you have taught me a new word. Just one more TITLE to remember, . . . have I mentioned how much I HATE TITLES?

No, I also have never heard of Zane Hodges. So I will not pretend that I know what slant on Theology he hails from.



[/I]I can HIGHLY recommend that book "The Gospel According To Jesus", to anyone who has not read it. Hear is an Amazon link for that book.

https://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Accor..._0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1523643470&sr=8-1-fkmr3

Even in a used book it is afforable, as it is only $1.49 plus shipping. Yes the pages and cover are worn, but that tells you how much the original owner thought of that book. It is LITERALLY what I have described as a book about remorse over sin, and repentance, and receiving JESUS as LORD {MASTER} out of LOVE for HIM, with willing/loving obedience to HIM.
IT IS NOT A BOOK OF WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS. And that is what I when I say the original MEANING to LORDSHIP SALVATION, is in Dr. John MacArthur's - THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS.

I do not know how or when someone with false doctrines, applied their doctrinal slant on that term, LORDSHIP SALVATION. BUT I know no other way to SALVATION than the way Dr. MacArthur words it in that book. That was the first book by him that I red, and I used 4 colors of Highlighters on almost every page.

NOWHERE in the Bible does it say you must make Jesus Lord of your life. Instead, the Bible says:
[h=1]Romans 4:4-8 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
[FONT=&quot]5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.[/FONT]

Are There Two Gospels?
https://faithalone.org/magazine/y1993/93july2.html

Also, true biblical repentance is a change of mind (metanoia).

 

[LW97]

What is that word antinomian? I have never heard of it.




Okay, you have taught me a new word. Just one more TITLE to remember, . . . have I mentioned how much I HATE TITLES?

No, I also have never heard of Zane Hodges. So I will not pretend that I know what slant on Theology he hails from.



[/I]I can HIGHLY recommend that book "The Gospel According To Jesus", to anyone who has not read it. Hear is an Amazon link for that book.

https://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Accor..._0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1523643470&sr=8-1-fkmr3

Even in a used book it is afforable, as it is only $1.49 plus shipping. Yes the pages and cover are worn, but that tells you how much the original owner thought of that book. It is LITERALLY what I have described as a book about remorse over sin, and repentance, and receiving JESUS as LORD {MASTER} out of LOVE for HIM, with willing/loving obedience to HIM.
IT IS NOT A BOOK OF WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS. And that is what I when I say the original MEANING to LORDSHIP SALVATION, is in Dr. John MacArthur's - THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS.

I do not know how or when someone with false doctrines, applied their doctrinal slant on that term, LORDSHIP SALVATION. BUT I know no other way to SALVATION than the way Dr. MacArthur words it in that book. That was the first book by him that I red, and I used 4 colors of Highlighters on almost every page.

[h=1]2 Corinthians 11:3-4 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT=&quot]3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
[FONT=&quot]4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.[/FONT]

 

[LW97]

Romans 7:25 King James Version (KJV)

25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

We have two natures.

Is there such thing as a carnal Christian? Yes, there is.


1 Corinthians 3 King James Version (KJV)

3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

 

[LW97]

What is that word antinomian? I have never heard of it.




Okay, you have taught me a new word. Just one more TITLE to remember, . . . have I mentioned how much I HATE TITLES?

No, I also have never heard of Zane Hodges. So I will not pretend that I know what slant on Theology he hails from.



[/I]I can HIGHLY recommend that book "The Gospel According To Jesus", to anyone who has not read it. Hear is an Amazon link for that book.

https://www.amazon.com/Gospel-Accor..._0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1523643470&sr=8-1-fkmr3

Even in a used book it is afforable, as it is only $1.49 plus shipping. Yes the pages and cover are worn, but that tells you how much the original owner thought of that book. It is LITERALLY what I have described as a book about remorse over sin, and repentance, and receiving JESUS as LORD {MASTER} out of LOVE for HIM, with willing/loving obedience to HIM.
IT IS NOT A BOOK OF WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS. And that is what I when I say the original MEANING to LORDSHIP SALVATION, is in Dr. John MacArthur's - THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO JESUS.

I do not know how or when someone with false doctrines, applied their doctrinal slant on that term, LORDSHIP SALVATION. BUT I know no other way to SALVATION than the way Dr. MacArthur words it in that book. That was the first book by him that I red, and I used 4 colors of Highlighters on almost every page.

And here a book by Hodges I can recommend:
https://www.amazon.com/Absolutely-Free-Biblical-Lordship-Salvation/dp/0988347202

 

[LW97]

We love because God first loved us, Not in order to gain Gods love. [/QUOTE
Do you think God places his love in us when we believe?

How do we love him because he first loved us?

What type of love do we have when we first believe?
It's not an Agape love, so what is it?

I think a little research on the restoration of Peter gives an insight.

What are your thoughts bro?

Same as yours.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

We love because God first loved us, Not in order to gain Gods love.

Do you think God places his love in us when we believe?

How do we love him because he first loved us?

What type of love do we have when we first believe?
It's not an Agape love, so what is it?

I think a little research on the restoration of Peter gives an insight.

What are your thoughts bro?

to question 1
God has loved us since before we were even born
(maybe i misunderstand the question)

to question 2
inward we love Him by loving Him lol

outward
we love Him by worship
giving thanks
constant prayer
holding thoughts captive
loving others
denying our flesh
and walking in the spirit
(though not perfectly....... yet)

to question 3

hmmmmmm from personal experience..... when i FIRST believed

it was more fear than love...

but perfect love casts out fear



lol

these questions werent for me

just sharing because i liked them

 

[LW97]

to question 1
God has loved us since before we were even born


to question 2
inward we love Him by loving Him lol

outward
we love Him by worship
giving thanks
constant prayer
holding thoughts captive
loving others
denying our flesh
and walking in the spirit
(though not perfectly....... yet)

to question 3

hmmmmmm from personal experience..... when i FIRST believed

it was more fear than love...

but perfect love casts out fear



lol

these questions werent for me

just sharing because i liked them

Are you related to J. Vernon McGee?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Are you related to J. Vernon McGee?

hahaahahaha

my name isnt mcgee


who is that?

a preacher?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Are you related to J. Vernon McGee?

ohhhhh

you know what?

if he is a brother in Christ


i suppose we are related

 

[BillG]

to question 1
God has loved us since before we were even born
(maybe i misunderstand the question)

to question 2
inward we love Him by loving Him lol

outward
we love Him by worship
giving thanks
constant prayer
holding thoughts captive
loving others
denying our flesh
and walking in the spirit
(though not perfectly....... yet)

to question 3

hmmmmmm from personal experience..... when i FIRST believed

it was more fear than love...

but perfect love casts out fear



lol

these questions werent for me

just sharing because i liked them

Can I guess who?
Was it you?

Love you too bro.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Can I guess who?
Was it you?

Love you too bro.

hahaha

next time ill hide it better

 

[BillG]

to question 1
God has loved us since before we were even born
(maybe i misunderstand the question)

to question 2
inward we love Him by loving Him lol

outward
we love Him by worship
giving thanks
constant prayer
holding thoughts captive
loving others
denying our flesh
and walking in the spirit
(though not perfectly....... yet)

to question 3

hmmmmmm from personal experience..... when i FIRST believed

it was more fear than love...

but perfect love casts out fear



lol

these questions werent for me

just sharing because i liked them

Yes and no to question 1.

Some get what you get, yet some do not.

Me being one of them.

The concept that God loved me before I was born was not true.
The concept for me was "Do good works and be perfect then I will love you"
That's question 3.

Jesus sacrifice was not enough.
Amazing grace did not save me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We love because God first loved us, Not in order to gain Gods love. [/QUOTE
Do you think God places his love in us when we believe?

How do we love him because he first loved us?

What type of love do we have when we first believe?
It's not an Agape love, so what is it?

I think a little research on the restoration of Peter gives an insight.

What are your thoughts bro?

I believe God showed love the moment he said it is finished.

I believe love is based on what he gave us, Since our eternity is secured. We no longer have to worry about self. This gives us the ability to serve others.

I believe love takes time, No one agape loves as a baby in Christ, that may take many years.

As for peter. God asked him twice if Peter agape Peter always answered with phileo. The last time Jesus asked him if he Phileo him, what it shows is Jesus said even though you can not say you agape me right now. I have a job for you to do, go feed my sheep anyway Excellent passage, especially when seen in the greek.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Yes and no to question 1.

Some get what you get, yet some do not.

Me being one of them.

The concept that God loved me before I was born was not true.
The concept for me was "Do good works and be perfect then I will love you"
That's question 3.

Jesus sacrifice was not enough.
Amazing grace did not save me.

forgive me brother....

but i am confused


are you saying you believe God loves us the moment we are made new?

or are you saying you once believed one way
and now believe another

 

[LW97]

forgive me brother....

but i am confused


are you saying you believe God loves us the moment we are made new?

or are you saying you once believed one way
and now believe another

You're not the only one confused.