GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[graceNpeace]

right, check it out with the scriptures

but the scriptures won't tell us if the sda folks associate Sunday worship with the mark of the beast

what does it matter? i like to learn about what different groups believe, as well as what other religions believe

What LGF told you about the Mark of the Beast, as Adventist theology sees it, is an accurate reflection in itself.
However, uber conveniently, breaking the 4th commandment makes one as culpable as breaking any other, so any individual in any church who worships on a Sunday is an apostate sinner who carries (will carry) the Mark of the Beast!
So, the Orthodox Church, the RCC, and all Protestants apart from themselves neatly condemned in one go!

 

[graceNpeace]

The only thing you have succeeded in doing is twisting my words.
You asked me to provide a proof from silence - not logically possible.

You however, made a claim that everything you say can be proven from Scripture.
You have made another claim that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents the Torah.
Ergo, there must be biblical proof of this.....

Please, PROVE IT!

Silence is deafening!

Still no proof that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents the Torah....
Cannot be that hard, surely?

 

[Jackson123]

Silence is deafening!

Still no proof that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents the Torah....
Cannot be that hard, surely?

if the tree of the knowledge is torah, than after eat Adam and Eve know the Torah.

 

[Endoscopy]

This is year 5776 according to the Jewish Calendar, but the earth is billions of years old.

Those believing the earth is billions of years old need to explain C14 in Diamonds and soft tissue in dinosaur bones. I can't wait to hear those explanations!!

 

[Gabriel2020]

The earth is billions of years old not because it was pulled out of the water by God, but because it was forming all along in the water. We could say that the creation of all things by God is about 6000 years old. Don't forget what God said. Anything man set their minds to do, they can do it.

 

[Endoscopy]

The earth is billions of years old not because it was pulled out of the water by God, but because it was forming all along in the water. We could say that the creation of all things by God is about 6000 years old. Don't forget what God said. Anything man set their minds to do, they can do it.

Genesis 1:1 AMPC
[FONT=&quot]In the beginning God (prepared, formed, fashioned, and) created the heavens and the earth.

Try again. I reiterate, C14 in Diamonds and soft tissue in dinosaur bones.


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[LoveGodForever]

Originally Posted by graceNpeace

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

Tell you what, how about I promise to show you the scripture in relation to the knowledge of Good and EVil representing God's LAW if you can show me one scripture in God's WORD that says that God's people before Moses did not follow God's TORAH?

You need to take a course in logic, Sunshine!

I think you know full well that I cannot prove something that doesn't exist - I cannot provide a Scripture for something that does not exist!

If you are determined to "hide" behind this laughable tactic - guess what, your reputation will just continue to slide right down the toilet cistern.

LoveGodForever said: ABSOLUTELY that is my point you are making claims for which there is NO SCRIPTURE from God's WORD and you reject God's WORD that says;

God's people were keeping God's TORAH before MOSES; CLICK ME.

Thankyou for being honest.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if
we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

The only thing you have succeeded in doing is twisting my words.
You asked me to provide a proof from silence - not logically possible.

Hello GNP,

What is it you believe I have twisted in your WORDS? Did you not agreed with me that you have NO SCRIPTURE for your belief?
I agreed with you and thanked you for being honest.

You however, made a claim that everything you say can be proven from Scripture.
You have made another claim that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents the Torah. Ergo, there must be biblical proof of this.....Please, PROVE IT!

Did you want to change subject now? I do not mind if you wish to. I asked you earlier for clarification saying are you referring to the other post where I said the knowledge of good and evil represents Gods LAW called FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me?

 

[graceNpeace]

Hello GNP,

What is it you believe I have twisted in your WORDS?

Did you not agreed with me that you have NO SCRIPTURE for your belief?

I agreed with you and thanked you for being honest.



Did you want to change subject now? I do not mind if you wish to. I asked you earlier for clarification saying are you referring to the other post where I said the knowledge of good and evil represents Gods LAW called FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me?

You are still trying to twist my words, I see!

None of your posts have provided any proof that the tree of of the knowledge of good an devil represents the Torah!
You claimed that it does!
You also claimed that you are sola scriptura.
So MR SOLA SCRIPTURA, please provide SCRIPTURAL proof, unequivocal proof, that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents the Torah.
So far, all it is is an assumption...

 

[lightbearer]

An unbiased reading of Colossians 2:16 will show that this is talking about not just "ceremonial Sabbaths." The words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint (the Jewish translation of the Old Testament into Greek).
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Verse 16 starts with "Let no man therefore" Therefore means that what is about to be said is connected to what was previously stated. This fact takes us back to verse 2:14.

Verse 14 “Having blotted out the handwriting to the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”

It is the handwriting to the ordinances that were blotted out not the ordinances themselves and definitely not the Decalogue.

And mind you it is only those which were against us, not those to which described what righteousness is. Those writings are they which describe the Life which is available to us in Christ Jesus. These and the Decalogue are they which are in our hearts, minds, and mouths though Christ's indwelling.

 

[LoveGodForever]

You are still trying to twist my words, I see!

None of your posts have provided any proof that the tree of of the knowledge of good an devil represents the Torah!
You claimed that it does!
You also claimed that you are sola scriptura.
So MR SOLA SCRIPTURA, please provide SCRIPTURAL proof, unequivocal proof, that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represents the Torah.
So far, all it is is an assumption...

I do not claim anything I am a no one. I single voice crying in the wilderness to make straight the paths of the LORD sharing God's WORD. He must increase but I must decrease. Only God's WORD is true and we must believe him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

I asked you what it is in your words you believe I twisted? I even posted everything you said in the posts you sent and that we agreed on. If you do not want to tell me how you think I twisted your words it is ok. I just can't work it out. You said you have no scripture for your belief and I agreed with you and thanked you for being honest. I am not sure what your problem is

 

[PS]

Those believing the earth is billions of years old need to explain C14 in Diamonds and soft tissue in dinosaur bones. I can't wait to hear those explanations!!

I don't know about diamonds, but I do know that an ice-age man was found with food in his stomach covered in flesh. Bodies have also been found in bogs still covered in flesh that has been preserved, and I also know it takes millions of years for coal to form where forests used to be.

I posted this in another thread, please do not be like the flat earth people and clutch onto error the same as some do on here.

Archaeologists have discovered 78 flint tools at a north Norfolk beach, showing that humans arrived in Britain much earlier than previously though.

The tools, found near the village of Happisburgh, were thought to have been laid down between
840, 000 and 950, 000 years ago. The find suggest that humans were living in Britain up to 250, 000 years earlier than the previous thought.

"These tools from Happisburgh are absolutely mint-fresh. They are exceptionally sharp, which suggests they have not moved far from where they were dropped," says Professor Chris Stringer, human origins expert at the Natural History Museum.

It is believed that these early humans were hunter gatherers, living on the banks of the ancient river Thames, which flowed through Norfolk but has long since dried up. They would have lived alongside sabre-tooth cats, hyenas and southern mammoths, and would have travelled to Britain along the land bridge that once connected Britain to the rest of Europe.

The users of these tools are believed to be related to the species Homo antecessor (also known as “Pioneer Man”), although currently no human remains have been found.

"This would be the 'holy grail' of our work" says Professor Stringer.

Read more from the Guardian

British Science Association

http://www.thanet-ghostwatch.org.uk/...hp?f=25&t=2020

 

[PS]

Verse 16 starts with "Let no man therefore" Therefore means that what is about to be said is connected to what was previously stated. This fact takes us back to verse 2:14.

Verse 14 “Having blotted out the handwriting to the ordinances that is against us, that was contrary to us, and he hath taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.”

It is the handwriting to the ordinances that were blotted out not the ordinances themselves and definitely not the Decalogue.

And mind you it is only those which were against us, not those to which described what righteousness is. Those writings are they which describe the Life which is available to us in Christ Jesus. These and the Decalogue are they which are in our hearts, minds, and mouths though Christ's indwelling.

It is God's handwriting that records our offences. The handwriting that records our offences has been blotted out!

And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 20:11-15 KJV)

Our names have been written into the Lambs Book of Life.

 

[graceNpeace]

I do not claim anything I am a no one. I single voice crying in the wilderness to make straight the paths of the LORD sharing God's WORD. He must increase but I must decrease. Only God's WORD is true and we must believe him who calls us in LOVE to LOVE another.

I asked you what it is in your words you believe I twisted? I even posted everything you said in the posts you sent and that we agreed on. If you do not want to tell me how you think I twisted your words it is ok. I just can't work it out. You said you have no scripture for your belief and I agreed with you and thanked you for being honest. I am not sure what your problem is

Spare me the sanctimony!
This is your post from yesterday....

Key points and putting it all together..........

The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE.

Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.

THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment.

God says do not eat of the fruit, lest you DIE. By eating the fruit Adam and Eve chose NOT TO BELIEVE GOD and to BELIEVE the serpent. (UNBELIEF in GOD's WORD)

You have been unable to give any evidence whatsoever for your claim that "THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments"

You have claimed that everything you believe is in Scripture and that you are "sola scriptura", yet somehow you are unable to show any proof for this extraordinary statement!

Please provide the Scriptural proof..............................

 

[LoveGodForever]

Spare me the sanctimony!
This is your post from yesterday....


You have been unable to give any evidence whatsoever for your claim that "THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments"

You have claimed that everything you believe is in Scripture and that you are "sola scriptura", yet somehow you are unable to show any proof for this extraordinary statement!

Please provide the Scriptural proof..............................

Hmm I do not claim anything and there is no need to be cranky GNP we are all friends here. So you want to change the subject now right and talk about the other post now from;

FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me

Correct?

 

[lightbearer]

..... our offences has been blotted out!

Yes but that is not what Colossians 2:14 is referring to. Verse 16 makes it clear that the writer of Colossians is referring to the Book of the Law.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16 KJV)

The word therefore connects verse 16 to verse 14. The ordinances mentioned in verse 16 were handwritten in the book of the Law. Therefore the writer is speaking of the book of the Law in verse 14.

 

[graceNpeace]

Hmm I do not claim anything and there is no need to be cranky GNP we are all friends here. So you want to change the subject now right and talk about the other post now from;

FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me

Correct?

No you need to pony up the proof for that statement....
You have been trying tapdance around this for two days now!

Either provide incontrovertible proof, Scriptural proof OR give an unconditional apology to everyone on this forum for wilfully trying to deceive them!

 

[PS]

Yes but that is not what Colossians 2:14 is referring to. Verse 16 makes it clear that the writer of Colossians is referring to the Book of the Law.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16 KJV)

The word therefore connects verse 16 to verse 14. The ordinances mentioned in verse 16 were handwritten in the book of the Law. Therefore the writer is speaking of the book of the Law in verse 14.

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;.....

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

They are gone, taken out of the way.

 

[LoveGodForever]

No you need to pony up the proof for that statement....
You have been trying tapdance around this for two days now!

Either provide incontrovertible proof, Scriptural proof OR give an unconditional apology to everyone on this forum for wilfully trying to deceive them!

No need to be upset GNP, I do not need to do anything I have provided you with scripture for everything. If you answer my questions I am happy to continue the discussion with you.

You seem to want to change the subject now to the other post in relation to

FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me

This is ok I do not mind. All I asked you is this the post you are referring to? Did you want to talk about this post now? YES/NO?

You seem a little upset so how about you take 5 min off for a breather, answer my question here and let's continue the conversation. What do you say friend?

 

[graceNpeace]

No need to be upset GNP, I do not need to do anything I have provided you with scripture for everything. If you answer my questions I am happy to continue the discussion with you.

You seem to want to change the subject now to the other post in relation to

FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me

This is ok I do not mind. All I asked you is this the post you are referring to? Did you want to talk about this post now? YES/NO?

You seem a little upset so how about you take 5 min off for a breather, answer my question here and let's continue the conversation. What do you say friend?

I quoted the post in question!
You know exactly what the issue is, yet you try and play dumb...

please provide scriptural proof for this statement from you: "THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments" OR you need to unconditionally apologise to this forum for wilfully trying to deceive them!

 

[PS]

No need to be upset GNP, I do not need to do anything I have provided you with scripture for everything. If you answer my questions I am happy to continue the discussion with you.

You seem to want to change the subject now to the other post in relation to

FIRST LIE IN THE GARDEN OF EDEN AND FALSE TEACHERS. Click me

This is ok I do not mind. All I asked you is this the post you are referring to? Did you want to talk about this post now? YES/NO?

You seem a little upset so how about you take 5 min off for a breather, answer my question here and let's continue the conversation. What do you say friend?

And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. (Gen 2:16-17 KJV)

One commandment is not the Torah.