Not By Works
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For starters notice the grey Brahma Bull in the back ground with a saddle on. Well just by judging this hostile scene it appears the gentleman in the gray suit possibly made fun of the other guys mode of transportation, a Brahma Bull, and ka-pow, the guys beautiful quarter horse goes down in the dirt. Was he an angry person or did the other jerk make him angry, ya see.
For example this cowboy has some definite anger issues.
Hello, Cee, thank you, and it is always nice to see you 
We obviously are not talking about the same people Then again, you do not seem to be here as much, so you may not see what some others see on a regular basis. In fact, a former member who has since been banned, said he WAS worthy, as opposed to having put on the worthiness of Christ... as if he earned his salvation by his good works, works that included his misrepresenting what people said and what they believed. He was one of those who condemned others quite often, and making allowances for his misunderstandings, trying to set the record straight with him, as it were, did no good once he set himself on a mission to malign (which is probably why he was banned, come to think of it).
Those people who say -paraphrase!- they have God working in their lives while they sit at home twiddling their thumbs and doing nothing, will waste no time in condemning others for not having good works to show for their salvation. They deem themselves worthy of judging what people do when they are not here (even though they don't know these things), and go after anyone who places their faith in Christ to keep His promise to never leave us or forsake us, and to finish the good work He began in us, while they brag about how God is working in their lives, all the while slandering and misrepresenting others. I don't know but to say that seeing such things is pretty disgusting from my point of view, and it makes me feel dirty just watching it, let alone being called upon to speak about it. It brings to mind that saying about not wrestling with a pig in the muck, because the pig likes it, but you won't.
We obviously are not talking about the same people
Then again, you do not seem to be here as much, so you may not see what some others see on a regular basis. In fact, a former member who has since been banned, said he WAS worthy, as opposed to having put on the worthiness of Christ... as if he earned his salvation by his good works, works that included his misrepresenting what people said and what they believed. He was one of those who condemned others quite often, and making allowances for his misunderstandings, trying to set the record straight with him, as it were, did no good once he set himself on a mission to malign (which is probably why he was banned, come to think of it). Those people who say -paraphrase!- they have God working in their lives while they sit at home twiddling their thumbs and doing nothing, will waste no time in condemning others for not having good works to show for their salvation. They deem themselves worthy of judging what people do when they are not here (even though they don't know these things), and go after anyone who places their faith in Christ to keep His promise to never leave us or forsake us, and to finish the good work He began in us, while they brag about how God is working in their lives, all the while slandering and misrepresenting others. I don't know but to say that seeing such things is pretty disgusting from my point of view, and it makes me feel dirty just watching it, let alone being called upon to speak about it. It brings to mind that saying about not wrestling with a pig in the muck, because the pig likes it, but you won't.
Hello, Cee, thank you, and it is always nice to see you
We obviously are not talking about the same people Then again, you do not seem to be here as much, so you may not see what some others see on a regular basis. In fact, a former member who has since been banned, said he WAS worthy, as opposed to having put on the worthiness of Christ... as if he earned his salvation by his good works, works that included his misrepresenting what people said and what they believed. He was one of those who condemned others quite often, and making allowances for his misunderstandings, trying to set the record straight with him, as it were, did no good once he set himself on a mission to malign (which is probably why he was banned, come to think of it).
Those people who say -paraphrase!- they have God working in their lives while they sit at home twiddling their thumbs and doing nothing, will waste no time in condemning others for not having good works to show for their salvation. They deem themselves worthy of judging what people do when they are not here (even though they don't know these things), and go after anyone who places their faith in Christ to keep His promise to never leave us or forsake us, and to finish the good work He began in us, while they brag about how God is working in their lives, all the while slandering and misrepresenting others. I don't know but to say that seeing such things is pretty disgusting from my point of view, and it makes me feel dirty just watching it, let alone being called upon to speak about it. It brings to mind that saying about not wrestling with a pig in the muck, because the pig likes it, but you won't.
We obviously are not talking about the same people
Then again, you do not seem to be here as much, so you may not see what some others see on a regular basis. In fact, a former member who has since been banned, said he WAS worthy, as opposed to having put on the worthiness of Christ... as if he earned his salvation by his good works, works that included his misrepresenting what people said and what they believed. He was one of those who condemned others quite often, and making allowances for his misunderstandings, trying to set the record straight with him, as it were, did no good once he set himself on a mission to malign (which is probably why he was banned, come to think of it). Those people who say -paraphrase!- they have God working in their lives while they sit at home twiddling their thumbs and doing nothing, will waste no time in condemning others for not having good works to show for their salvation. They deem themselves worthy of judging what people do when they are not here (even though they don't know these things), and go after anyone who places their faith in Christ to keep His promise to never leave us or forsake us, and to finish the good work He began in us, while they brag about how God is working in their lives, all the while slandering and misrepresenting others. I don't know but to say that seeing such things is pretty disgusting from my point of view, and it makes me feel dirty just watching it, let alone being called upon to speak about it. It brings to mind that saying about not wrestling with a pig in the muck, because the pig likes it, but you won't.
Yet every day he spent time away from a Congregation of believers he was attacked by those who put forth a pretense of being christian.
Every day this young man was beaten down and told he would amount to nothing.
And so over time the young believer has many missgivings about our Lord and savior because of how the person who put forth the pretense of being a believer abused the
. Then the enemy creeps in to quench the Spirit, and even put obstacles in the way of the blind while cursing the deaf.
what do you mean by live? eternal life is given to the saved, and eternal death is the consequence of sin. This life isn't worth living with so much pain and suffering but we have a chance to accept the gift of eternal life, and share it with others. So this world is like a second chance, time of probation, before the judgement.
NO IT IS NOT PART OF SALVATION.
YES IT IS WHAT WE DO AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED.
THAT IS TO LOVE HIM AND THE BRETHREN.
1 John 3:14-19 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But whoever has this world's goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him.
IT IS PART OF GOD"S LOVE THAT HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT POUR INTO OUR HEARTS. {Ref: Rom. 5:5}
YES IT IS WHAT WE DO AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN SAVED.
THAT IS TO LOVE HIM AND THE BRETHREN.
1 John 3:14-19 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] By this we know love, because He laid down His life for us. And we also ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But whoever has this world's goods, and sees his brother in need, and shuts up his heart from him, how does the love of God abide in him?
[SUP]18 [/SUP] My little children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And by this we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before Him.
IT IS PART OF GOD"S LOVE THAT HE HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT POUR INTO OUR HEARTS. {Ref: Rom. 5:5}
J
Hmmm which Faith?
there is Faith meaning Trust or faith meaning religion or faith in something or someone.
Dead faith is meaning when referring to faith in God or Jesus or those that have faith in objects or people,the heart of any faith is "truth" for example say a preacher for hire(they do exist) preaches an entire sermon about saving faith in either works or Jesus or both but he himself does not believe in what he preaches nor does he minister outside of being "in a church" this means the preacher has "dead faith" for one with "dead faith" does for one's self for profit and their words "don't carry",dead faith as James exclaimed is "wasting one's life for trivial purposes" and "trusting noone entirely" nor any one belief outside of what is before them.
To be honest both works and faith alone"Have saved",but what is exclaimed of "show me your faith without works and I will show you my faith with works" is referring to "equality" for both in past time have saved and to boast of either one is likened unto "shouting into the wind" and "expecting the wind to answer" but when "you have faith in a truth due to making up your mind regarding God/Jesus"
you must "keep to it".
If your faith is through Jesus alone then that is what you must stand by, if your faith is in works alone to serve God then you must stand by this,if your faith is through Jesus and works then you must stand by it,otherwise you are just "confounding your self and others".
Faith inevitably "must have a beginning" and it must "have certainty" for it to "Save" for if it is not established then it is just as useful as a brittle piece of armor after a rainstorm.
there is Faith meaning Trust or faith meaning religion or faith in something or someone.
Dead faith is meaning when referring to faith in God or Jesus or those that have faith in objects or people,the heart of any faith is "truth" for example say a preacher for hire(they do exist) preaches an entire sermon about saving faith in either works or Jesus or both but he himself does not believe in what he preaches nor does he minister outside of being "in a church" this means the preacher has "dead faith" for one with "dead faith" does for one's self for profit and their words "don't carry",dead faith as James exclaimed is "wasting one's life for trivial purposes" and "trusting noone entirely" nor any one belief outside of what is before them.
To be honest both works and faith alone"Have saved",but what is exclaimed of "show me your faith without works and I will show you my faith with works" is referring to "equality" for both in past time have saved and to boast of either one is likened unto "shouting into the wind" and "expecting the wind to answer" but when "you have faith in a truth due to making up your mind regarding God/Jesus"
you must "keep to it".
If your faith is through Jesus alone then that is what you must stand by, if your faith is in works alone to serve God then you must stand by this,if your faith is through Jesus and works then you must stand by it,otherwise you are just "confounding your self and others".
Faith inevitably "must have a beginning" and it must "have certainty" for it to "Save" for if it is not established then it is just as useful as a brittle piece of armor after a rainstorm.
