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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 5:9, “And having been perfected, He became the Causer of everlasting salvation to all those obeying Him.”[/FONT]
 

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Hi truthtalk...Instead of putting everyone on ignore , why not lead them to Jesus if you believe they they are on the wrong the path...How are you showing yourself to be the salt :confused:...I ask this because you show and claim aloud to people those you put on ignore , Jesus is long suffering...xox...
Firstly I do not put everyone on ignore, 2nd I never said or suggested they are on the "wrong path" It is common knowledge that when you "put someone on ignore", that you give notice at least to the thread where you are have a conversation otherwise people will not understand why you have not acknowledged them.

Your first two accusations are not true, and your third complaint about me makes no sense. Placing someone on ignore is a proper thing to do when you do not wish to have a dialog with them. And I do not put "everyone on ignore" as you say I do, something to think about.
 
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The Apostles . disciples always questioned Jesus , He never tired , He brought them to His truth...Humans tire , not those in Christ Jesus...xox...
And actually Rosemary "everyone tires" even while in Christ,we can try our best but we "have our limits" a person can become "agitated" eventually and "misstep" even David a man after God's own heart "misstepped" multiple times.
 

Rosemaryx

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No I fully understand,some like benhur are still at the "ego" phase,and "no it all" phase,both can last forever if one "wants" them to.
Are you not also showing ego in your response...What are you not agreeing with...xox...Ben is showing a gentle spirit to me , may not be seen by you , he may be seeing seeing different by you , if so , should you not show the path , hostility is a sin , an awful sin, Jesus said Luke 18:16 But Jesus called the children to him and said, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these...

Ben has a gentle spirit in him , can you not see it...He has meekness in him , I feel it through his post , if this is not so , am I also not a child of God ,
:confused:...xox...
 

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Are we to judge that child...xox...In GODS eyes he is a child of God , we all misunderstand each other , does not mean we are no child of God , we must be very careful who we ignore , we are ALL fallen...xox...
If you believe you have a heart to minister to benhur then you should follow God's leading, I believe he is insincere, at best.
 

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Firstly I do not put everyone on ignore, 2nd I never said or suggested they are on the "wrong path" It is common knowledge that when you "put someone on ignore", that you give notice at least to the thread where you are have a conversation otherwise people will not understand why you have not acknowledged them.

Your first two accusations are not true, and your third complaint about me makes no sense. Placing someone on ignore is a proper thing to do when you do not wish to have a dialog with them. And I do not put "everyone on ignore" as you say I do, something to think about.
Sorry tt , but you do kind of shout from the hill tops those you put on ignore , maybe i am next...I find you have very little patience that rub you up the wrong way , you shout out your stance to thoe who do not agree with you , actually you shout out out to those who you disagree with :eek: , but Jesus is not like that , He led those to the clear water , do you know like myself I have come to understand on this thread by I am saved by Gods grace , no works less I should boast , could you imagine if I was ignored by thinking other wise , it could of led me to be lost , this forum has brought me to truth , not by putting me on ignore , ignorant people need help , not being ignored...How do you feel if Jesus ignored you...xox...
 

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If you believe you have a heart to minister to benhur then you should follow God's leading, I believe he is insincere, at best.
Personally I do think he is.

But having said that I think I'm in his ignore list as he as not responded to my most recent posts to him.

Probably just like some others?
 
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Rosemaryx

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Personally I do think he is.

But having said that I think I'm in his ignore list as he as not responded to my most recent posts to him.
Why does my heart feel soft to him...xox...
 

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Why does my heart feel soft to him...xox...
Why is a soft heart so gullible ...Are people saying Ben is a wolf , I can not see that , his heart is soft , he is seeking , we must not be so fast to judge , I like Ben...xox...
 

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Why does my heart feel soft to him...xox...
That's because it's your heart.

It's not a heart that wishes to slag them off and slap them down and be nasty.
It's a heart that is willing to talk and express what you think the Bible is saying.

Unlike some who basically slag you off in public on here and make you feel like a twat.
That's their purpose.

That's not yours, thank God
 
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Why does my heart feel soft to him...xox...
Simple you undoubtedly are "endeared" to him,could be you can answer his many questions and help him through learning what it is to get "self out of the way" and "make room for the holy spirit" I will respond to him now and then just like most"everyone else" I talk to but I do think he's "grasping at straws" at times and trying to "incite others" for whatever reason so I'll just respond when I think he's being "serious" and "honest".
 

Rosemaryx

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That's because it's your heart.

It's not a heart that wishes to slag them off and slap them down and be nasty.
It's a heart that is willing to talk and express what you think the Bible is saying.

Unlike some who basically slag you off in public on here and make you feel like a twat.
That's their purpose.

That's not yours, thank God
Amen brother Bill , this forum sometimes is showing how what hard hearts means , it is visible...xox...
 
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Why is a soft heart so gullible ...Are people saying Ben is a wolf , I can not see that , his heart is soft , he is seeking , we must not be so fast to judge , I like Ben...xox...
How was Jesus "seen"?
Many saw him as Christ,and many like the Pharisees saw him as a blasphemer,what one "sees" is not necessarily "what is true" like even today we each take a "look" toward Jesus to know who he was and is and then sometimes we have to "look again" to be "sure" before we accept him.
 

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Simple you undoubtedly are "endeared" to him,could be you can answer his many questions and help him through learning what it is to get "self out of the way" and "make room for the holy spirit" I will respond to him now and then just like most"everyone else" I talk to but I do think he's "grasping at straws" at times and trying to "incite others" for whatever reason so I'll just respond when I think he's being "serious" and "honest".
Joe...I just feel to respond when the Holy Spirit calls me to respond , not by what man says...Ben has a gentle spirit , yet so many come up against him , we must be meek and mild , not condescending...xox...
 
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WERE YOU SENT BY GOD?

Luke 6:43-45 A Tree and Its Fruit “No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. FOR OUT OF THE OVERFLOW OF HIS HEART , HIS MOUTH SPEAKS..

WHO ARE CLAIMING TO BE “STILL SINNERS” OUT OF THE OVERFLOW OF THEIR HEART???

John 3:34 For the one whom GOD HAS SENT speaks the words of God,
for God gives the Spirit without limit.



This thread and it’s author implies that there’s no need for works to a FAITH ALONE that SAVES(faith void of works).

SALVATION IS NOT BY WORKS IF IT’S APART FROM FAITH (eph 2:8-9) JUST AS FAITH ALONE APART FROM WORKS OF LOVE,OBEDIENCE AND FAITH IS DEAD (james 2:14-26)

IF WE ARE THE BODY OF CHRIST WHOM HE WILL SAVE (eph 5:23) AREN’T WE EXPECTED TO OBEY HIS COMMANDS (john 14:12-15)AND DO HIS WORKS OF SALVATION (1cor 3:9, 12:28 mat 25:21-30, 9:37-38 eph 4:12-13, rom 12: 3-8, 1 tim 4:16) AS WE ARE TO DO HIS WILL HERE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN (mat 6:10)

John 4:34-38 “My food,” said Jesus, “is TO DO THE WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME AND TO FINISH HIS WORK. Do you not say, ‘Four months more and then the harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. Even now the reaper draws his wages, even now HE HARVESTS THE CROP FOR ETERNAL LIFE, so that the sower and the reaper may be GLAD TOGETHER. Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true. I SENT YOU to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and YOU HAVE REAPED THE BENEFITS OF THEIR LABOR.”

John 5:36 “I have testimony weightier than that of John. For the very work that the Father has given me to finish, and WHICH I AM DOING, TESTIFIES that the Father has SENT me.

John 6:39-40 And this is the will of him who SENT me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and BELIEVES IN HIM, SHALL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, and I will raise him up at the last day.”

John 7:18 HE WHO SPEAKS ON HIS OWN does so to gain honor for himself, but HE WHO WORKS FOR THE HONOR OF THE ONE WHO SENT HIM IS A MAN OF TRUTH; there is nothing false about him.

John 9:4-5 As long as it is day, WE MUST DO THE WORK OF HIM WHO SENT ME. Night is coming, when no one can work. While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”

John 17:18 As you sent me into the world, I have SENT THEM into the world.

John 20:21-22 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I AM SENDING YOU.” And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

ONE SURE WAY TO RECOGNIZE THOSE WHO WERE NOT SENT ACCORDING TO THE VERSES ABOVE IS TO KNOW WHAT THEY DO.

DO THEY PREACH AGAINST THE WORKS THAT GOD HAS PREPARED IN ADVANCE FOR US TO DO BY SAYING THAT: “FAITH ALONE SAVES AND IT IS VOID OF WORKS.”?

DO THEY PREACH THAT; “WORKS ARE WORKS ARE WORKS.”?
THAT OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S COMMANDMENTS CANNOT SAVE EVEN THOSE BELIEVERS WHO CONFESS WITH THEIR MOUTHS THAT JESUS IS LORD AND BELIEVE IN THEIR HEARTS THAT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD.

DO THEY PREACH THAT SINCE THEY WERE ALREADY SAVED, THEY WILL ALWAYS BE SAVED REGARDLESS OF THEIR WILLFUL AND CONTINUOUS SINNING(manifested by their arguments against those who push for continuous faith and are against willful sinning).

DO THEY PROMOTE SIN BY SAYING THAT THOSE WHO ARE CLAIMING THAT THOSE BORN AGAIN IN THE SPIRIT IS A NEW CREATION AND THEREFORE MUST NOT SIN OR CEASE FROM SINNING, ARE LIARS ACCDG. TO 1JOHN 1:8 WHICH THEY LOVE TO QUOTE BUT REJECTING THE WHOLE TRUTH EXPRESSED IN THE BIBLE? WHICH ONLY PROVES THIS VERSES BELOW TO BE TRUE:

Romans 8:5-9 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds SET ON WHAT THE SPIRIT DESIRES. The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; the sinful mind is hostile to God. IT DOES NOT SUBMIT TO GOD’S LAW, nor can it do so. Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God. You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, HE DOES NOT BELONG TO CHRIST.

WOULD THE SPIRIT OF GOD DESIRE SIN?

Galatians 2:17-18 “If, while we seek to be justified in Christ, it becomes EVIDENT that we ourselves are SINNERS, does that mean that Christ PROMOTES SIN? Absolutely not! If I rebuild what I destroyed, I prove that I am a lawbreaker.

Romans 6:15 What then? SHALL WE SIN because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!

1 Corinthians 6:17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is ONE WITH HIM IN SPIRIT.

John 16:13 But when he, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11,15-20 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? DO NOT BE DECEIVED: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. AND THAT IS WHAT SOME OF YOU WERE. But you were WASHED, you were SANCTIFIED, you were JUSTIFIED in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.” But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit. Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

Galatians 6:7-8 DO NOT BE DECEIVED, GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

1 John 2:3-6 We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

John 14:31 but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I DO EXACTLY WHAT .MY FATHER HAS COMMANDED ME. “Come now; let us leave.

Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were STILL SINNERS, Christ died for us.

Romans 6:21-23 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ASHAMED OF? Those things result in death! But NOW that you have been SET FREE FROM SIN and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to HOLINESS, and the result is ETERNAL LIFE. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life IN CHRIST JESUS OUR LORD.

Romans 1:32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only CONTINUE TO DO these very things but also APPROVE of those who practice them.

John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not be guilty of sin. Now, however, they have no excuse for their sin.

Psalm 49:13-14 This is the fate of those who trust in themselves, and of THEIR FOLLOWERS, who APPROVE their sayings. Selah Like sheep they are destined for the grave, and death will feed on them. The upright will rule over them in the morning; their forms will decay in the grave, far from their princely mansions.

THEREFORE:

Romans 10:14-15 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? AND HOW CAN THEY PREACH UNLESS THEY ARE SENT? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!”
 
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Joe...I just feel to respond when the Holy Spirit calls me to respond , not by what man says...Ben has a gentle spirit , yet so many come up against him , we must be meek and mild , not condescending...xox...
Of course people do,so long as he seeks an audience he shall receive people either for or against what he believes,just the same as me or you.
 

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Joe...I just feel to respond when the Holy Spirit calls me to respond , not by what man says...Ben has a gentle spirit , yet so many come up against him , we must be meek and mild , not condescending...xox...
Rosemary , he may have a gentle spirit , but he adds to the Gospel by saying Baptism is necessary , so according to Paul he is accursed
 

BillG

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Amen brother Bill , this forum sometimes is showing how what hard hearts means , it is visible...xox...
Our walk with our brothers and sisters in Christ is to build each other up and correct in love.

Alas some forget this and take delight in humiliating others.

Very sad indeed.