GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

[LoveGodForever]

sin is missing the mark, falling short of a standard , knowing to do good and not doing so. not just command breaking.

WHAT IS THE STANDARD OF SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS?

Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Psalms 119
172, My tongue shall speak of your word: for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS

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1 John 3
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION (breaking) OF GOD'S LAW.

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James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Romans 7
7, What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.

Looks like Paul John and James disagree with you. The Standard is God's LAW (10 Commandments) If we break it we commit SIN. IF we CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN we will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this is helpful.

 

[gb9]

WHAT IS THE STANDARD OF SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS?

Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Psalms 119
172, My tongue shall speak of your word: for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS

links to...

1 John 3
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION (breaking) OF GOD'S LAW.

links to...

James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Romans 7
7, What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.

Looks like Paul John and James disagree with you. The Standard is God's LAW (10 Commandments) If we break it we commit SIN. IF we CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN we will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this is helpful.

how many of the 10 did the rich man break in the lazurus the beggar story? and where did he end up? command keeping does not save.

 

[Studyman]

no, gentiles were not told to go synagogue. total lie. the thing that James said, to jewish men, that they could go and hear Moses read was recorded in v. 21 of Acts 15. the letter that was sent to the gentiles is v. 23- 29. no mention of going to the synagogue in the letter.

So you preach the gentiles are not to learn from the Bible? Of course you do.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Except this was only written to the Jews according to your religion.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree,(Gentile) wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Well, there is another scripture we can throw out in order to follow your religion.

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Woops, more scriptures I must rip out of my Bible in order to belong to your religion.

49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Another one get's flushed down the toilet in order for your religion to stand.

One thing for sure, it wouldn't take long to read your Bible, it must only be about 4 pages long.

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

But Gb9 preaches that you shouldn't go there because it is against his religion for a gentile to learn about God.

Just how far will you go? Just how much of God's Word will you erase from your mind to defend your religious franchise?

Fascinating.

 

[LoveGodForever]

Originally Posted by gb9

sin is missing the mark, falling short of a standard , knowing to do good and not doing so. not just command breaking.

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever

WHAT IS THE STANDARD OF SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS?

Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

Psalms 119
172, My tongue shall speak of your word: for ALL YOUR COMMANDMENTS ARE RIGHTEOUSNESS

links to...

1 John 3
4, Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION (breaking) OF GOD'S LAW.

links to...

James 2
8, If you fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, You shall love your neighbor as yourself, you do well:
9, But if you have respect to persons, you commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if you commit no adultery, yet if you kill, you are become a transgressor of the law.

Romans 7
7, What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. No, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, You shall not covet.

Looks like Paul John and James disagree with you. The Standard is God's LAW (10 Commandments) If we break it we commit SIN. IF we CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN we will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

.............

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Hope this is helpful.

how many of the 10 did the rich man break in the lazurus the beggar story? and where did he end up? command keeping does not save.

Now gb9

How does your post above address the post and the scriptures in them that you are responding to above it?

 

[gb9]

So you preach the gentiles are not to learn from the Bible? Of course you do.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Except this was only written to the Jews according to your religion.

17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree,(Gentile) wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;

Well, there is another scripture we can throw out in order to follow your religion.

8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

Woops, more scriptures I must rip out of my Bible in order to belong to your religion.

49 One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Another one get's flushed down the toilet in order for your religion to stand.

One thing for sure, it wouldn't take long to read your Bible, it must only be about 4 pages long.

20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
21For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

But Gb9 preaches that you shouldn't go there because it is against his religion for a gentile to learn about God.

Just how far will you go? Just how much of God's Word will you erase from your mind to defend your religious franchise?

Fascinating.

well, it must take you about 18 months to read your Bible, there is a lot of stuff in it that is not in mine.

see, I prefer to use chronological order, context, and not interject my own commentary. I concentrate on what is IN the text, not what I think should be in it.


if the Bible says it, I accept it. if it is someone else's opinion, then I can reject it. you say things like there were instructions given to gentiles that were not in the actual letter that was drafted and sent. you say the thief on the cross had already at some earlier time had accepted Jesus. text does not say that. you say Abraham had the Law of Moses, which is not in the text.

you are free to believe what you wish. but, as for me, I will rightly divide the Words of truth, and accept them as written, not deconstruct and reconstruct the text to suit my cult beliefs/ conspiracy theories .

 

[Studyman]

well, it must take you about 18 months to read your Bible, there is a lot of stuff in it that is not in mine.

see, I prefer to use chronological order, context, and not interject my own commentary. I concentrate on what is IN the text, not what I think should be in it.


if the Bible says it, I accept it. if it is someone else's opinion, then I can reject it. you say things like there were instructions given to gentiles that were not in the actual letter that was drafted and sent. you say the thief on the cross had already at some earlier time had accepted Jesus. text does not say that. you say Abraham had the Law of Moses, which is not in the text.

you are free to believe what you wish. but, as for me, I will rightly divide the Words of truth, and accept them as written, not deconstruct and reconstruct the text to suit my cult beliefs/ conspiracy theories .

And Jesus said unto them, "the Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

 

[SavdbyGracethtwrks]

Colossians 2:1616Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of Elohim.20Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21(Touch not; taste not; handle not; 22Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men? 23Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body; not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

This scripture is for all believers who Fear and Honor Yahweh, let none of us be judged on the keeping of the Sabbath or any of the commands the Father gave us, only the body of Messiah, we amongst each other can train and teach each other on how to keep these things that please the Father. Let us not be led away by doctrines of men that are contrary to the very WORD and will of the Father, for we know that in keeping these we see a picture of our Savior Yahushua. For these ARE all shadows of him, what he has fulfilled and what is yet to come, we wait in expectation for the day of trumpets, that day when our Savior comes at the last trump to change us in a twinkling of an eye. WOW. We wait for the 7th "day" of rest when we enter into that 1,000 year rest where Messiah will reign. What the Father has put in place is nothing short of beautiful to those who believe.
ALL HONOR AND GLORY TO THE FATHER, THROUGHHIS WONDERFUL SON YAHUSHUA

 

[LoveGodForever]

I believe that putting people under Law after the NT clearly teaches that they are not under law is a false gospel!

Gal 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
KJV

If I chose to respond to people who teach a false gospel for the sake of the ungrounded; doing so does not obligate me to respond to them at other times. I ame not interested in friendly chat with those God's word calls accursed.

This is a good example of a false argument used by those that teach against the law and the prophets.

None are saved by what they do. All are ONLY saved by GRACE through FAITH and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of GOD and not of WORKS lest any man should boast.

However if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE then you are still in your SINS because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Hebrews 10:26-27; Romans 6:23).

If your tree has no fruit then it is cast down and thrown into the fire (Matt 7:12-23)

Many will come to Jesus on that day saying, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?; And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work SIN (iniquity) (Matt 7:22-23).

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.


Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? SHALL WE CONTINUE IN SIN THAT GRACE MAY ABOUND? GOD FORBID. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
31, Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

James 2
18, Yes, a man may say, You have faith, and I have works: show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
19, You believe that there is one God; you do well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20, But will you know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
26, For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Many do not KNOW what GRACE and FAITH are for. They are for salvation from SIN not a liscence to SIN.

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (10 Commandments) (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7) If we break ANY of God's Commandments we stand guilty before GOD in SIN and condemned of SIN "Under the LAW" This is the meaning of being "Under the LAW" it means you have SINNED are being condemned and guilty of SIN...

Romans 3
19, Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it speaketh to them that are UNDER THE LAW; that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God:
20, because by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified in his sight; for through the law cometh the knowledge of sin.

Romans 2
11, For there is no respect of persons with God.
12, For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
13, for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Shamah]

Sabbath is for all who worship YHWH, Hebrew and Gentile:

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

The Sabbath is for ceasing our own will and doing His will:

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; [SUP]If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways[/SUP], nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."



Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

 

[LoveGodForever]

Sabbath is for all who worship YHWH, Hebrew and Gentile:

Isaiah 56:1-7, “Thus said יהוה, “Guard right-ruling, and do righteousness, for near is My deliverance to come, and My righteousness to be revealed. Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who becomes strong in it, guarding the Sabbath lest he profane it, and guarding his hand from doing any evil. And let not the son of the gentile who has joined himself to יהוה speak, saying, ‘יהוה has certainly separated me from His people,’ nor let the eunuch say, ‘Look I am a dry tree.’ For thus said יהוה, “To the eunuchs who guard My Sabbaths, and have chosen what pleases Me, and are holding onto My covenant: to them I shall give in My house and within My walls a place and a name better than that of sons and daughters – I give them an everlasting name that is not cut off. Also the sons of the gentile who join themselves to יהוה, to serve Him, and to love the Name of יהוה, to be His servants, all who guard the Sabbath, and not profane it, and are holding onto My covenant, them I shall bring to My set-apart mountain, and let them rejoice in My house of prayer. Their ascending offerings and their sacrifices are accepted on My altar, for My house is called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”

The Sabbath is for ceasing our own will and doing His will:

Isaiah 58:11-14, "YHWH will guide you continually, and satisfy your soul in drought, and make fat; (strengthen), your bones. You will be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters do not fail. And those of you will rebuild the old waste places; you will raise up the foundations of many generations; and you will be called the Repairer of the Breach, the Restorer of Streets to Dwell In; If you turn away your foot from breaking the Sabbath: from doing your pleasure; your own business, your own pleasure, on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight; the holy day of YHWH honorable, and will honor Him by not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor engaging in idle conversation: Then you will find your joy in YHWH; and I will cause you to ride on the high places of the earth, and feed you with the heritage of Yaaqob your father, for the mouth of YHWH has spoken it."



Mat 12:12, "And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

Indeed, Welcome back Hiz and a Happy Sabbath to you.

 

[lightbearer]

In regards to chapter 7 in Romans. The Christian walk is a battle of the old man vs the new. The old man (the "flesh", the sin nature) still exists, as Paul wrote.

However the beginning of chapter eight should actually be in the same chapter as seven. It is a continuation of Paul's testimony. Paul states he hath been made free from the law of sin and death. Chapter 7 is no longer his testimony. It does not apply because he is no longer in captivity to the law of sin of which was in his members; he is in the Spirit, in Christ!

For Jesus came in the likeness of sinful flesh and condemned sin in the flesh; His flesh. That the righteousness of the law can be fulfilled in him (us). For Jesus Christ his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. So be healed and go and sin no more.For if after we have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, we are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
(1Pe 2:24; 2Pe 2:20)

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me (Paul) free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do (in Paul's mind), in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.(Rom 8:1-4)

Please notice in that there in only no condemnation if we are walking in the Spirit and that Jesus condemned sin; taking it away; nailing it to the cross that the righteousness be fulfilled (completely filled ) in us.


In regards to the word fulfilled I would like to add a foot note. It is translated from the Greek word pleroo.
From Mickelson's enhanced Strong's Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries.
G4137 πληρόω pleroo (play-roh'-o) v.
1. to fully, completely fill
2. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow)
3. (figuratively) to fully supply, satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.
Pleroo which is to fully fill; completely fill. This how much of the righteousness of the Law is in us or should be in us who walk after the Spirit and not after the flesh. Remember what John says? He says, " He that is doing righteousness is righteous even as HE (Jesus) is righteous.

"Even as" is a direct comparison to how Jesus was righteous. So How was Jesus righteous?
By GOD's indwelling Spirit. He says in John 14:10, "...but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
As Paul wrote, "GOD works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure."
With man this is impossible; but with GOD all things are possible!


Let’s take a closer look at the word mindas seen in verses 7:23,25; 8:5,6,7

But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind(intellect, understanding),and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind (intellect, understanding) I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Why Intellect and understanding parenthesis?
Because it states in Mickelson’s Strong’s enhanced:
G3563 νοῦς nous (nous`) n.
1.
the intellect, i.e. the mind
2.
(by implication) meaning...

From the BDAG lexicon….
a) mind, intellect as the side of life contrasted w. physical existence,
the higher, mental part of a human being that initiates thoughts and plans (Apollonius of Tyana [I A.D.] in Eus., PE 4, 13; Orig., C. Cels. 8, 38, 21; 52, 24; Did., Gen. 57, 26): ὁ νόμος τοῦ νοός (μου) the law of (my) intellect Ro 7:22 v.l., 23. (Opp. σάρξ) τῷ ν. δουλεύειν νόμῳ θεοῦ serve the law of God w.
one’s intellect vs. 25.
b) understanding, mind as faculty of thinking...


Romans 7:23, 25 are referring to an acknowledgement to one’s understanding. Paul says he gets it. His intellect understands and his mind is a slave to it, but it does not help him gain victory over the sin in his flesh.


Now for Rom 8:5, “For they that are after the flesh do mind (entertain, exercise ) the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.”

Why entertain and exercise in parenthesis?

Because Mickelson’ Strong’s affirms:

G5426 φρονέω phroneo (fron-eh'-o) v.
1. to exercise the mind, i.e.
entertain or have a sentiment or opinion
2. (by implication) to be (mentally) disposed (more or less earnestly in a certain direction)
3. (intensively) to interest oneself in (with concern or obedience)
The BDAG states:
1) to have an opinion with regard to someth., think, form/hold an opinion, judge…
2) to give careful consideration to someth., set one’s mind on, be intent on, foll. by the acc. (Brutus, Ep. 14 τὰ σὰ φρ.)….
3) to develop an attitude based on careful thought,
be minded/disposed…


And finally Rom 8:6,7 “For to be carnally minded (inclined, purposed) is death; but to be spiritually minded (inclined, purposed) is life and peace. Because the carnal mind (inclined, purposed) is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.”

Why inclined and purpose in parenthesis?

Because Mickelson's work confirms it.

G5427 φρόνημα phronema (fron'-ay-mah) n.
1.
(mental) inclination or purpose…
BDAG:
φρόνημα, ατος, τό (fr. φρήν via φρονέω; Aeschyl., Hdt. et al.; Vett. Val. 109, 2; 2 Macc 7:21; 13:9; Philo, Joseph.; Hippol., Ref. 1, 2, 1 [philosophical: ‘point of view’])
the faculty of fixing one’s mind on someth., way of thinking, mindset...

So if one is entertaining the flesh with their mind. The have made the flesh their purpose. They are in the flesh and they cannot please GOD.

Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Yes they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Good you agree with the post. We are making head way.

Those who are still working at the law in their own understanding do not understand what Christ has done and Is doing. They don't have faith that Christ has finished everything that is needed to finish for Salvation. They think the Lord Jesus only fulfilled a little bit and they must fulfill whatever the Lord Jesus Christ did not.

The bible refutes this thinking over and over. Here are some examples.

2 Corinthians 3:5-9

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

The first thought here is that we are not sufficient in ourselves. Meaning that it is the Lord Jesus Christ we rest in as He is the One who is sufficient. He is the One who works in us to perform His Will.​

I don't understand why you left out the the beginning of this chapter. The first few verses set the premise and the point of the chapter. They unfold the Gospel.

Which is the new Ministration. Let's take a look.

Do we begin again to commend ourselves? or need we, as some others, epistles of commendation to you, or letters of commendation from you? Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men:
Through Christ we are a testimony of Christ and the people to which HE used to share the Gospel to us. No need for letters of commendation to prove anything. Our lives through the Spirit are proof enough.

Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

We are the Epistles; the testimonies; the proof of the Gospel through Christ. No longer was GOD's purpose for us to be shared or lived by the books written by ink; or by the Tables of Stone. But by the Spirit of the Living GOD. The letter to the Corinthians is speaking of the fulfillment of the New Covenant; the Gospel through Christ; through HIS ministers through Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and of their sins and their lawlessnesses shall I under no circumstances still be reminded.
(Heb 10:14-17)

Some take this prophecy of the New Covenant; the Gospel to be in reference to the Ten Commandments exclusively. This is not true. The Decalogue is definitely part of what GOD has placed in our hearts and minds through Christ but not all. The word for law is not solely inclusive to the Ten Commandments. The text in Hebrews is taken from Jeremiah. It is a old prophecy but it was not the first time GOD had spoken it through a prophet. The first time that it was written down can be found in Deuteronomy 30:6, 10-14.

And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live. If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God (through this circumcision, made without hands), to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.(Deut 30:10-14 KJV)

The LXX (Septuagint) translation of this text adds "and in thy hand".

With the above text in mind please note that the phrases "HIS commandments and HIS statutes which are written in this book of the law" and "the Word" are being used synonymously. In this instance they are interchangeable. Please take notice that in Deut. 30 the Judgments are not mentioned.

With that being established let's take a look at Romans 10:6-8 now.

But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
(Rom 10:6-8 KJV)

So while the Israelis and Romans were reading this letter they would have been reading the Pentateuch and some of the other books from the Old Testament also. Actually with more regard because they considered them to be from GOD. When they came to this verse they would of seen the similarities to Deut. and would have looked up the verses there and read them in parallel. In doing so would have tied everything together synonymously keeping everything in harmony to one another.

For the LORD our GOD will circumcise our hearts and the hearts of our seed. For righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; The Word manifested in the flesh; Christ) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law; Christ, the Word manifested in the flesh manifested in our flesh) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart and in thy hand: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach.

And that my friends would include all the moral code in the Book of the Law and the Decalogue. Including the Sabbath.

And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God. For in him we live, and move, and have our being; For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. As Jesus said, "HE doeth the work"
(2Co 3:1-5; Act 17:28; Php 2:13 KJV)


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[LoveGodForever]

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
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Yes this is what the OP is about did you want to address all the scriptures in the OP here that disagree with your interpretation of these scriptures? Simply stating the scriptures the OP is discussing does not address the OP and the scriptures in them that disagree with you.

THE NINE "MORAL" COMMANDS OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE REITERATED in the New Testament:
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1. To worship the Lord God only (1st commandment): no less than 50 times
2. Idolatry (2nd commandment): condemned 12 times
3. Profanity (3rd commandment): condemned 4 times
4. Honoring parents (5th commandment) is taught 6 times
5. Murder (6th commandment) condemned 6 times
6. Adultery (7th commandment) condemned 12 times
7. Theft (8th commandment) condemned 4 times
8. False Witness (9th commandment) condemned 4 times
9. Covetousness (10th commandment) condemned 9 times

Why is it that keeping the seventh day as Sabbath is not commanded or a failure to keep the Sabbath is condemned as sin once in the New Testament?

You can continue to twist the scriptures all you want, but you are not fooling any genuine believers with your SDA propaganda.
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Seems God's Word disagrees with you.

ALL OF GOD'S LAW REPEATED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT

1 To worship the Lord God only (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)
2 No Idolatry (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)
3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain. (1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)

4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)

5 Honour your father and mother. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)
6 You shall not murder. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)
7 You shall not commit adultery. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)
8 You shall not steal. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)
9 You shall not lie. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)
10 You shall not covet (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)

There is a lot of scriptures here you seemed to have missed for some reason. Hope this help your study of God's WORD.

SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7) If we break ANY of God's 10 commandments we commit SIN Those who KNOWINGLY continue in SIN will NOT enter God's KINGDOM.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
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[lightbearer]

Originally Posted by lightbearer

No mention of any of the Ten Commandments. These are all from the Book of the Law (The Book of Moses). The Ten Commandments are not in question here. According to the context of the chapter Circumcision and the Book of the Law are.
But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. For (because) Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

(Act 15:20-21)


A few things should be noted from the above text. First and foremost, the new converts are being commanded to abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.



These Laws are Dietary health and Moral laws from the Book of the Law (Moses).


Second thing to note is verse 21 starts with the word "for". This word means that what comes after it is the reason for what was previously stated.


In other words let's not over burden them. Tell them for now to abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. They will get the rest, because (for) Moses (the Book of the Law) is read every Sabbath Day in the synagogues where and when they meet.




If any thing these verses prove they were meeting on and therefore keeping the Sabbath and that some of the Laws from the Book of the Law are still part of a Christian's life through the indwelling Christ

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Originally Posted by mailmandan

THE NINE "MORAL" COMMANDS OF THE 10 COMMANDMENTS ARE REITERATED in the New Testament:

1. To worship the Lord God only (1st commandment): no less than 50 times
2. Idolatry (2nd commandment): condemned 12 times
3. Profanity (3rd commandment): condemned 4 times
4. Honoring parents (5th commandment) is taught 6 times
5. Murder (6th commandment) condemned 6 times
6. Adultery (7th commandment) condemned 12 times
7. Theft (8th commandment) condemned 4 times
8. False Witness (9th commandment) condemned 4 times
9. Covetousness (10th commandment) condemned 9 times

Why is it that keeping the seventh day as Sabbath is not commanded or a failure to keep the Sabbath is condemned as sin once in the New Testament?

Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day — 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

So your answer to the post is not to address the points of the post? There is no argument so I will not fault you in that.
So with you now understanding or at the very least seeing the Light that was shared to you in the post you responded to in relation to Acts 15; you now want to discuss, what?

Colossians? Hebrews?

I suggest one at a time. So which first?

 

[LoveGodForever]

How exactly do you keep the Sabbath? To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

The only requirements is no work is to be done because it is a Holy day of rest set aside as God has commanded.

Exodus 20
8, Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and if we KNOWINGLY break it like any of the other commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN (Exodus 20:1-17).

If we break any of God’s Laws we stand guilty before God in SIN (James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes the 4th commandment which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11)

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

You may need to read more about the OLD anD NEW COVENANTS.

Burnt offerings
This section of your post only shows you do NOT KNOW what the OLD Covenant is and the NEW Covenant and the difference between God's LAW (10 Commandments) and the Mosaic book of the Covenant for remission of SINS which are the shadow laws pointing to Jesus (Col 2:14-17 see above already addressed). We are living in the NEW Covenant now and not living in the OLD Covenant of animal sacrifices and sin offerings which all pointed to Jesus as our one true sacrifice (Hebrews 9-10). These is also NO command in God's 4th Commandment to offer burnt offereings now is there (Ex 20:8-11)? More supporting scripture here for those interested (Linked)

No kindling a fire
The scripture context is in relation to work not work is to be done on the Sabbath if all preparation is done beforehand it is ok to do good on the Sabbath.

Remain in his place (No Travelling)
Now your only twisting the scriptures to try and say soemthing that it is not. The Exodus CONTEXT of Exodus 20:29 is in relation to not going out and collecting manner on the Sabbath (Ex 20:16-30). Also if your interpretation was true please why Jesus and all the Apostles travelled to the synagogue on the Sabbath?

Trading and Marketing
Of course there is not to be trading and marketing on God's Sabbath. This is the same as doing business or working on the Sabbath which is a HOLY day God has made for rest. No work is to be conducted on the Sabbath according to God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

WHO IS GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT.

THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).

No explanation needed, believe God's Word, and again..........

FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).

FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)

God's Israel...............

Galatians 3:28-29,
THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Colossians 3:11,
WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.

Romans 2:28-29,
FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY ; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel..........

Jeremiah 31:33-4,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS,AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Hebrews 8:10-12,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.


Hebrews 10:14-17,
For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, this is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS, AND INTO THEOR MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Galatians 3:29,
AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAMS SEED AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

The New Covenant is for God's Israel which represent those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God’s WORD. If you are not part of God's Israel you are not part of the New Covenant (Hebrews 8:10-12).

God's Israel are those that believe the Word of God and follow it and is why Jesus says If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15)

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people. Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

So my friend, unless your living in the OLD Covenant in Israel do these laws apply to you? We are living in the NEW COVENANT now. The penalty for SIN however is still the same which is death but this will be carried out at when the judgements of God are given to those who reject His Word and his GIFT of salavation and choose to live a life of SIN breaking God's Commandments.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

If you hold on to your Catholic tradtions that break the Commandments of God you will not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven because you have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27)

Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's KINGDOM.

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In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

 

[gb9]

if believers in Christ were to keep the Sabbath, there would be a N.T. command to do so. there is not. you and add to the Bible man can cut and paste and conjoin out of context verses all you want, it is still false.

we are not saved by keeping commands. no answer from you about the rich man in the lazurus the beggar story. how many of the 10 did the rich man break?

 

[LoveGodForever]

if believers in Christ were to keep the Sabbath, there would be a N.T. command to do so. there is not. you and add to the Bible man can cut and paste and conjoin out of context verses all you want, it is still false.
\we are not saved by keeping commands. no answer from you about the rich man in the lazurus the beggar story. how many of the 10 did the rich man break?

Well that has no truth in it gb9,

Why would there be a new commandment to keep the 4th Commandment when it was already given 4000 years earlier and God's people had been already keeping it according to God's Commandment for 1000's of years already.

That really makes no sense at all. It seems your the only one making things up and it is because you have no supporting scripture for your claims.

Where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[gb9]

Well that has no truth in it gb9,

Why would there be a new commandment to keep the 4th Commandment when it was already given 4000 years earlier and God's people had been already keeping it according to God's Commandment for 1000's of years already.

That really makes no sense at all. It seems your the only one making things up and it is because you have no supporting scripture for your claims.

Where does it say in God's WORD that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day?

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

you define sin as command breaking ( which is part of it ). in Luke 16, the story of the rich man and lazurus the beggar, how many of the 10 did Christ say that the rich man broke?

 

[LoveGodForever]

you define sin as command breaking ( which is part of it ). in Luke 16, the story of the rich man and lazurus the beggar, how many of the 10 did Christ say that the rich man broke?

No I do not define what sin is. It is God's WORD that defines SIN as breaking God's Commandments. Let's look at the scriptures again maybe you missed them?

WHAT IS SIN?

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW


James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

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1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
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Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.

As you can see my friend these are not my words they are God's Words and it is very clear that James, Paul and John all agree that SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's 10 Commandments unless you believe James, Paul and John are lying and God's WORD is not true?

SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in it OUT of God's KINGDOM...

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[gb9]

No I do not define what sin is. It is God's WORD that defines SIN as breaking God's Commandments. Let's look at the scriptures again maybe you missed them?

WHAT IS SIN?

James 2
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well:
9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.
10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW


James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW

links to...........

1 John 3
4 Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.
John is in agreement with James and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments)
Links to...........

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known SIN, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that SIN is breaking God's commandments and uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

Links to............

Romans 3
20, Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.
Once again Paul is in agreement with John and James which all agree together that if we break any of God's LAW (10 commandments) we commit SIN because as James, John and Paul all agree together that SIN is breaking ANY of God's 10 commandments.

As you can see my friend these are not my words they are God's Words and it is very clear that James, Paul and John all agree that SIN is the breaking of ANY of God's 10 Commandments unless you believe James, Paul and John are lying and God's WORD is not true?

SIN will keep all those who KNOWINGLY CONTINUE in it OUT of God's KINGDOM...

....................


God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

following your logic , if sin is strictly breaking a command, which of the 10 did the rich man break in Luke 16 to end up in hell?

 

[Dan_473]

If I may ask a question Dan. Why don't you show an example of a scripture that LGF and you have differing understandings of. If you are both of the same Body isn't that the way disagreements regarding scripture should be handled?

well, here would be an example

Paul wrote that
the whole law is fulfilled in one word, this one: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

it didn't contradict what Jesus said at all