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I'm glad you're fine with it. I am very thankful you aren't the one setting the prison sentence though. Nice to know, you personally, (apart from anything you've ever read in the Bible or prayed to the Lord about), think the guys who raped me weren't as bad as someone who killed a child before he/she was born.
Who has bad priorities here?
Who has bad priorities here?
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Stats: of all the abortions done in America, less than 2% are done for the purpose of rape, incest, AND physical health of the mother. 1700+ abortions per day in America.
It also really does happen that sometimes women still won't seek medical help when their life is in danger and they're pregnant. The women I'm thinking of survived the pregnancy, had a healthy baby, and "celebrated" with radiation therapy to kill the cancer, after the baby was born. BTW, they lived and their babies are now 20ish. (one younger, one older. lol)
It also really does happen that sometimes women still won't seek medical help when their life is in danger and they're pregnant. The women I'm thinking of survived the pregnancy, had a healthy baby, and "celebrated" with radiation therapy to kill the cancer, after the baby was born. BTW, they lived and their babies are now 20ish. (one younger, one older. lol)
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You got your comment backwards there ... I had rape at 40 years and abortion at 20 years in prison ... Only because abortion has recently been legal ... A slower societal change in punishment if it were to be made illegal would cause less turmoil and uprising of the feminists in the beginning ... I would later be fine with punishing abortion with life in prison ... And I also would have no problem with that being the punishment for rape ...
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In the cases when it is the difference between the life of the mother or the life of the child, I truly do believe consensus needs to be reached. And that consensus is between two people only -- the father and mother of that child. It is up to them, who lives, and as long as the two agree, the decision is the right decision.
(After all, if the mother wants to die, instead of the baby, the father is the one raising the child. So one of the hardest decisions two humans can make really is between those two humans alone.)
(After all, if the mother wants to die, instead of the baby, the father is the one raising the child. So one of the hardest decisions two humans can make really is between those two humans alone.)
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I am pro-choice too.
The chooses:
1. Keep the legs opened or closed.
2. Use contraception or don't.
3. Keep the baby or put the baby up for adoption.
4. Choose mother or child, (only in the rare cases when there is no other choice.))
Clearly, I am pro-choice.
The only choice I don't give is killing the child out of convenience or fear. (And killing the baby because of incest or rape, is killing the baby out of fear.)
The chooses:
1. Keep the legs opened or closed.
2. Use contraception or don't.
3. Keep the baby or put the baby up for adoption.
4. Choose mother or child, (only in the rare cases when there is no other choice.))
Clearly, I am pro-choice.
The only choice I don't give is killing the child out of convenience or fear. (And killing the baby because of incest or rape, is killing the baby out of fear.)
Yes, I keep hearing about this sad scenario, always used as an argument...
https://www.liveaction.org/news/abortion-ever-necessary-save-life-mother/
https://www.liveaction.org/news/abortion-ever-necessary-save-life-mother/
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My problem is your base.
Your base is entirely related to how you feel about something, and entirely unrelated to what God says about it.
You've set yourself up as THE teacher on all sorts of matters, without first being the student about it.
You've set yourself up as judge and jury with little active thinking on the words, the reality, or the moral response. Mostly, with no knowledge of what God says on the matter, and God says plenty. And what he says about rape makes me someone glad I don't live in the days of his law. BUT really not thrilled with man's interpretation either.
After all the difference between what God said, (either let your daughter marry her rapist, or the rapist owes you X amount of money, and your daughter should never marry) and what the US government says, (average jail time for a rapist is all the way up to 9 years now. Up from 4 months back in the days I was raped, which is just peachy keen on how people perceive rape as no big thang) has absolutely nothing to do with what you say. And yet, you talk and talk without any idea what either says. It's all about how you feel and how little you've studied the reality of what you feel from what is really happening.
Since you asked.
Your base is entirely related to how you feel about something, and entirely unrelated to what God says about it.
You've set yourself up as THE teacher on all sorts of matters, without first being the student about it.
You've set yourself up as judge and jury with little active thinking on the words, the reality, or the moral response. Mostly, with no knowledge of what God says on the matter, and God says plenty. And what he says about rape makes me someone glad I don't live in the days of his law. BUT really not thrilled with man's interpretation either.
After all the difference between what God said, (either let your daughter marry her rapist, or the rapist owes you X amount of money, and your daughter should never marry) and what the US government says, (average jail time for a rapist is all the way up to 9 years now. Up from 4 months back in the days I was raped, which is just peachy keen on how people perceive rape as no big thang) has absolutely nothing to do with what you say. And yet, you talk and talk without any idea what either says. It's all about how you feel and how little you've studied the reality of what you feel from what is really happening.
Since you asked.
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Again you completely misunderstood ... When I said abortion has been legal recently what I mean is "if it were to be made illegal tomorrow", then yes it was legal recently because the at that point the law would have just changed ... If the law were changed, then abortion would have been legal recently before, would it not ? ...
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I figured out this is my problem.
You pontificate and hold yourself out as the prime example of how to think and what to believe without ever consider what God says about it.
I tend to read what people say to find out what they learn about God, and then judge that along with my understanding (or lack of understanding, because many things I know nothing about), and then decide if the person is worth listening to.
Worth listening to is always linked to how much I can earn from someone, and the bar is set low enough, that I could step over it instead, but if someone can teach me something new every dozen posts or so, the person is worth reading.
You've managed, in the grand total of three days to prove to me, you aren't worth reading, and yet, I kept hoping that could change.
It might. But it probably won't, given you have such a high opinion of yourself. So, my problem. Not yours.
I should have put you on ignore two days ago, but I am a slow learner.
I finally learned. All I get from you is your opinions, and those unlearned, so ignore works for me. Feel free to keep being you. Nothing to learn here.
You pontificate and hold yourself out as the prime example of how to think and what to believe without ever consider what God says about it.
I tend to read what people say to find out what they learn about God, and then judge that along with my understanding (or lack of understanding, because many things I know nothing about), and then decide if the person is worth listening to.
Worth listening to is always linked to how much I can earn from someone, and the bar is set low enough, that I could step over it instead, but if someone can teach me something new every dozen posts or so, the person is worth reading.
You've managed, in the grand total of three days to prove to me, you aren't worth reading, and yet, I kept hoping that could change.
It might. But it probably won't, given you have such a high opinion of yourself. So, my problem. Not yours.
I should have put you on ignore two days ago, but I am a slow learner.
I finally learned. All I get from you is your opinions, and those unlearned, so ignore works for me. Feel free to keep being you. Nothing to learn here.
Nobody stops a woman from aborting other than herself and her conscience.
Abortion is murder pure and simple and if it was designated as first degree murder, hardly any woman would abort. But it is the MALE WIMPS in government and in the courts (in the Western world) that do not have the courage to call it what it is.
I don't know what you mean by "men have it so easy to get into womans affairs", but this is NOT simply a woman's affair. It is primarily the baby's affair, and he/she has no one to speak up for him/her.
As to "jeez" Christians should be using that abbreviated form of "Jesus" at all. Perhaps you are not aware of this.
Abortion is murder pure and simple and if it was designated as first degree murder, hardly any woman would abort. But it is the MALE WIMPS in government and in the courts (in the Western world) that do not have the courage to call it what it is.
I don't know what you mean by "men have it so easy to get into womans affairs", but this is NOT simply a woman's affair. It is primarily the baby's affair, and he/she has no one to speak up for him/her.
As to "jeez" Christians should be using that abbreviated form of "Jesus" at all. Perhaps you are not aware of this.
