dcontroversal claims to know "the truth" and care about "the truth"
Everyone who he regards as opposing his position he calls "all workers for and sinless perfectionists"
So he lies all the time, literally. You cannot stand for a Holy Righteous God who is precise
in His words and rebukes, and claim to be His spokesperson, condemning people to hell and
damnation, while lying so badly about who is in this evil group and who is not.
So everything is this binary, yes no simplification. Maybe this is all he can cope with, and
how he defines what is real and what is illusion. If you as a reader, member, contributor
agree with this approach, you yourself are lying. This has nothing to do with God, but is
some cultural identity grouping, angry at the world, and wanting to have a simple solution
by which to find this world guilty of the evil and the speaker innocent.
Once people lie like this, nothing in their isolation lifestyle is real or true. Until they begin
to show signs of recognizing the complexity and difficulties of life and where people are,
there is little hope that truth or God can speak into this situation.
Only with a pure heart will you see God. So go to Christ, repent and find a pure heart.
that's funny, you call calling out doc as a liar. someone who moves to a different country, drops 20 years off their age, and is not even supposed to be here calls someone else a liar, and talks about purity. honesty is part of purity.
like pretty much every legalist / sinless perfectionist I have interacted with, you constantly lecture others about sin while conveniently overlooking yours.
Greeting gb9,
You make me laugh, and cry.
At least you are happy in your contributions, though very confused about what is true
and what is not.
Again, how can you know for sure when it says 'one baptism' it is refering to the baptism of the Spirit, and not water baptism?
And what scripture in 1 Corinthians 1-4 says the minute you believe the gospel you are saved?
glad I can activate your emotions . now, if we could just find that truth and honesty switch....
gb9, until you come to realize everyone is not like you, you are who you are, and others are
who they are.
Medics thought male and female animals were the same in terms of reaction to chemicals,
pain, disease until quite recently. They then discovered they were wrong, and females
responded differently so all their results were wrong.
20% of the population have addictive personalities.
This means behavior patterns are easily adopted with strong rewards like gambling and alcohol.
Others have strong sexual drives and many variations not fully understood.
In the evangelical world there is a belief all are equal before God.
But this is plainly not true. Some conform to rules and social obligations easily, while others
are very rebellious and find any restrictions hard to accept.
But for you legalists, we are all the same, and have the same issues and hangups.
And until you start listening and stop projecting, you will not discover the world is not what
you think and people are more fluid and changeable than you can imagine.
So I know I am not like you, or even conform to your stero-types. I am though a saint who
knows Jesus and His word, which you appear to be ignorant of.
Now if you want to share blessing in the Lord, Amen, else what can I appreciate other than
your failure to engage with the clear goal Christ gives us to have a pure heart and Holy
walk, which appear to be beyond you, even in your faith in Christ. Grace and peace to you
in Christ Jesus.
that's funny, you call calling out doc as a liar. someone who moves to a different country, drops 20 years off their age, and is not even supposed to be here calls someone else a liar, and talks about purity. honesty is part of purity.
like pretty much every legalist / sinless perfectionist I have interacted with, you constantly lecture others about sin while conveniently overlooking yours.
meant to post 1st Cor 15 1-4
that scripture tells us we are saved the moment we believe the Gospel
1st Cor 12 verse 13
For by one spirit , we are all baptized into one body , whether Jews or Gentiles , whether slaves or free , and have all been made to drink into one spirit
We know its a spiritual baptism , you can look at all the scripture that talks about the spiritual Baptism in this dispensation
If there is only 1 , and we know there is a spiritual one ( cause Scripture tells us ) then we know its a spiritual one
this is why is so important to rightly understand what sin is. it does not matter what the sin is, all sin defiles and is unacceptable to God. it does not matter if the sin is intentional or unintentional.
when one wrongly thinks like you, and tries to conflate things, one cannot see what sin truly is, how deep and evil it is, and we need the righteousness of a perfect, sinless savior to cover and forgive.
yes, all people are different, all personalities are different. all sin is the same . it defiles. God will not accept anything with a blemish. O.T. sacrifice system.
that's funny, you call calling out doc as a liar. someone who moves to a different country, drops 20 years off their age, and is not even supposed to be here calls someone else a liar, and talks about purity. honesty is part of purity.
like pretty much every legalist / sinless perfectionist I have interacted with, you constantly lecture others about sin while conveniently overlooking yours.
absolutely
this is so true....
i would be surprised he has the nerve to even continue posting if i thought his heart even had a spec left that wasnt stone
LLH is filled with lies and false accusations unrepented of
a broken gospel that rejects the simplicity in Christ
his words are made to manipulate
and when i used to see his posts
they reek of ignorance
and deceit
he needs faith in Christ
and to repent from his unbelief in His name
Some seem to mistake the objective of participating in forums with domination of one point
of view.
We all bring our own experiences and perspectives, and given our backgrounds some might
find this hard to take.
I love to here from the Lord through other peoples inspiration and testimony, which is why
forums are such a blessing,
grace and Peace to you
im only bringing scripture
my "point of view" has always been subject to change based on Gods inspired written word
those beliefs that are obvious lies
are cursed and those who push them are to be as well
those who God has revealed the truth too here
only wish to correct those who are trying to spread a false gospel
all different members of the body wish to shine light on these who are currently functioning as wolves in order they be born again as sheep
some with a gentle hand to try to guide
other with a forceful arm wishing to yank them from the broad path
its a shame some have eyes that dont see
and ears that dont hear
because the truth lies in Jesus finished work on the cross
by His grace through faith we can be saved
and it is not of our works
those who are His
remain His
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
"those beliefs that are obvious lies
are cursed and those who push them are to be as well"
"functioning as wolves"
These are strong words, dangerous accusations.
In the past such words have led to one group actually killing another over
points of view of faith, claiming the other side were really xxxxxxxxxxxx evil.
It is always easy to do this than understand why things are said and believed.
So I suggest rather than cursing scripture, and cursing believers, you actually
take time to let the Lord show you what love is and how it works.
Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus
notice i said those who function as wolves are those who preach a false gospel
and im not going to kill anyone
so rest easy
My friend, I do not know what you are going to do.
But you said
Your heart will limit how far your emotions run.
But cursing believers and beliefs generally is not a good idea, endangers your eternal future.
You need to know the Spirit who you follow, and what are His ways.
Unfortunately those who go down this road you are travelling harden their hearts to the extent
they know how to lash out, but not much more, and have become captives of their passions.
grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus, Amen
you said i cursed scripture
i said false gospels are cursed
those who spread them are CURRENTLY FUNCTIONING AS wolves
i hope God opens your eyes "light"
you did falsely accuse me
but i was once also functioning as a wolf
until God showed me the truth
if you are offended by what i said
that should tell you something
So I am falsely accusing you of cursing beliefs and believers?
And my concern over your spiritual state by cursing should tell me I have problems?
My friend, God help the confused soul you have become,
grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.
you are confused
these are your words
"
So I suggest rather than cursing scripture, and cursing believers, you actually"
i never once cursed anyone
i said FALSE preachers ARE cursed BASED on
SCRIPTURE
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
you have now been a false witness over and over
you are in error
beliefs that are obvious lies
are cursed and those who push them are to be as well
those who God has revealed the truth too here
only wish to correct those who are trying to spread a false gospel
all different members of the body wish to shine light on these who are currently functioning as wolves in order they be born again as sheep
I wonder at the animosity people have in their hearts.
Does anyone need a clearer signal than, Jesus is not here, I have serious problems
and am trying very hard to cover them up.
Grapes and figs, or thorns and thistles.
Gentleness and a humble heart, or strident putting people in their place, which is it?
A young child in a nursery could spot the differences. People want spiritual authority
and recognition so badly and think bullying and harrying actually is the road to walk.
Grace and peace to you all, in Christ Jesus who humbled himself and went to the cross
for our sins, Amen
i cant speak for everyone
but since you have been talking directly to me
i forgive you
and have no animosity despite your lies and false witnesses
and character attacks even if you refuse to admit your error
if i bold or make something big
its in hopes you understand what i mean
My friend, you have said I lied. I told you how your words came across and reflected
back a warning. People love to play innocents, I never meant the curse on them no
on them because they really really deserve it.
And making it bigger, fonts just means you are so emotionally carried away you cannot
accept some simply do not agree with you. But that should be ok.
Wisdom. If someone with a good heart points something out that is a problem saying
they are lying and bearing a false witness just testifies about who you are and nothing else.
This is behaviour of thorns and thistles, not grace and love.
I hold no animosity towards you, I have met this approach before, a steam train wanting to
push all before it. I admire the enthusiasm, but not the content.
And your words, God forgive your extreme expressions of sin and accusation.
Grace and peace to you
i corrected you BEFORE i said you lied
i let you know you falsely accused me
then you rejected reproof
even after i TOLD you what i said
and showed you
quoted it to show you where you first misunderstood
you rejected this
after that it was a lie
I wish you knew the difference between what is written, what it is meant to mean,
what it does mean, what others interpret it to mean.
Your intended meaning is only one part of this.
Your accusation I am lying compounds your approach and confirms your failure
in both communication, being rude, condescending, accusatory, aggressive and
abusive. But this was my actual point, which you have just made a lot clearer
though you are blind to this reality.
You really think people desiring to follow Jesus are cursed and their sharing is cursed?
This is why I am sad, because again this speaks of your failure to grasp some basic
principles from scripture, the Lord, and just simple relationships in life. Maybe a lack
of friends and isolation leads you to this viewpoint, I do not know, but it is not healthy
at any level.
did i say that?
No.
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
you go ahead and keep making false accusations
i never cursed anyone or anything
i said false preachers are cursed
i never said believers
i said false preachers (who pervert the gospel of Christ)
i never said scripture
i said false gospel
and when i said currently functioning as a wolf
i implied they too can come to the truth by "currently"
if you are asking if i think
"You really think people desiring to follow Jesus are cursed and their sharing is cursed"
1944. epikataratos ►
Strong's Concordance
epikataratos: accursed
Original Word: ἐπικατάρατος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: epikataratos
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-kat-ar'-at-os)
Short Definition: accursed
Definition: on whom a curse has been invoked, accursed, doomed to destruction.
^^^^^^^
if these are sheep in error
they will hear Gods call
repent from their false gospel
and come to the true gospel of Christ
if these functioning as wolves
stay wolves and deny the true gospel
they are cursed "accursed"
again
incase you missed it
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed
absolutely
this is so true....
i would be surprised he has the nerve to even continue posting if i thought his heart even had a spec left that wasnt stone
LLH is filled with lies and false accusations unrepented of
a broken gospel that rejects the simplicity in Christ
his words are made to manipulate
and when i used to see his posts
they reek of ignorance
and deceit
he needs faith in Christ
and to repent from his unbelief in His name
Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from the heart.
For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God.
For, "All men are like grass, and all their glory is like the flowers of the field; the grass withers and the flowers fall,
1 Peter 1:22-24
In a large house there are articles not only of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay; some are for noble purposes and some for ignoble.
If a man cleanses himself from the latter, he will be an instrument for noble purposes, made holy, useful to the Master and prepared to do any good work.
Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Timothy 2:20-23
For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea.
They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.
They all ate the same spiritual food
and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.
Nevertheless, God was not pleased with most of them; their bodies were scattered over the desert.
Now these things occurred as examples to keep us from setting our hearts on evil things as they did.
1 Corinthians 10:1-6
Here is the truth, God brings all who listen to be close to Him, but it does not
mean He is pleased with all of them, only a few.
So be very careful how you walk, as Paul says
So, if you think you are standing firm, be careful that you don't fall!
No temptation has seized you except what is common to man. And God is faithful; he will not let you be tempted beyond what you can bear. But when you are tempted, he will also provide a way out so that you can stand up under it.
1 Corinthians 10:12-13
These sinners, wish to seduce as many who will listen that they can never fall,
and falling is gold lined and has no consequences in Gods love.
It is this foolishness that the goats will listen to, but not the sheep.
notice the 2nd to last paragraph. these sinners. not us sinners.
this shows the self-righteous mindset at work. these sinners, failing once again to say that we ALL sin and fall short of the glory of God.
but no, let's bring God's standards down to our level, let's redefine and sidestep and explain away sin until we come out sinless, by using our own definitions that we make and change at our whims, so we always come out pure and holy, even when we have others clearly pointing out lies and deception. just ignore it and condem them as not knowing Jesus.
that is what l.l. h. does daily.
Dear reader,
This sinner, identifies with their unpurified, unholy, unforgiven state, rather than being a Holy
redeemed saint, walking in the grace of God.
I once was a sinner, but now am a redeemed saint, part of the Holy people of God.
It is why Christ came to redeem us and make us whole, pure, a people purchased by
His blood. Just listen to Paul
Therefore, as God's chosen people, holy and dearly loved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience. Bear with each other and forgive whatever grievances you may have against one another. Forgive as the Lord forgave you. And over all these virtues put on love, which binds them all together in perfect unity.
Colossians 3:12-14
Do not let these liars and sinners take away from you the inheritance of
faith Christ has purchased for you and in which you now walk.
All they see is sin, failure, and spread condemnation on all who are willling
to listen, bringing the people of God under bondage and guilt for things they
are not guilty of before God. For tying burdens and condemnation on the weak
and easily misled their judgement will be server.
It is easy to fall for their lies, because they come out of legalism and still
preach failure and unacceptability of behavior, which God finds no problem with.
And the true sins which they fail to resolve, they keep God away from while claiming
they are filled with the Holy Spirit in a defiled heart.