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[GOP]

Peace be with you all my Precious Beloved Brethren in JESUS' NAME.
Good morning.
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JESUS IS LORD

 

[Magenta]

No matter how good the discussion or the message here may be;
the title of this message or discussion is absolutely very wrong.

Yes, and the OP tells us why we should not believe those who
do not believe God's promise to never leave us or forsake us.

 

[Ralph-]

How does one overcome? By placing their faith in Christ alone. That is what saves them from eternal separation from God - the second death. It's not by your will power, resistance, strength, or any good works you do

It's impossible to resist and persevere on your own. That's why obedience and overcoming is the sign you are saved. It's those who don't obey and don't overcome who do not belong to Christ.

Face it, Ralph. You simply want to share glory due only to God. You love to boast about how you "overcome". You yearn for credit regarding your salvation. Like the Pharisees, you desire the praise of men, and all of your fake humility won't change what is apparent to everyone here.

You're preaching to the choir here, buddy. I know full well any good that comes out of me is because I'm attached to the vine.


" As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me."-John 15:4


The problem comes in when people think fruit bearing is self righteousness and not bearing fruit is a person not trusting in self but believing in Christ. That is the new once saved always saved doctrine overtaking the church these days. It's an evil spirit deceiving the minds of many.

How do you know you will persevere to the end, Ralph? How do you know, with your fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants salvation, you'll make it all the way? How do you know you'll do just enough good works to keep you "in" and "prove" you are one of the redeemed?

By continuing to believe. That's how. The promises are sure for those who believe, not for those who turn back in unbelief.

Any more questions?

You give plenty of lip-service to Jesus, but it's plain the root of your redemption is yourself. It's blatantly obvious by your posts, you're trusting in yourself and your abilities for your salvation.

It's Jesus plus nothing, not Jesus plus Ralph.

It's all about Jesus. I can't do anything apart from him.


"apart from Me you can do nothing."-John 15:5


See, you got it backwards. Those who have no fruit are the ones who are not attached to him, not the ones who are fruitful. Your doctrine is the lie.

 

[Ralph-]

If you look deeper, that verse is taking about the Tribulation Saints and has nothing to do with salvation per se, but being saved from those who seek to kill them.

Anyway, back to your point. It has everything to do with salvation.


"Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. 11‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’"-Revelation 2:10-11


It isn't about being saved from those who seek to kill you. It's about persevering even to the point of death and being saved from the second death.

Your doctrine says you do not have to persevere, let alone persevere to the point of death, you will still be saved anyway. That is a lie.

 

[LightLoveHope]

I have a question.

If Budman is a totally compromised believer who lives like a sinner but believes he
is saved like a saint, if he was to accept he was wrong, it would mean he desires
to walk in the ways of Jesus and victory and has come to faith to believe it is
possible where is the surprise?

Like many before him people who believe like this, are the product of their belief
system, and their heart will rot with unresolved issues, in darkness and be totally
unaware there is another way.

Jesus put it like this

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light.
But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!"
Matthew 6:21-23

I find it illuminating, how ones enemies are so very predictable, and their
accusations are admitting the very reality of where they stand.

I wonder how a hypocrite can think saying someone is a hyprocrite is
an insult, rather than a joke, because they do not actually want to bring
about change, just honesty about hypocrisy and failure.

It is like a deep sea diver saying going down in a diving bell will kill you,
so do not do it, but this actually means they are not a deep sea diver.

So a christian who says they are living openly an impure life are denying
the gospel and the cleansing Jesus brings, while claiming the opposite.

It is like someone saying John the Baptist would be excluded from the
righteous believers because he would be too righteous. One place he would
never go is amongst those who claim to know God yet refuse to follow.
We are the people of saints, learning to walk in His ways with His Holy Spirit,
empowered to do good works of love to His glory.

 

[LightLoveHope]

God promised to never leave or forsake those who chose to follow Him.

The foolishness is to say, one is saved and secure while in rebellion and sin,
while ones soul is destroyed by the fruit of sin and death, and slowly decaying
while claiming to have the light of life.

If anything reeks of desperation, it is this, reading Gods word while ignoring all
the parts that say you need to sort things out, and applying all the promises
that say you are loved, cared for and safe.

It is like the adulterer who is married and has many mistresses and believes they
are not destroying their life and their marriage and their partner does not care.

God warned Israel about this behavior, and in the end took them into captivity
and bondage. Why should God not do the same to believers who claim so much
but lie about their hearts and where they are really wanting to go.

 

[Budman]

Peace be with you all my Precious Beloved Brethren in JESUS' NAME.
Good morning.
No matter how good the discussion or the message here may be; the title of this message or discussion is absolutely very wrong. I
now asked the administrator on CC to please change the title of this message or discussion.
Thanks.
JESUS IS LORD

I'm not saying God actually lied! And I don't see what's so wrong discussing the fact that God keeps His promises. If you don't like the thread, don't read or comment on it.

 

[star]

I'm not saying God actually lied! And I don't see what's so wrong discussing the fact that God keeps His promises. If you don't like the thread, don't read or comment on it.

Some people have no idea how to discuss. They even have no idea that writing in all caps is shouting, yelling. Very rude in itself.

Yes, as you said, don't read, don't respond on any thread you find inappropriate.

Personally, that title is what brought me to peruse this thread. I like it.

 

[star]

Peace be with you all my Precious Beloved Brethren in JESUS' NAME.
Good morning.
No matter how good the discussion or the message here may be; the title of this message or discussion is absolutely very wrong. I
now asked the administrator on CC to please change the title of this message or discussion.
Thanks.
JESUS IS LORD

No need for you to type in all caps. Yelling, shouting is rude whenever responding on a thread.

The title is just fine. You need to respond to the OP and not just pick out a sentence you don't like.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No need for you to type in all caps. Yelling, shouting is rude whenever responding on a thread.

The title is just fine. You need to respond to the OP and not just pick out a sentence you don't like.

If someone comes in posting all caps. I usually ignore what they said. I can see I chose right in this case.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Peace be with you all my Precious Beloved Brethren in JESUS' NAME.
Good morning.
No matter how good the discussion or the message here may be; the title of this message or discussion is absolutely very wrong. I now asked the administrator on CC to please change the title of this message or discussion.
Thanks. JESUS IS LORD

I would have to second that. The title is objectionable and obnoxious, and the admins should have simply changed it. After all this is a Christian forum.

 

[Budman]

I would have to second that. The title is objectionable and obnoxious, and the admins should have simply changed it. After all this is a Christian forum.

.............................

 

[star]

This is a Christian form and anything spiritual, Christian, Truth, God, etc should be allowed in a title or post content. The title is what brings one to a discussion. I personally see nothing offensive about it.

 

[Bladerunner]

I find it funny how whenever one of us opens a thread like this no one seems to want to come refute us, They may come in and take a few pot shots. But no they do not want to actually sit and show us where we are wrong.

This should make them think..

Great thread,, almost sticky worthy!!

WHo is US?

 

[Bladerunner]

I have a question.

If Budman is a totally compromised believer who lives like a sinner but believes he
is saved like a saint, if he was to accept he was wrong, it would mean he desires
to walk in the ways of Jesus and victory and has come to faith to believe it is
possible where is the surprise?

Like many before him people who believe like this, are the product of their belief
system, and their heart will rot with unresolved issues, in darkness and be totally
unaware there is another way.

Jesus put it like this

For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
"The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eyes are good, your whole body will be full of light.
But if your eyes are bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness!"
Matthew 6:21-23

I find it illuminating, how ones enemies are so very predictable, and their
accusations are admitting the very reality of where they stand.

I wonder how a hypocrite can think saying someone is a hyprocrite is
an insult, rather than a joke, because they do not actually want to bring
about change, just honesty about hypocrisy and failure.

It is like a deep sea diver saying going down in a diving bell will kill you,
so do not do it, but this actually means they are not a deep sea diver.

So a christian who says they are living openly an impure life are denying
the gospel and the cleansing Jesus brings, while claiming the opposite.

It is like someone saying John the Baptist would be excluded from the
righteous believers because he would be too righteous. One place he would
never go is amongst those who claim to know God yet refuse to follow.
We are the people of saints, learning to walk in His ways with His Holy Spirit,
empowered to do good works of love to His glory.

Me thinks you do not have the Bible Divided correctly here. Are you talking about Salvation by works?

 

[Budman]

If Budman is a totally compromised believer who lives like a sinner...

Lotta assumptions there, Petey.

Like many before him people who believe like this

I don't believe that. I've always said one could, via their free will, live in rebellion - I've never suggested they should.

..their heart will rot with unresolved issues, in darkness and be totally unaware there is another way.

You do love your overblown drama, dontcha?

Frustrated novelist?

I find it illuminating, how ones enemies are so very predictable, and their accusations are admitting the very reality of where they stand.

I picture you saying that in a Darth Vader voice.

It is like a deep sea diver saying going down in a diving bell will kill you, so do not do it, but this actually means they are not a deep sea diver.

Lamest.....analogy.......ever.

So a christian who says they are living openly an impure life ...

Who said that? Who is saying that?

It is like someone saying John the Baptist would be excluded from the righteous believers because he would be too righteous. One place he would never go is amongst those who claim to know God yet refuse to follow. We are the people of saints, learning to walk in His ways with His Holy Spirit, empowered to do good works of love to His glory.

Lamest....impersonation....of.....Spurgeon........ever.

 

[Budman]

Anyway, back to your point. It has everything to do with salvation.


"Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life. 11‘He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes will not be hurt by the second death.’"-Revelation 2:10-11


It isn't about being saved from those who seek to kill you. It's about persevering even to the point of death and being saved from the second death.

Ralphie, when they Bible uses the word "saved" it doesn't always mean salvation. Look at the context. John is talking about Tribulation Saints. Those who received salvation during the Tribulation period. Here, he speaks of them being physically saved.

Your doctrine says you do not have to persevere, let alone persevere to the point of death, you will still be saved anyway.

Exactly. No works required. Jesus did every work necessary for our salvation. To purchase it and to retain it for us.


Now, don't you have a cat to rescue from a tree, or some litter to pick up in a park to prove to everyone (including yourself) that you're truly saved?

 

[LightLoveHope]

This is such a powerful response Budman.

There is a problem dealing with double minded people who do not mind sinning
in whatever way takes their fancy, because God has already forgiven them.

This is the fruit of "free grace" theology. Look it up.
A boy do they want to compromise everything, in fact if they did not compromise
everything they would be bible believing christians and that would just be hypocrisy,
which is doubly ironic, because they claim hypocrisy is Jesus's way.

Odd when Jesus said this of the pharisees

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
Matthew 23:2-4

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

Jesus is saying the problem with the teachers is they do not do what they preach.

Now these guys deny sin leads to their deaths, and believe that God has forgiven them even
while they are sinning. So rather than setting the prisoners free from the burden of
sin and guilt, they cement it in, searing their followers consciences so they become
"twice as much a son of hell" as they are.

You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
Matt 23:15

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
Matthew 23:13

 

[Budman]

There is a problem dealing with double minded people who do not mind sinning
in whatever way takes their fancy, because God has already forgiven them.

Sorry, that isn't me. So don't accuse me of that.

Odd when Jesus said this of the pharisees

Boy, you just don't see the irony, do ya?

Jesus is saying the problem with the teachers is they do not do what they preach.

The other thing Jesus is trying to teach them is they cannot obey the Law. You can't, I can't. No one can.

Have you stopped sinning, Peter?

 

[Bladerunner]

This is such a powerful response Budman.

There is a problem dealing with double minded people who do not mind sinning
in whatever way takes their fancy, because God has already forgiven them.

This is the fruit of "free grace" theology. Look it up.
A boy do they want to compromise everything, in fact if they did not compromise
everything they would be bible believing christians and that would just be hypocrisy,
which is doubly ironic, because they claim hypocrisy is Jesus's way.

Odd when Jesus said this of the pharisees

The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
Matthew 23:2-4

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

Jesus is saying the problem with the teachers is they do not do what they preach.

Now these guys deny sin leads to their deaths, and believe that God has forgiven them even
while they are sinning. So rather than setting the prisoners free from the burden of
sin and guilt, they cement it in, searing their followers consciences so they become
"twice as much a son of hell" as they are.

You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.
Matt 23:15

Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
Matthew 23:13

I have read most of your post on this thread and still cannot comprehend anything you are saying...I think you are lost in the Law of Moses or something?