KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[trofimus]

My concern is not with the entire genealogy in Matthew, I just checked to see if the first part matched 1 Chronicles 3 and it does. Im sure the rest of it does too but that's not the point of my research right. Right now I'm interested in understanding the Ahaziah's age thing.

Because if details were your concern, you would never leave your searching for how to reconcile inner KJV readings... thats why you must do just "quick checks" and hope the rest is OK. It saves you time for normal life. On the other hand, it can always return back to you so you are never truly in the finish.

 

[KJV1611]

Because if details were your concern, you would never leave your searching for how to reconcile inner KJV readings... thats why you must do just "quick checks" and hope the rest is OK. It saves you time for normal life. On the other hand, it can always return back to you so you are never truly in the finish.

I'm not concerned about those details right now, right now I'm concerned about the details of Ahaziah's age.

 

[Joseppi]

Lol challenge accepted.

Yet we know that a person is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by obeying the law. And we have believed in Christ Jesus, so that we might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ, not because we have obeyed the law. For no one will ever be made right with God by obeying the law.”
Galatians 2:16

What you presented contradicts itself and results in a lie.
First it says that a person...
“is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ”

Then it says that a person....
”might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ”

Your version excluded the understanding that the “ faith of Jesus Christ” is required for the lawful justification of sinners.

Your version doesn’t mention justification as a legal demand of the law.

The Authorized Version doesn’t present a contradiction.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

What you presented contradicts itself and results in a lie.
First it says that a person...
“is made right with God by faith in Jesus Christ”

Then it says that a person....
”might be made right with God because of our faith in Christ”

Your version excluded the understanding that the “ faith of Jesus Christ” is required for the lawful justification of sinners.

Your version doesn’t mention justification as a legal demand of the law.

The Authorized Version doesn’t present a contradiction.

Galatians 2:16
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Your understanding of English is truly appalling.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Uhm.... no.

For example I just read Leibniz - Theodicea. It talks about God.

My case proved


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You probably meant its the only book that is inspired..?

And where did Leibniz get his info from when he wrote that book?

Theology literally means study of God. This is derived solely from the scriptures.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I believe that if several people in a community are led to Salvation by word of mouth; and the Bible is unavailable and/or suppressed, the indwelling Holy Spirit can lead people into sound practices and there can be a church. When the Bible becomes available in such cases the practices of believers in such circumstances are often affirmed by it.

By word I mouth, I presume you mean quoting scripture w/o a bible on your person? I agree with this. But you’d still be using the scriptures whilst witnessing to them.

 

[SovereignGrace]

It seems to me like "USA vs Russia". Thats what Russians say, beware!!

I do not take sides regarding truth. All human sides have something true and something false. Thats why I said my ground is simply truth. Without any adjectives (catholic, protestant, new, old, biblical, scientific...).

I say the scriptures are sufficient, you? Not so much.

It's not a 'Russia v. U.S.A.' thing, but a sufficiency of the scriptures vs the alternative.

 

[Dino246]

There are 2 different ages and 2 different beginnings of their reigns. I think the lineage in 1 Chronicles is the lineage of Jesus, at least it matches the lineage in Matthew as far as I have checked it.

Actually, they don't match. Matthew doesn't mention Ahaziah at all; he is the first of three generations that Matthew does not list. Matthew has Uzziah (Azariah) as the son of Joram (Jehoram). The others list Jehoram, Ahaziah (yes, that one), Joash, Amaziah, and then Uzziah.

Still only one Ahaziah (in Judah), and another contradiction.

 

[MarcR]

By word I mouth, I presume you mean quoting scripture w/o a bible on your person? I agree with this. But you’d still be using the scriptures whilst witnessing to them.

I was thinking of places like China (until recently) where the Bible was suppressed and many believers had little or no access to a Bible.

After several people are brought to faith by sharing memorized verses, the indwelling Holy Spirit can lead a community of believers into sound practice even without the written Word.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I was thinking of places like China (until recently) where the Bible was suppressed and many believers had little or no access to a Bible.

After several people are brought to faith by sharing memorized verses, the indwelling Holy Spirit can lead a community of believers into sound practice even without the written Word.

But this can not be done without the usage of the scriptures. Even if you only speak the verses, due to no bibles around, its only the scriptures that lead ppl to the Christ.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

I was thinking of places like China (until recently) where the Bible was suppressed and many believers had little or no access to a Bible.

After several people are brought to faith by sharing memorized verses, the indwelling Holy Spirit can lead a community of believers into sound practice even without the written Word.

Where two or three are gathered in my name........

I believe that where circumstances are extreme, The Lord moves in other ways to reach people. He is still a God of the miraculous and he will not leave anyone without a chance to choose.

 

[KJV1611]

Actually, they don't match. Matthew doesn't mention Ahaziah at all; he is the first of three generations that Matthew does not list. Matthew has Uzziah (Azariah) as the son of Joram (Jehoram). The others list Jehoram, Ahaziah (yes, that one), Joash, Amaziah, and then Uzziah.

Still only one Ahaziah (in Judah), and another contradiction.

Joram and Jehoram are the same name and used interchangeably. Ahaziah was also called Azariah and Jehohoahz. He is also known as Uzziah in the new testament.

 

[KJV1611]

But this can not be done without the usage of the scriptures. Even if you only speak the verses, due to no bibles around, its only the scriptures that lead ppl to the Christ.

Does anyone have scripture to back this statement - "only scriptures lead people to the Christ"?

 

[trofimus]

And where did Leibniz get his info from when he wrote that book?

Theology literally means study of God. This is derived solely from the scriptures.

From using brain.

God is not locked in Scriptures.

 

[trofimus]

I say the scriptures are sufficient, you? Not so much.

It's not a 'Russia v. U.S.A.' thing, but a sufficiency of the scriptures vs the alternative.

Scriptures are sufficient for salvation.

But Scriptures do not contain all knowledge of the Universe.

 

[trofimus]

But this can not be done without the usage of the scriptures. Even if you only speak the verses, due to no bibles around, its only the scriptures that lead ppl to the Christ.

I have no idea where you got this from.

I do not have to speak verses to describe the gospel to somebody. Of course, its better, because it will be more precise. But not necessary.

 

[John146]

Does anyone have scripture to back this statement - "only scriptures lead people to the Christ"?

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear(hear what...the word of God) without a preacher?
15 And how shall they preach(preach what...the word of God), except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

How are people going to call upon the name of the Lord without hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ as found in the Scriptures? We are called to preach to them the gospel from the word of God. Yes, this can be done by memory or straight from the bible.

 

[trofimus]

How are people going to call upon the name of the Lord without hearing the gospel of Jesus Christ as found in the Scriptures? We are called to preach to them the gospel from the word of God. Yes, this can be done by memory or straight from the bible.

How do you deal with the fact that church was there before the NT was written?

Hearing "the word of God" does not mean reciting Scriptures, it means the message from God which can be rendered by anybody who knows Christ.

If I say to you "you can be saved if you believe that Christ died for your sins on the cross and was resurrected after that", I am not quoting any Scriptures and still, I am saying the word (message) of God.

 

[John146]

If I say to you "you can be saved if you believe that Christ died for your sins on the cross and was resurrected after that", I am not quoting any Scriptures and still, I am saying the word (message) of God.

Where did you get that knowledge but from the word of God. I'm not saying you have to quote it exactly, but I do believe it helps. It is better for people to receive or reject the word of God rather my rendering of it. If someone believes, I want them to believe the word of God, not me. If someone rejects, I want them to reject the word of God, not me.

 

[trofimus]

Where did you get that knowledge but from the word of God. I'm not saying you have to quote it exactly, but I do believe it helps. It is better for people to receive or reject the word of God rather my rendering of it. If someone believes, I want them to believe the word of God, not me. If someone rejects, I want them to reject the word of God, not me.

We, Christians, got our knowledge from Christ. He taught His apostles and apostles founded first churches with the help of the Holy Spirit and various gifts.

Scripture was used for proving that Jesus is the promised Christ and for various discussions about Law.