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noun: context; plural noun: contexts

  • the circumstances that form the setting for an event, statement, or idea, and in terms of which it can be fully understood and assessed


    The bible also states that women will be saved in child bearing........and the point above IS OBVIOUS..............

All your remarks do not change God’s truth- which is you cannot kick up your feet, relax, do nothing and expect to go to heaven.

 
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All your remarks do not change God’s truth- which is you cannot kick up your feet, relax, do nothing and expect to go to heaven.

Sure it does.....and it was pointed at you.....both examples you cite do not fit the context that you view them in and or attribute them to.....
 
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Awesome post. Had a friend ask me the other day if I believed in OSAS and I said yes. First thing out of her mouth was "Oh, so you believe in license to sin." Where in the world can someone get that idea from "eternal salvation" for those who believe and accept God's free gift?

Amazing to me. If we can lose it, how in the world is it eternal?
it makes them feel better if they say that, The pharisee did the same thing, Thankged God he was nto like th sinner.. Same difference. They both base their faiht on works of righteousness (self) not the work of Christ on the cross. Its sad.
 

Chester

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Awesome post. Had a friend ask me the other day if I believed in OSAS and I said yes. First thing out of her mouth was "Oh, so you believe in license to sin." Where in the world can someone get that idea from "eternal salvation" for those who believe and accept God's free gift?
Where would they get such an idea? Read posts 396-413 and you might see.
 

Budman

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Cause I found “Each must work out their salvation with fear and trembling”.
Work "out" not work "for".

“But if you sin willfully (without goal or effort to stop) there no longer remains a sacrifice for your sins.”
All sin is willful. Have you sinned willfully, even once, after you were saved? If we have even a single sin unforgiven we are lost and on our way to hell. Jesus isn't coming back to die for any more sins.

this tells me if I give up effort, I give up my salvation.
That puts the emphasis on you and not on Christ. You would then get the glory and not Jesus.

God only gives the gift of grace to those who obey Him.
That's a contradiction in terms. If you have to pay/work for something, it's not a gift. A gift is free. Grace is unmerited.

Like Dcon said: CONTEXT.
 

Budman

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Where would they get such an idea? Read posts 396-413 and you might see.
Grace is absolutely not a license to sin. We should live as holy a life as we can, not to receive or maintain salvation, but out of gratitude for what Jesus has done for us.
 

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All your remarks do not change God’s truth- which is you cannot kick up your feet, relax, do nothing and expect to go to heaven.
Jesus did all the work necessary to get us to heaven. We can work and receive wonderful rewards in heaven (at the Judgment Seat) or we can do little, and receive little reward. Our works before men only justify us before men.
 

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is god the holy of holys jesus our haigh priest then as jesus goes into the father does the spirit lead us in to truth all scripture is holy spirited so were are lead by faith for we test every spirit not to get lead into darkness but to reveal gods ways
 
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I am a secure believer in Jesus Christ and believe I have 100% assurance in Christ and know that I have been redeemed and have an eternal reward. But what if tomorrow I choose to forsake Christ, cease believing in Him, and even become an agnostic or atheist? What then?

This is a real question for me: I have a brother-in-law who was a believer living victoriously and clearly for the Lord, but now is an avowed atheist. Is he saved? Most people who believe in OSAS tell me that my brother-in-law must not have been a Christian.

It seems to me that this is judging my brother-in-law by his works. His works no longer match up so that proves he could never have been a believer.

Thus I assume that OSAS supporters would say the same of me if I became an avowed atheist. They would tell me you could never have been really born again.

I know that today I am believing in Jesus Christ as my Saviour, Redeemer, and Lord, and on that basis I have 100% assurance that I am saved. If I adopted belief in OSAS, I would need to be sure my works kept matching up, or I would be told that I was never really born again.
Why would it be so surprising that an apostate appeared a sheep only to be found a goat? You then use yourself as an example that it would be absurd and impossible for you to be proven later to never have been a true believer. Study out perseverance of saints. It's not really about your works, it's about whether in the end your faith is proven genuine.
 

Budman

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That if someone has been truly saved, they can curse and swear at God, they can commit genocide, stop believing, become a Hitlar, and on and on and on, and they will get to heaven when they die.

People don't know, or tend to gloss over the fact, that God chastens His children, as a good father would. He will correct us - sometimes harshly - even to the point of taking us home before our time.

Keep in mind that neither you or I can see into the future. Years from now your brother-in-law, if he was truly saved, will return to the Lord, (remember the Prodigal son and how far into sin he went). it may even occur on His death bed.

Remember, there are no real atheists - only fools.

Keep praying for him. Our fervent prayers avail much!
 

Budman

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The verses that speak of perseverance or enduring to the end state that only the saved will endure or persevere. They do NOT make perseverance or endurance a requirement for Salvation.
If you look deeper, that verse is taking about the Tribulation Saints and has nothing to do with salvation per se, but being saved from those who seek to kill them.
 

Chester

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Why would it be so surprising that an apostate appeared a sheep only to be found a goat? You then use yourself as an example that it would be absurd and impossible for you to be proven later to never have been a true believer. Study out perseverance of saints. It's not really about your works, it's about whether in the end your faith is proven genuine.
"it's about whether in the end your faith is proven genuine" - preacher4truth
Amen and amen!
 

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All your remarks do not change God’s truth- which is you cannot kick up your feet, relax, do nothing and expect to go to heaven.

God's Truth is simply accept my free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ our Lord. That is the only requirement to go to heaven.

Any born again person would never just "relax, kick up their feet, do nothing."
 

Budman

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All your remarks do not change God’s truth- which is you cannot kick up your feet, relax, do nothing and expect to go to heaven.

How much does one have to do to be sure you're going?
 
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How much does one have to do to be sure you're going?
Abraham believed and was given the righteousness of God. What’s enough for him should be enough for us.
 
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How much does one have to do to be sure you're going?
More and more.


"For if these qualities are yours and are increasing, they render you neither useless nor unfruitful in the true knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9For he who lacks these qualities is blind or short-sighted, having forgotten his purification from his former sins. 10Therefore, brethren, be all the more diligent to make certain about His calling and choosing you; for as long as you practice these things, you will never stumble; 11for in this way the entrance into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will be abundantly supplied to you."-2 Peter 1:8-11


If you aren't growing up into Christ, increasing in the qualities of the Spirit, you need to wonder if you belong to Christ.

You do not need to keep asking this uninformed question. It's been answered over and over for you. It's not about a set number of works. It's about if you're growing up. You know that you belong to Christ and will be saved when he comes back by if the fruit of the Spirit is growing ever more in your life.
 
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Abraham believed and was given the righteousness of God. What’s enough for him should be enough for us.
The sureness of your calling and election comes from seeing the work of the Holy Spirit in your life.

The security of salvation comes from the perfect and never ending ministry of Christ.

It's important to distinguish between the security of salvation and the assurance that you possess, and continue to possess, the salvation that is secure.
 
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Any born again person would never just "relax, kick up their feet, do nothing."
Well, let's just say they would not be able to do that forever. Sooner or later, if the immature believer persists in not obeying the Spirit, and resists God's efforts to bring them to obedience, he will eventually turn them over to their unbelief.
 
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If you look deeper, that verse is taking about the Tribulation Saints and has nothing to do with salvation per se, but being saved from those who seek to kill them.
Not true at all. Some who persevere to the end and are saved do so by resisting to the point of death-Revelation 2:10.

What the overcoming, persevering saint will be saved from is the second death-Revelation 2:11.
 

Budman

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Not true at all. Some who persevere to the end and are saved do so by resisting to the point of death-Revelation 2:10.

What the overcoming, persevering saint will be saved from is the second death-Revelation 2:11.
How does one overcome? By placing their faith in Christ alone. That is what saves them from eternal separation from God - the second death. It's not by your will power, resistance, strength, or any good works you do,

Face it, Ralph. You simply want to share glory due only to God. You love to boast about how you "overcome". You yearn for credit regarding your salvation. Like the Pharisees, you desire the praise of men, and all of your fake humility won't change what is apparent to everyone here.

How do you know you will persevere to the end, Ralph? How do you know, with your fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants salvation, you'll make it all the way? How do you know you'll do just enough good works to keep you "in" and "prove" you are one of the redeemed?

You give plenty of lip-service to Jesus, but it's plain the root of your redemption is yourself. It's blatantly obvious by your posts, you're trusting in yourself and your abilities for your salvation.

It's Jesus plus nothing, not Jesus plus Ralph.