GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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Imposing Sabbath keeping on Gentile believers; and elevating the 10 commandments to more than what they were intended to be. Also (not usually mentioned by her followers) 4 incorrect predictions of the Lord's return.
IMO the false predictions of Jesus return discredit everything else she said
IMO the false predictions of Jesus return discredit everything else she said
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Revelation 3:15-20
[SUP]15 [/SUP]I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
[SUP]18[/SUP]I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Do you think it is strange that the "Christian sabbath keeper" has determined that some of the law is to be kept but most of it is not to be kept. They say that the law is instruction on how to love and how to abstain from sin but yet they cut out most of those instructions.
Would you say that someone who professes Christ and yet works at some of the law but not all of it would be considered 'luke warm'? Why not go all out one way or the other? Be cold or hot. Keep all of the law or work at none of it and rely on Christ alone.
I suppose it must be partly the conundrum the legalist places themselves in. The impossibility of keeping every jot and tittle.
I know if I was a legalist I would be a full on, tent in the back yard, blood sprinkling on the mercy seat, legalist.
I suppose the Lord Jesus Christ delivered me from that.
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
We should serve in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Galatians 3:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
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[SUP]16 [/SUP]So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
[SUP]18[/SUP]I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.
Do you think it is strange that the "Christian sabbath keeper" has determined that some of the law is to be kept but most of it is not to be kept. They say that the law is instruction on how to love and how to abstain from sin but yet they cut out most of those instructions.
Would you say that someone who professes Christ and yet works at some of the law but not all of it would be considered 'luke warm'? Why not go all out one way or the other? Be cold or hot. Keep all of the law or work at none of it and rely on Christ alone.
I suppose it must be partly the conundrum the legalist places themselves in. The impossibility of keeping every jot and tittle.
I know if I was a legalist I would be a full on, tent in the back yard, blood sprinkling on the mercy seat, legalist.
I suppose the Lord Jesus Christ delivered me from that.
Romans 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
We should serve in newness of spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Galatians 3:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?
[SUB][/SUB]
SDA 15:
1 And certain men which came down from SDA'S, told all on CC, Except ye practice Sabbath observance after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
5 This sect of SDA's, claimed, to all on CC, that Sabbath observance is needful to them, and commanded them to keep the law of Moses.
SDA 10:9 Sabbath observance is the door: if any man practice Sabbath observance, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
SDA 14:6 Sabbath observance is the way the truth & the life, no man cometh unto the Father, but by practicing Sabbath observance.
And everybody said
1 And certain men which came down from SDA'S, told all on CC, Except ye practice Sabbath observance after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved.
5 This sect of SDA's, claimed, to all on CC, that Sabbath observance is needful to them, and commanded them to keep the law of Moses.
SDA 10:9 Sabbath observance is the door: if any man practice Sabbath observance, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
SDA 14:6 Sabbath observance is the way the truth & the life, no man cometh unto the Father, but by practicing Sabbath observance.
And everybody said
If you don't see it, You won't see it. No point in wasting my time.
Gal 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
KJV
E.G. White doesn't get away with bringing a false gospel just because she was female.
Gal 1:8-9
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
KJV
E.G. White doesn't get away with bringing a false gospel just because she was female.
Praise GOD! Thanks for sentiment. Likewise for sure.
Not at all. The only limitation is us and the work that we allow Him through Him to do in us. The New Covenant which is the Gospel is complete. His Spirit is given to us to complete the work, but Jesus' work is complete in and of it self. He has Purged us of our sins. We have been made vessels fit for Holy use; HIS Spirit. So let us walk in the Spirit and not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.
New hearts and minds. Reconciled, beholding all things are new and of GOD.
HE in us and we in HIM that the world may believe. This is the point of it all. For people to want to become part of the Kingdom, the Body of Christ, the Temple of GOD they must be able to see it and experience it through GOD through us; this is the ministry of reconciliation.
There are quite a few prophecies not fulfilled yet.
New hearts and minds. Reconciled, beholding all things are new and of GOD.
HE in us and we in HIM that the world may believe. This is the point of it all. For people to want to become part of the Kingdom, the Body of Christ, the Temple of GOD they must be able to see it and experience it through GOD through us; this is the ministry of reconciliation.
There are quite a few prophecies not fulfilled yet.
In Context Jesus said He had not come to destroy (loosen down) but to fulfill (show it forth in its true meaning) Therefore Fulfill can not mean put an end to in respect to the Law, because in that sense it would be destroyed (loosen Down).
However He did fulfil quite a few prophecies.
To even further that point in respect to the law He said until heaven earth shall pass away not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Law until all is fulfilled (has become). All has not become and heaven and earth have not passed away.
Incidentally in respect to the end of verse 18. A literal translation looks something like this. Until all may be becoming.
Who is the all? The Law in us?
Back to what we are speaking. God has said, That HE would put The Commandments in our hearts and in our minds. He has said the word , Christ is in our hearts and in our mouths.
Which Commandments, What word? How much of Christ?
Obliviously it is not the judgements and those laws pertaining to when we sin. Christ took care of them and those laws instituted due to the Temple service.
Any Laws that made the nation of Israel stand out and separate from the surrounding nations is null and void also since we has been made one in Christ.
That leaves the Decalogue and those Laws contained in the Book of the Law that showed us what righteousness is. And that my friend would include the Sabbath.
However He did fulfil quite a few prophecies.
To even further that point in respect to the law He said until heaven earth shall pass away not one jot or tittle shall pass from the Law until all is fulfilled (has become). All has not become and heaven and earth have not passed away.
Incidentally in respect to the end of verse 18. A literal translation looks something like this. Until all may be becoming.
Who is the all? The Law in us?
Back to what we are speaking. God has said, That HE would put The Commandments in our hearts and in our minds. He has said the word , Christ is in our hearts and in our mouths.
Which Commandments, What word? How much of Christ?
Obliviously it is not the judgements and those laws pertaining to when we sin. Christ took care of them and those laws instituted due to the Temple service.
Any Laws that made the nation of Israel stand out and separate from the surrounding nations is null and void also since we has been made one in Christ.
That leaves the Decalogue and those Laws contained in the Book of the Law that showed us what righteousness is. And that my friend would include the Sabbath.
That makes as much sense as the rest of the stuff you post and I disagree with.
We were not discussing dietary laws; but if you want to start; the same passage of Scripture Acts 15:28-29
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV
that makes Sabbath keeping unnecessary makes keeping the dietary laws unnecessary as well.
We were not discussing dietary laws; but if you want to start; the same passage of Scripture Acts 15:28-29
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
KJV
that makes Sabbath keeping unnecessary makes keeping the dietary laws unnecessary as well.
It only takes one sin to make us a sinner, it only takes one sin to seperate us from God, it only takes one sin to bring death and eternal death on ourselves, and it doesn't matter which sin that is they all need forgiveness. They all required the blood of Jesus to redeem us.
So do we continue in sin (any sin) that grace may abound. Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
If non Sabbath observance is a sin than Paul is saying to quit sinning.
So do we continue in sin (any sin) that grace may abound. Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
If non Sabbath observance is a sin than Paul is saying to quit sinning.