Not By Works

[Magenta]

I will agree with you for those who relentlessly and ruthlessly push the Saturday Sabbath are out of line.

But those that humbly go their way and believe that Saturday is still the Sabbath and come together on that day and worship God and Jesus, I do not think are blinded by their slavery to law keeping. Do you agree?

Yes, I agree, and whole-heartedly They are doing what they believe to be right, and it is as Paul says we are to follow our own conscience as we are convinced and as per 1 Cor 10:21. It is when those like we have seen here try to tell us we are breaking God's commandments to worship on Sunday that it gets ridiculous. And worse, they continually break the very commandments they keep saying will keep others out of God's kingdom in the process. That is part of what is so sad about it, though it makes their blindness all the more apparent

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

According to the person you agreed with, He thinks he can do it.

So I guess I wonder why you agreed with him?

I agreed with that particular post because it was the truth. Did you see a lie in it...?

 

[walknlight]

Good day!
been a while friend....

M...,

We must repent to our G-d and Creator .......then we accept Christ when we are baptized.

Matt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

also:

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

I don't exult over you by no means, just as before , trying to understand ....so we can reason together...

God Bless...

 

[joefizz]

Good day!
been a while friend....


Matt 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

also:

Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

I don't exult over you by no means, just as before , trying to understand ....so we can reason together...

God Bless...

Welcome back I don't know you but feel free to join in,also I like your avatar it makes sense.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Your first few paragraphs are the opposite of hypocrisy. They are words of humility. so odd how that works...

And by the way, you say we should all be lumped in with hypocrites because we all still sin. But a hypocrite would be defined a bit differently. A hypocrite would preach not sinning outwardly while he is doing that very thing inwardly. To know your sin prevents hypocrisy. To not know your sin causes it.

So you you have shown the opposite of arrogance and hypocrisy. Yep, its so odd how it works!

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

or get out of Gods way and let him mold us into people who are like jesus. You can’t be like Jesus in your flesh no matter how hard you try

Abraham learned that he could not bring about the child of promise by his efforts. He had to send away the child of his own efforts because only the child brought about by God was to inherit the promises.

 

[Magenta]

And by the way, you say we should all be lumped in with hypocrites...

Actually, he said "could be"

... because we all still sin. But a hypocrite would be defined a bit differently. A hypocrite would preach not sinning outwardly while he is doing that very thing inwardly.

And/or outwardly

 

[Magenta]

Abraham learned that he could not bring about the child of promise by his efforts. He had to send away the child of his own efforts because only the child brought about by God was to inherit the promises.

Not only that, but "the works of his flesh" is as a curse upon mankind.

Quite the opposite to what was promised through the working of the Spirit

 

[stonesoffire]

Yes, I can say with certainty that the problem is on our inside. It is what comes from inside a man that defiles a man.
Not sure where I swerved from the word of God there...

Apparently then, I didn't make myself clear. If we think we have a problem on the inside, after our new birth, and baptism of Holy Spirit, then the truth of who and what we are is not yet known.

That is a renewing of our mind.

But murder stunned? That needs dealt with. That goes beyond normal anger and temper.

 

[walknlight]

..... because we all still sin.....

Agreed.

Every man, woman, after Adam has a sin nature, every man woman, etc have their vices...
Scripture is clear...

(Rom 3:21) (21-26) But now, apart from law, God's righteousness has been openly shown as in view, having witness borne to it by the law and the prophets; indeed, God's righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe, for there is not a distinction, for all sinned and are falling short of the glory of God; being justified gratuitously by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God placed before the eyes of all as an expiatory satisfaction through faith in His blood for a proof of His righteousness in view of the pretermission of the sins previously committed, this pretermission being in the sphere of the forbearance of God, also for a proof of His righteousness at the present season, with a view to His being just and the justifier of the one whose faith is in Jesus.
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Now concerning these who believe "they have been glorified", and working for salvation{?}....

Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Pray for these...

God Bless...

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Apparently then, I didn't make myself clear. If we think we have a problem on the inside, after our new birth, and baptism of Holy Spirit, then the truth of who and what we are is not yet known.

That is a renewing of our mind.

But murder stunned? That needs dealt with. That goes beyond normal anger and temper.

Jesus said if I am angry with my brother without cause I have murdered him. And if I have ever done the same thing to anyone that I am angry at him about, then it is without cause. This is why Jesus prevented the throwing of stones. They had no cause.

 

[stonesoffire]

Jesus said if I am angry with my brother without cause I have murdered him. And if I have ever done the same thing to anyone that I am angry at him about, then it is without cause. This is why Jesus prevented the throwing of stones. They had no cause.

Am going to look at that scripture.

 

[walknlight]

Am going to look at that scripture.

Matt 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
Matt 5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Matt 5:23 Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;
Matt 5:24 Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.
Matt 5:25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

 

[LightLoveHope]

It's ok I suppose though one has to accept eventually that it's impossible to be the same as Jesus and that one needs Jesus.

I find this construct interesting.
A man remade, born from heaven, taken, purified and made clean in the refiners fire is not
trying to be like Jesus, they are an ambassadors of Christs grace on earth, the very body of
Christ.

Paul describes Jesus's church like this

It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality;
that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable,
not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God
1 Thessalonians 4:3-6

In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.
And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
Ephesians 2:21-22

But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:16-18


Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. The sharing here is not of freedom
but defeat and disappointment, not victory and rejoicing, but accepting the inevitable
failure of the Holy Spirit working in the believers heart.

It is why I cannot accept this disbelief which is not honoring our Lord and King or
His sacrifice that purifies and cleanses our consciences.

 

[stonesoffire]

Nothing is said about murder here stunned.

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I looked at the meanings to see what's being said. The word exasperated stood out. If we are exasperated without a good reason against another, we are in danger of being judged by the law.

But, this came to me and I believe from Holy Spirit. When we are so angry with someone that would be compared to murder, is to speak hateful words about ones character. Or gossip, start rumors in the same evil spirit.

We can murder each other with our words. Especially impressionable children, or sensitive people.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Am going to look at that scripture.

in context hes showing of you fail at any point you might as well have failed every point....

and it extends to your thoughts beyond the initial temptation you pray to be delivered from

(like fantasy or grudges)



showing the absolute need for everyone (even the pharisee)

for His imputed righteousness

 

[stonesoffire]

in context hes showing of you fail at any point you might as well have failed every point....

and it extends to your thoughts beyond the initial temptation you pray to be delivered from

(like fantasy or grudges)

And Jesus paid for all failures. He's so amazingly loving to men, who deserve nothing.

 

[LightLoveHope]

As a passing point, there is a different between being molded by Gods spirit through obedience
and being zapped into perfection.

When people say they these are the same, I lose heart in the honesty of peoples contributions
and just the desire to stir.

A driver of a car steers the car but needs all the parts to work to actually get to where
it needs to go.

There are many things we have to take by faith when we come to Jesus at the beginning
but as we walk the darkness fades and the light dawns. Purity in the heart in the key,
It our own distortions that blinds us to simplicity and reality of what it means to be
free and walking in the things of the King.

An illustration of this for me is the man who owns many precious sports cars but never
drives them. The concept of owning them, which is just the possibility of doing things
with them, but never actioning them is the same as a fan who admires the engineering
and beauty involved but never owns them. Much in life is about knowing what it is to
participate, and walking in Gods will, and not be involved in the passions of this world
but dwell in the things of God. Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.

 

[Gabriel2020]

God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. He truly do love mankind.

 

[benhur]

I find this construct interesting.
A man remade, born from heaven, taken, purified and made clean in the refiners fire is not
trying to be like Jesus, they are an ambassadors of Christs grace on earth, the very body of
Christ.

Paul describes Jesus's church like this

It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality;
that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable,
not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God
1 Thessalonians 4:3-6

In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord.
And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.
Ephesians 2:21-22

But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
And we, who with unveiled faces all reflect the Lord's glory, are being transformed into his likeness with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.
2 Corinthians 3:16-18


Where the Spirit of the Lord is there is freedom. The sharing here is not of freedom
but defeat and disappointment, not victory and rejoicing, but accepting the inevitable
failure of the Holy Spirit working in the believers heart.

It is why I cannot accept this disbelief which is not honoring our Lord and King or
His sacrifice that purifies and cleanses our consciences.

When you say "the sharing here is not of freedom but defeat and disappointment....", what are you saying, I'm not sure I follow you?