Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

I gotta admit E G,Endoscopy has you over a barrel on this one a bit,it is "hard work" to watch over an actual flock of sheep,keeping them from running off and if they manage to run off, to find and bring them back to the flock,something to consider.

Yeah I guess Abel was so proud of how much work he did. And so proud of the sheep he gave. (He killed that little lamby)

The point was the what it symbolized. The lamb who gave his life for the sinner. Vs the human good giving the fruit of his labor for his own sin.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Oh my, I cannot believe you really want that?

Get up at the crack of Day Light, get on the tractor, to Plow the fields for an hour. THEN you milk the Cows by HAND, because we did not have milking machines, then feed and water the pigs, then make sure their was enough hay for the cattle, then feed and water the Chickens, and gather the eggs. Then you get to go clean up, and put on school clothes, and FINALLY Breakfast. Then you get to walk to school over two miles. AND WHEN YOU GET HOME FROM SCHOOL, YOU GET TO START THE ROUTINE ALL OVER AGAIN.

Carry Drinking Water in from the hand pump ways one of my chores too. What do you mean, indoor plumbing? Remember, we did not have that either, so if you had to go in the middle of the night, especially in Winter, you had to go to the outhouse and sit on those freezing cold BOARDS, and Toilet Paper was a luxury we could not afford, so you had to use a few pages out of the OLD Sears and Roebuck Catalog. OH, the good old days, were not so good after all.

And Meat was a Luxury too. So we had to supplement wild game to eat that we Hunted, like Snapping Turtles (now it makes me hungry), Frog Legs (YUM!), Rabbit Fricassee (oh my, was it delicious), Pigeons, Doves, Pheasants, Ducks, Squirrels, Wild Mushrooms, etc.


Now do you wish YOU could go back to the Old Times?

And not only that but you had to do it all WHILE dodging the dinosaurs!!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you think you have a certain phobia for the word 'work or good works'?

I have no phobia of work my friend. I am retired military, and there are times I work 60 to 70 hour work weeks. So please. Stop trying to think. And maybe for once in your life. Try to listen?

Thats an interesting take on Abel. Thank you for that. I am sure he had nothing to do with raising the Lamb he sacrificed to God. BTW, was his sacrifice a good work. Yes, since it was accepted of God.

Will doing good works going to prevent you from having eternal life?

The BLOOD of the lamb was accepted. Not Abel’s sacrifice

I know thats hard for you people who want to earn your salvation. But that is a fact.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thats right, the bible supports both of us. What do we do now?

The Bible does not support both of us my friend, The Bible does nto contradfict yourself It says one thing, it has one message. There is no universalism in thge gospel.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Do you think you have a certain phobia for the word 'work or good works'?

disingenuous

Thats an interesting take on Abel. Thank you for that. I am sure he had nothing to do with raising the Lamb he sacrificed to God. BTW, was his sacrifice a good work. Yes, since it was accepted of God.

of course you look to works...


cain was denied because he felt his offering would please God

abel was accepted because he offered a sacrifice

not because his sins were actually covered by that sheep
just like the sacrifices of the Hebrews didnt cover their sins

its a sign of whats to come
the final sacrifice of Jesus our Lord and savior

the Lamb without blemish

Will doing good works going to prevent you from having eternal life?

only if you trust in your works to
earn salvation
preserve your salvation
or maintain your salvation in anyway....

that means you dont have faith in Jesus for salvation
but your efforts (self....)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Bible does not support both of us my friend, The Bible does nto contradfict yourself It says one thing, it has one message. There is no universalism in thge gospel.

I really hate this IPAD autocorrect. The Bible does not contradict ITSELF. It should say.

 

[preston39]

................Your faith is in God plus your baptism. So I would personally question if you had faith in God. Just as paul did when he questioned the jews who had faiht in God plus circumcision

e...,

What an attempt at spin.

...shame for distorting G-d's word;

One cannot have faith in G-d without following His commands.

One can reasonably conclude that you feel one does not have to repent...huh?

I conclude that you plan to revise and publish another version of the bible in violation of scriptures...yes?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

e...,

What an attempt at spin.

...shame for distorting G-d's word;

One cannot have faith in G-d without following His commands.

One can reasonably conclude that you feel one does not have to repent...huh?

I conclude that you plan to revise and publish another version of the bible in violation of scriptures...yes?

4102. pistis ►
Strong's Concordance
pistis: faith, faithfulness
Original Word: πίστις, εως, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: pistis
Phonetic Spelling: (pis'-tis)
Short Definition: faith, belief, trust
Definition: faith, belief, trust, confidence; fidelity, faithfulness.


3340. metanoeó ►
Strong's Concordance
metanoeó: to change one's mind or purpose
Original Word: μετανοέω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metanoeó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-an-o-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I repent, change my mind
Definition: I repent, change my mind, change the inner man (particularly with reference to acceptance of the will of God), repent.


are you another one who doesnt believe that the sacrifice of Jesus is enough to save a man who repents from his unbelief
and believes on His name?

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John 6

27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.

32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.

33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.

34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.

35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

[preston39]

4102. .....are you another one who doesnt believe that the sacrifice of Jesus is enough to save a man who repents from his unbelief
and believes on His name?.....

N...,

What led you to ask that question? It doesn't fit anything I have said.

Sacrifice for sin is available for forgiveness where G-d's law is followed.

What part of that biblical guidance do you fail to understand?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

N...,

What led you to ask that question? It doesn't fit anything I have said.

Sacrifice for sin is available for forgiveness where G-d's law is followed.

What part of that biblical guidance do you fail to understand?

all "biblical guidance" supported by a false gospel is far beyond my grasp since God has opened my eyes



the flimsy grace doctrine you push

with mans will deciding wether or not he be saved based on his own efforts is not of God

 

[NoNameMcgee]

all "biblical guidance" supported by a false gospel is far beyond my grasp since God has opened my eyes



the flimsy grace doctrine you push

with mans will deciding wether or not he be saved based on his own efforts is not of God

romans 4
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.

3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
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Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

e...,

What an attempt at spin.

...shame for distorting G-d's word;

One cannot have faith in G-d without following His commands.

One can reasonably conclude that you feel one does not have to repent...huh?

I conclude that you plan to revise and publish another version of the bible in violation of scriptures...yes?

since I saw this post quoted by NNM and I saw it was adressed to me, I opened it to look at it.
You have it wrong my friend, As all you workers do. You put work BEFORE faith. That is backwards, We can only IMPERSONATE law keepers if we do not have faith, We will not actually obey them if we have real saving faith.

In other words. We will ot obey Gods commands, UNLESS we have faith.

And your nonsense that I think one does not have to repent. It is slander like this which has caused me to place you on ignore. Everyone who has been here knows I believe UNLESS one repents. They will never come to saving faith.

 

[Endoscopy]

i wish i can go back to the old times to know what the hard life was like.

My parents sold the farm and moved to Florida because of my mother's health. She had viral pneumonia 7 times and was weakened. Florida weather helped her regain her strength.

 

[Endoscopy]

since I saw this post quoted by NNM and I saw it was adressed to me, I opened it to look at it.
You have it wrong my friend, As all you workers do. You put work BEFORE faith. That is backwards, We can only IMPERSONATE law keepers if we do not have faith, We will not actually obey them if we have real saving faith.

In other words. We will ot obey Gods commands, UNLESS we have faith.

And your nonsense that I think one does not have to repent. It is slander like this which has caused me to place you on ignore. Everyone who has been here knows I believe UNLESS one repents. They will never come to saving faith.

Too many ignore the relationship between faith and works. True faith produces works. The Bible states that faith without works is dead. Therefore works proves the faith is real. Works here is those supporting the Bible and Jesus concepts. Not working for something else like earning a living.

 

[TruthTalk]

N...,

What led you to ask that question? It doesn't fit anything I have said.

Sacrifice for sin is available for forgiveness where G-d's law is followed.

What part of that biblical guidance do you fail to understand?

Sacrifice for sin is available for forgiveness where G-d's law is followed. (false gospel)

Our eternal salvation cannot be earned, however believe in the Lord Jesus and His sacrifice for our sins and you will be saved. Believe in God's Son "plus" keeping the law is a false gospel. Even a child can understand saved by grace and not by works. If you are proclaiming a gospel of grace plus works you have fallen from grace. You are teaching a false gospel and need to repent.

John3:16-18 ​- True Gospel
16) For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
17) For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18) Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

 

[benhur]

Obviously not....he and about 3 or 4 others have the same opinionated, regurgitated religious response.....the same old working for Pharisee"ical" dogma and Cainology that has been pushed since Cain offered his works and was rejected.....

Again you offer name calling that comes really close to flaming. We know your position, but our Christian position is just as sound as yours and so if our position is the same opinionated, regurgitated religious response, so is yours.

Remember, we are brothers in Christ. We have a little different opinion on the words of Christ than you do, but it should not lead to the kinds of unChristian words that you are using in this post.

 

[joefizz]

Too many ignore the relationship between faith and works. True faith produces works. The Bible states that faith without works is dead. Therefore works proves the faith is real. Works here is those supporting the Bible and Jesus concepts. Not working for something else like earning a living.

But Faith means "Trust" if one loses trust it makes sense if they do after simply "hearing" the word or reading the bible,but once one "believes in Jesus" and "humbles their heart to him" and "accept him as Saviour and Lord" there is no "turning away from him" how can anyone honestly believe that after accepting Salvation,and the holy spirit, that there is a way to go back?
In fact why would "Anyone want" to turn away from Jesus?
It's so "strange" people seeking to "lose salvation" and "get away from Jesus" yet claim to be serving him.

 

[benhur]

I would not be so bold to add works to the gospel of grace, Jesus mentioned many works and commands that he demanded his followers obey. Not just one. You should stop focusing on one and start focusing on serving others, And stop trying to promote o0ne work as superior to the others. The jews made the same mistake with circumcision. We see where it got them. Take the warning they recieved.

Where does the words of Jesus in Matthew 5,6,&7 have a place in your theology?

 

[Magenta]

Too many ignore the relationship between faith and works. True faith produces works.

Who do you count among the "too many?"

Everyone I know on this thread has affirmed that works follow salvation.

 

[benhur]

And if anyone mis-interprets the WORD, will HE still count it as Righteousness?

NO!

Then you better be careful and not misinterpret his word, like the rest of us.