Should Abortion Be Legal ?

[Pontiac]

Abortion and rape are both terrible crimes ... I am fine with punishing abortionists with 20 years in prison while punishing rapists with 40 years in prison ... I am not for either wrong ... I am for punishing both ... It is anyone who supports abortion that is for a wrong ... It is beyond me how anyone can defend abortion and then declare themselves to be any worshiping Christian ... They have their priorities upside down and backwards ...

 

[graceNpeace]

Abortion on demand is stain on society - no question there!

However, not all abortion's are done because it is the choice of the mother.
There are abortions that are done because the pregnancy is causing life-threatening illness in the mother.
These situations really do exist!
If anyone is wondering about my position in this, it is simple:
I have worked as an Intensive Care physician for nearly twenty years.
And it really does happen that mothers get ill for various reasons during pregnancy where either the pregnancy itself is the cause of the problem directly, or it exacerbates any one of many non-pregnancy related diseases.
And, it is not that unusual for an abortion to be required in order to save the mother's life.

As someone who is absolutely a Bible believing Christian, abortion for the reasons stated above has never given me any ethical qualms. If the mother dies the baby dies - it is that simple! Better the mother survive in that scenario and have a chance at a successful pregnancy in the future.
In later pregnancy, it is sometimes possible to jolly the situation along for a few days and then deliver the baby. In this situation, because the mother has been so ill and the fact that the baby will usually be premature, sometimes right at the extremes of so-called "viability" that survival of the baby is by no means assured.
However, if the mother will not survive unless the pregnancy is terminated and the pregnancy is too early for viability to be a factor, then sadly, the pregnancy must be terminated.
No one likes situations like these, not the parents and family, and not the medical and nursing staff involved but everybody in these situations understands the necessity.

Sometimes, mothers saved in this fashion will even go on to have a successful pregnancy in the future....

I just make this point so that people engaging in this debate do not throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater...

 

[Pontiac]

To clarify ... I am not against any abortion if it is absolutely necessary in order to save the mother's life ... All other abortion is what I am strictly against because it is clearly murder ...

 

[preacher4truth]

Some still bow to Moloch because of their feelings and other arguments to justify murdering babies. The baby needs to be dismembered and plucked apart, or, use scissors to stab into its skull, then suck out the baby's brains with a vacuum because the mother was raped. Yes, the answer is to murder the child. That will make mum feel better.

Then they call themselves Christian...

 

[preacher4truth]

To clarify ... I am not against any abortion if it is absolutely necessary in order to save the mother's life ... All other abortion is what I am strictly against because it is clearly murder ...

Then you're for abortion and murdering a child.

 

[FlyingDove]

Simple answer: NO!!!

I believe the real question is: When does life begin?

Sperm and ovum are "living cells" prior to fertilization. Its at the point of contact between the two. That a life begins.

Contact create's a living soul, at the moment, the two living cells meet.

A seed cannot germinate and bring forth new life until it dies. The seed in this case (sperm) dies & a new life begins

This process is known as fertilization (conception).

John 12
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat (or any seed - in this case sperm) fall into the ground & die, "it abideth alone": "but if it die", it bringeth forth much fruit

Though the life doesn't have any form yet. Just, leave it alone and it becomes a person.

The answer is, life begins, at conception.

Leave the fetus alone and it will live. So, if you disrupt the life cycle. And remove the fetus at anytime. You kill it!

Look! you can abstain and never have to make this decision.

Or use contraceptives and never have to face this decision.

Take responsibility for you actions. Don't get pregnant!

And you'll never have to take a life. Just because you don't want to pay the price for your bad decision.

P.S.
Most Famous Abortion Rights Quote: It's my body so, my right, my choice! May I interject a thought here.

Secondly, a womans right? Hum! Simple math say's 1/2 the babies aborted/murdered are FEMALE!

The baby inside the womb has it's "own separate" DNA. What about this living soul's Right's?

Finally, there is alway's the adoption option. Just think, what if somebody had aborted you!

More help:
A great war surrounds both the value and beginning of life. The onslaught of unscriptural terminology has not helped in this battle. According to the Bible, a woman who is expecting is "with child" (Genesis 16:11; Matthew 1:18).

Modern terminology (ABORTION) removes this association with terminating of life. And the terminology termination (KILLING) of that life. Is merely labeled abortion (the cancellation of a mission) rather than murder (the ungodly shedding of innocent blood).

A woman who is "with child" has another living soul "with" her. As she progresses she becomes "great with child" (Luke 2:5), until she is "ready to be delivered" (Revelation 12:4; see also 1 Samuel 4:19; Isaiah 26:17).

So, I believe abortion is murder. Should the murder of an unborn child be legal? NO!

Luke 2:5 To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child.
(NOTE: The still pregnant mother is great with child. "WITH CHILD"!)

Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
(NOTE: The UNBORN BABE LEAPED in her womb)

1 Samuel 4:19 His daughter in law, Phinehas' wife, "was with child, near to be delivered": and when she heard the tidings that the ark of God was taken, and that her father in law and her husband were dead, she bowed herself and travailed; for her pains came upon her.
(NOTE: "was with child, near to be delivered". "WAS WITH CHILD")

Ecclesiastes 11:5 As thou knowest not what is the way of the spirit, nor how the bones do grow in the womb of her that is with child: even so thou knowest not the works of God who maketh all.
(NOTE "With Child" in her womb)

Isaiah 26:17 As ""a woman with child, that draweth near the time of her delivery"" is in pain, and crieth out in her pangs; so have we been in thy sight, O LORD.
(NOTE: Before birth, Scripture Declares, the woman is "WITH CHILD")

Revelation 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
(NOTE: Here the UNBORN is called CHILD. The Dragon is waithing for the "CHILD" to be born)

Science agrees with: Life begins at conception:
The American Heritage Science Dictionary defines “conception” as “the formation of a zygote resulting from the union of a sperm and egg cell; fertilization.”

Likewise, the entry for “life” in the American Heritage Dictionary of Science states that life is “the form of existence that organisms like animals and plants have and that inorganic objects or organic dead bodies lack; animate existence, characterized by growth, reproduction, metabolism, and response to stimuli.”

 

[Pontiac]

Then you're for abortion and murdering a child.

It is not clearly murder if it is to save the life of the mother ... At that point it comes down to common sense ... You don't risk two lives to save one so you save the mother ...

 

[tourist]

Abortion is legalized genocide.

 

[preacher4truth]

It is not clearly murder...

Oh, but clearly it is murder.

Yes, the baby is murdered. Just so I understand the political correctness that is being birthed in your mind, what do you call what they do to the baby in this scenario? Hint: What they do to the baby is not "save the mums life." That's a cop out; it is not what was done to the baby.

What do they do to the baby?

 

[notuptome]

So now you are putting God onside with rapists. Charming. God has a plan for rape?

A 14 year old girl gang-raped =wrong
Forcing the same 14/15 year old to carry and bear her rapist's offspring even if her life is in danger = wrong

You have just calculated Wrong + Wrong = right.

Then you say 2 wrongs don't make a right?

Extremist.

Is God sovereign? God does allow evil to accomplish His purpose.

Does not evil make is long for eternity?

How can we being evil accuse God Who is good?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[MarcR]

I believe in freedom of choice UP UNTIL THE TIME OF CONCEPTION!

There are enough easy and accessible ways of preventing pregnancy that if a woman decides not to use them, she has made her choice.

I believe that abortion should be legal only in cases of rape and a real medical threat to the life of the mother.

If a woman is raped, she should not be forced to be perpetually reminded of what was done to her for 9 months.

If a woman is told by her doctor that a pregnancy is likely to kill her [i.e. a tubal pregnancy] she should not be forced to die for the baby.

 

[MarcR]

I believe in freedom of choice UP UNTIL THE TIME OF CONCEPTION!

There are enough easy and accessible ways of preventing pregnancy that if a woman decides not to use them, she has made her choice.

I believe that abortion should be legal only in cases of rape and a real medical threat to the life of the mother.

If a woman is raped, she should not be forced to be perpetually reminded of what was done to her for 9 months.

If a woman is told by her doctor that a pregnancy is likely to kill her [i.e. a tubal pregnancy] she should not be forced to die for the baby.

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I think that a third possible exception might be if a fetus is severely malformed and both parents agree.

This might also be regarded as a legitimate medical decision.

 

[Pontiac]

Oh, but clearly it is murder.

Yes, the baby is murdered. Just so I understand the political correctness that is being birthed in your mind, what do you call what they do to the baby in this scenario? Hint: What they do to the baby is not "save the mums life." That's a cop out; it is not what was done to the baby.

What do they do to the baby?

They "sacrifice" the baby for the welfare of the mother ...

 

[Pontiac]

I believe in freedom of choice UP UNTIL THE TIME OF CONCEPTION!

There are enough easy and accessible ways of preventing pregnancy that if a woman decides not to use them, she has made her choice.

I believe that abortion should be legal only in cases of rape and a real medical threat to the life of the mother.

If a woman is raped, she should not be forced to be perpetually reminded of what was done to her for 9 months.

If a woman is told by her doctor that a pregnancy is likely to kill her [i.e. a tubal pregnancy] she should not be forced to die for the baby.

The "rape" scenario is too easy to fake ... A woman could easily lie about this in order to murder her child simply for her own convenience ... Even with rape, the conception has taken place and a child has begun ... That child now belongs unto God and mankind has no right to take it away from Him in my opinion ... Only if the mother is in danger of death ...

 

[Depleted]

You cannot stop woman from aborting but u can put restrictions and provide a safe place..
plus men have it so easy to get into womans affairs. jeez

A man already got into a "woman's affairs" by the time the baby is created. If you don't want to deal with the abortion, keep the man out of your "affairs."

And, we cannot stop murder either, so should we put in restrictions and give a safe place?

No logic in your arguments. Pure programming.

 

[Depleted]

To clarify ... I am not against any abortion if it is absolutely necessary in order to save the mother's life ... All other abortion is what I am strictly against because it is clearly murder ...

Well, good, so you're only against 99% of all abortions? (The whole "save the mother's life" argument ever held water, because it has always been acceptable to choose which life to save, and now that this is the 21st century, it's usually the case where the mother and baby will be safe, because doctors can now handle medically necessary procedures and surgeries for mother or child, even when the baby isn't born yet. Don't let old strawmen drive your beliefs. Learn the facts instead.)

 

[tourist]

And, we cannot stop murder either, so should we put in restrictions and give a safe place?

I think that what gun control is all about.

 

[Depleted]

I hate abortion. I hate the fact that people do it and I hate it even more that if u make it illegal, people will abort themselves and make even more damage to themselves.
I believe you have to keep it legal with restrictions. I believe we should try to convince them not to abort and have an ear for them but if they really feel they have to, let them. But pregnant woman who want to abort should have to see an abortion for themselves to make them think twice about what they wanna do.

Here in Germany u can abort only under certain circumstances:
in the first 3 months, if raped, if the life of the mother is endangered or any other major reason.

you cant just go and get ur baby removed just like that here.
I think that would be a way to handle it

Straw man argument again. Are abortions safer now than when they were illegal? We don't know. Specific care has been made not to keep the stats about what happens to a woman during an abortion or afterward. Because of that, we have no knowledge how many women have died directly related to having an abortion, nor do we know how many women committed suicide because they realized what they did. We just don't know.

I do remember the days of back-alley abortions. It wasn't legal in Virginia to have an abortion, but it was legal in WVA. $700, a car ride, and a place to stay that night, afforded any girl an abortion. Never heard of a single girl who drove to WVA and didn't return. (And boyfriends and friends all donated money to help the girl, so it was never a financial obstacle to get abortions back then.)

One thing I know for sure though. 10% of my brother's generation, (he's 50 years old now), was never born because abortion became legal almost every where. Five years later, it became legal throughout the US.

And, I was raped and spent the next three weeks trying to figure out what to do if I were pregnant. I never got to the point of deciding if I would keep the baby or put him/her up for adoption, (although I was leaning toward adoption.) I did have enough time to realize it wasn't the baby's fault his/her father was an anal sphincter. No one but no one gets to choose our parents. So why should that baby die just because he/she was conceived in ways I never want to bring a child into the world?

 

[Depleted]

First of all you as a man cannot imagine what it is like for a woman to be raped and being pregnant being forced to carry a child.
Secondly you cannot force everyone to have your belief, there is free will and is free to choose. If u rather have people poisoning themselves and dying of self made abortions, then i dont know what to say anymore. Thats like supporting suicide and murder at the same time. Which also clearly is against Gods word. People are not the way God wanted them so we have to deal with it the way it is.
and if u wanna question my salvation, go ahead I can care less
I simply explained my point and have nothing more to say. U came here asking for opinions

Bull! Do you know what it's like to be raped AND pregnant? Are you saying no one who has never been raped and become pregnant should be able to say anything about it? That rules out 94% of the population, and even more, considering the 12% of woman who will be raped, haven't been raped yet.

And we can't force someone into our beliefs? In that case, open up the prisons, because we forced people into our beliefs.

 

[Depleted]

The point that I am trying to make is that u canot stop abortions by making them illegal. Ud just make things worse. Restrictions are the only way you can go without making anything worse. Legalistic people like you wont take off the delusion and look for themselves though. I should have not expected realistic answers in the first place

I hear you saying it, but history proved you're wrong! Making it illegal stopped the vast majority of women from even thinking to abort.

You're the one pumped full of indoctrination. It has nothing to do with reality.