Should Abortion Be Legal ?

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Pontiac

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ABSOLUTELY NOT !

This world and some women will give all sorts of false reasons why abortion should be legal ...
1) It is my body, I should be able to do with it as I wish ...
2) God gives me free will to do what I want ... etc.

First of all, a child does not firstly belong to any parent ... God clearly states that "all children" belong to Him before they belong to any parent ... Therefore, a woman is not simply deciding what she can do with her own body ... She is carrying another body, another heart and another soul within her ... A body, a heart and a soul that first and foremost belongs unto God ... She is not simply dealing with her own body, so this nullifies false argument number 1 ...

God does give a person free will to do as they choose with their own body and free will to believe as they choose ... However, God does not give a person any free will to murder another human being ... This nullifies false argument number 2 ...

How many people are willing to stand up and admit that abortion is a clear and undeniable abomination of the LORD ? ...

And how many people would like to offer some type of defense for it ? ...
 
Demi777

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You cannot stop woman from aborting but u can put restrictions and provide a safe place..
plus men have it so easy to get into womans affairs. jeez
 
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So Demi, are you supporting it because it cannot entirely be stopped ? ... Or are you opposing it ? ...

Crime also cannot be entirely stopped ... Is that a good reason not to try and prevent it ? ...

The question is: Should abortion be legal or illegal ? ...
 
Demi777

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Pontiac said:
So Demi, are you supporting it because it cannot entirely be stopped ? ... Or are you opposing it ? ...

Crime also cannot be entirely stopped ... Is that a good reason not to try and prevent it ? ...

The question is: Should abortion be legal or illegal ? ...
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I hate abortion. I hate the fact that people do it and I hate it even more that if u make it illegal, people will abort themselves and make even more damage to themselves.
I believe you have to keep it legal with restrictions. I believe we should try to convince them not to abort and have an ear for them but if they really feel they have to, let them. But pregnant woman who want to abort should have to see an abortion for themselves to make them think twice about what they wanna do.

Here in Germany u can abort only under certain circumstances:
in the first 3 months, if raped, if the life of the mother is endangered or any other major reason.

you cant just go and get ur baby removed just like that here.
I think that would be a way to handle it
 
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I remember a time when abortion was illegal in Oz
and one could face the death penalty for aborting a child.

Offences Against the Person Act (1861)which made abortion illegal
under any circumstance.

Then there were backyard abortion clinics where people who
"needed" an abortion went to - coathanger jobs.
Doctor Bertram Wainer (1928–1987) successfully campaigned
for legal access to abortion for women in the state of Victoria.
He argued against women having their lives put at risk by illegal
backyard abortions - some women died from blood loss, etc.

So the laws in Oz were changed to make abortion legal and safe.
At first it was only if the mother's life was at risk, rape or other
severe circumstances.
But given the sinful nature of us humans now it has degenerated
into a contraceptive choice for sex without responsibility or love.
 
Demi777

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Waggles said:
I remember a time when abortion was illegal in Oz
and one could face the death penalty for aborting a child.

Offences Against the Person Act (1861)which made abortion illegal
under any circumstance.

Then there were backyard abortion clinics where people who
"needed" an abortion went to - coathanger jobs.
Doctor Bertram Wainer (1928–1987) successfully campaigned
for legal access to abortion for women in the state of Victoria.
He argued against women having their lives put at risk by illegal
backyard abortions - some women died from blood loss, etc.

So the laws in Oz were changed to make abortion legal and safe.
At first it was only if the mother's life was at risk, rape or other
severe circumstances.
But given the sinful nature of us humans now it has degenerated
into a contraceptive choice for sex without responsibility or love.
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exacly and thats the problem. Thats why I always say restrictions restrictions restrictions
 
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Proven in the Bible, abortion is an absolute abomination of the Lord ... His law says NO ... In order for mankind to follow God, our law must say NO ... Simply because a crime is difficult to enforce is no reason not to have it ... If the government truly wanted to prevent underground abortions you cannot tell me there is not enough money in this country to prevent most of it, especially if the penalty was set at a mandatory 20 years in prison for everyone involved including doctors and the one having the abortion ... God is seriously against this act ... It is not right to willfully allow it to take place ... God has destroyed entire nations for less than this ... He could decide to do it again ... I do not believe a "true Christian" can support such a thing being legal ... It is clearly standing for something God is against ...
 
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Restrictions are garbage ... It should be illegal ... Do you realize the baby's heart is beating at 6 weeks and it is being murdered ... And do you realize these clinics are selling baby parts for a profit ... It is a sordid business is what it is ...
 
Demi777

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First of all you as a man cannot imagine what it is like for a woman to be raped and being pregnant being forced to carry a child.
Secondly you cannot force everyone to have your belief, there is free will and is free to choose. If u rather have people poisoning themselves and dying of self made abortions, then i dont know what to say anymore. Thats like supporting suicide and murder at the same time. Which also clearly is against Gods word. People are not the way God wanted them so we have to deal with it the way it is.
and if u wanna question my salvation, go ahead I can care less
I simply explained my point and have nothing more to say. U came here asking for opinions
 
Demi777

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The point that I am trying to make is that u canot stop abortions by making them illegal. Ud just make things worse. Restrictions are the only way you can go without making anything worse. Legalistic people like you wont take off the delusion and look for themselves though. I should have not expected realistic answers in the first place
 
kaijo

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Pontiac said:
ABSOLUTELY NOT !

This world and some women will give all sorts of false reasons why abortion should be legal ...
1) It is my body, I should be able to do with it as I wish ...
2) God gives me free will to do what I want ... etc.

First of all, a child does not firstly belong to any parent ... God clearly states that "all children" belong to Him before they belong to any parent ... Therefore, a woman is not simply deciding what she can do with her own body ... She is carrying another body, another heart and another soul within her ... A body, a heart and a soul that first and foremost belongs unto God ... She is not simply dealing with her own body, so this nullifies false argument number 1 ...

God does give a person free will to do as they choose with their own body and free will to believe as they choose ... However, God does not give a person any free will to murder another human being ... This nullifies false argument number 2 ...

How many people are willing to stand up and admit that abortion is a clear and undeniable abomination of the LORD ? ...

And how many people would like to offer some type of defense for it ? ...
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Dude. Go wave your flag around on the actual battlefield (i.e pro abortion forums), instead of here, behind the walls, where we all know its against Gods Word.
 
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Demi777 said:
First of all you as a man cannot imagine what it is like for a woman to be raped and being pregnant being forced to carry a child.
Secondly you cannot force everyone to have your belief, there is free will and is free to choose. If u rather have people poisoning themselves and dying of self made abortions, then i dont know what to say anymore. Thats like supporting suicide and murder at the same time. Which also clearly is against Gods word. People are not the way God wanted them so we have to deal with it the way it is.
and if u wanna question my salvation, go ahead I can care less
I simply explained my point and have nothing more to say. U came here asking for opinions
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Here we go with that "free will" argument again ... God does not give humans any "free will" to murder ... I agree rape is a terrible crime, however two wrongs do not make a right ... All things God can do, so He could have prevented any rape if He desired to badly enough ... Did you ever think that God had some reason and wanted that child to be born ... Did you ever think that God has a plan and just maybe you cannot understand it ... God tells us to follow His laws and not to rely upon our own understanding ... Just follow His laws and He will take care of the rest is what He says, but we are not following His law ...

[h=3]Proverbs 3:5-6[/h][h=3][/h] Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

I am telling you the truth Demi, if you hate abortion then you should stand firm with God and oppose it in all forms ... God does not declare that it is ok to murder His children under certain circumstances ... He says they are to live and must not be killed under any circumstances ...

Matthew 18:6 [SUP]6[/SUP]"If anyone causes one of these little ones-those who believe in me-to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

This is the wrath God promises upon those who simply cause a child to "stumble" from the right path ... What do you think God is going to do to those who murder His children ? ... God is serious about this and it would be very wise to take note of what He says ...
 
notuptome

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Conception cannot occur unless God blesses. There are no accidental conceptions with God. If conception occurs in the case of rape or incest it is by the determinate will of God. The child conceived is just as innocent as if it were conceived in a loving and
God fearing relationship.

Is God glorified in abortion? Legal or not does God permit the practice?

Consider the Canaanites.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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kaijo said:
Dude. Go wave your flag around on the actual battlefield (i.e pro abortion forums), instead of here, behind the walls, where we all know its against Gods Word.
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This is "family forum" ... Abortion is associated with family ... You are proof that I am waving my flag on the right battlefield ... If you know it's against God, then why would you attack someone that is trying to get others to see the truth about it ... You cannot speak for everyone here knowing it is against God ... You are highly disrespectful of someone standing up and defending God's wishes ...
 
Lucy-Pevensie

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Pontiac said:
however two wrongs do not make a right ... All things God can do, so He could have prevented any rape if He desired to badly enough ... Did you ever think that God had some reason and wanted that child to be born ... Did you ever think that God has a plan and just maybe you cannot understand it ... God tells us to follow His laws and not to rely upon our own understanding ... Just follow His laws and He will take care of the rest is what He says, but we are not following His law ...

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So now you are putting God onside with rapists. Charming. God has a plan for rape?

A 14 year old girl gang-raped =wrong
Forcing the same 14/15 year old to carry and bear her rapist's offspring even if her life is in danger = wrong

You have just calculated Wrong + Wrong = right.

Then you say 2 wrongs don't make a right?

Extremist.
 
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notuptome said:
Conception cannot occur unless God blesses. There are no accidental conceptions with God. If conception occurs in the case of rape or incest it is by the determinate will of God. The child conceived is just as innocent as if it were conceived in a loving and
God fearing relationship.

Is God glorified in abortion? Legal or not does God permit the practice?

Consider the Canaanites.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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Extremist!

You people scare me.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
So now you are putting God onside with rapists. Charming. God has a plan for rape?

A 14 year old girl gang-raped =wrong
Forcing the same 14/15 year old to carry and bear her rapist's offspring even if her life is in danger = wrong

You have just calculated Wrong + Wrong = right.

Then you say 2 wrongs don't make a right?

Extremist.
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Why did you not include my entire post ? ... Obviously you edited it just like the media edits things to take things out of context ... You purposely left out sentences because they did not fit your agenda ... You think that is clever but it is practicing deception ... My post was very clear I am not in favor of any rape and you know that ... Shame on you for trying to make others believe that I am ... When God allowed the child to be conceived He must have had a plan ... Just because you cannot understand it does not mean God does not have a plan for that child ... Your trickery of editing my post to make it something it was not is not going to work here ... People need to go up the page and read trhat entire post I made and they will easily see where you edited it to fit your agenda ...
 
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