Not By Works

[Stunnedbygrace]

And not raising the voice is good. But the murder occurred before it got to that.

 

[benhur]

Some pathetic insults,you're doctrine is crumbling,clearly.

His doctrine is to be like Jesus.

How does that doctrine crumble in your eyes?

Isn't that the goal of a person that takes on the name of Jesus Christ (Christian)?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

And I also disagree that my flesh was totally put to death. If this were so, it couldn't rise up and there would be no reason for me to pick up my cross or to treat my flesh roughly.

 

[joefizz]

His doctrine is to be like Jesus.

How does that doctrine crumble in your eyes?

Isn't that the goal of a person that takes on the name of Jesus Christ (Christian)?

Desperation shows if one "can't stand by" what they believe,I have no quams with someone wanting to be like Jesus,but looking close one can see words falling to the ground from such an individual I have been through the ringer a few times with such individuals and they can't "keep to" their "own doctrines" because they have a "see everyone else" but "not themselves" mentality.

 

[MichaelOwen]

LightLoveHope

I don't know if you're trying to pass judgment or not, my hope is that you aren't. But when you are speaking of hypocrisy, ALL of us could be thrown into that boat, because we all still sin, we all still fall short of the glory of God, EVERYDAY. I close my eyes and pray to the Lord that he would forgive me where I have failed him that day or night, nobody is above or exempt from this. Roman 3:23 tells us that. The salvation Christ offers us is a free gift, and it's our choice whether to accept that gift, or to reject it. Accepting the gift does not mean you are going to be perfect, yet yes, we should strive every day to serve and please our Lord...BUT we are still going to sin, but that does not mean that the works the Holy Spirit manifests inside of us can not be seen, for they will for us who truly are endwelled with the Holy Spirit. The point is, we still as Christians are going to contend with the flesh, every single day until we see our Lord face to face and inherit our glorified body....and yes, faith without works is dead, but when we have the Holy Spirit, that means we have the faith in our Lord Jesus, and when He manifests Himself in our lives, He in turn manifests His works in us (Fruits of the Spirit, sharing the Gospel), those works are ever more present.

 

[benhur]

Desperation shows if one "can't stand by" what they believe,I have no quams with someone wanting to be like Jesus,but looking close one can see words falling to the ground from such an individual I have been through the ringer a few times with such individuals and they can't "keep to" their "own doctrines" because they have a "see everyone else" but "not themselves" mentality.

So at least a safe goal is to be as much like Jesus as we can, right?

 

[Magenta]

It is not a fallacy to worship on Saturday if that is what you believe. The key is that you come together and worship on a day that you think is the right day to worship.

Some Christians think the right day is Saturday. Some Christians think the right day is Sunday. The NT does not difinitively help us to know what the absolute right day is, so either day has to be OK.

What is not right is the Christians that believe Saturday is the right day, continually harrass other Christians that worshipping on Sunday is against God and you will find yourself in hell. And it is not right that Christians who believe Sunday is the right day to worship coninually harrass other Christians that worshipping on Saturday is against God and you will find yourself in hell.

So can we all just get along. Thank you.

I never tell anyone they must worship on Sunday. Besides, we should praise the Lord and be grateful for what He has done for us every single day. It is rather lovely to come together with other believers for teaching, fellowship, and worship, though, and also we are cautioned not to forego this, and many do this at least weekly Those who relentlessly and ruthlessly push the Sabbath are blinded by their slavery to law keeping.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How could we do it??
My righteousness must exceed theirs!
I break Gods law to not murder when I have anger in my heart at you!
I tell you I can NOT do it.
I could judge outwardly and pridefully claim I have always kept that law, but who wants to live a farce?
If it is to happen, He must do it. It would be ridiculous for me to claim I can do it.
But He can. He can give me purity of heart. I see His work in me all the time. I didn't used to, when I tried hard to do it myself.

Now will we go into our old dance of you asking me if I never sin and me having to relate to you all of my many sins?

According to the person you agreed with, He thinks he can do it.

So I guess I wonder why you agreed with him?

 

[joefizz]

So at least a safe goal is to be as much like Jesus as we can, right?

It's ok I suppose though one has to accept eventually that it's impossible to be the same as Jesus and that one needs Jesus.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your thinking does not work for many people here, either. Events do not trigger anger. What you believe about the meaning of the event is the trigger. Attitude is ninety percent, and circumstance only ten percent. Also, people too often talk about anger as if it were a sin, when it is not a sin at all if the things that anger you also anger God.

Just don't allow your anger to cause you to sin <<<~ now there's the tricky part.

Amen, the same event that may trigger anger in one person. May trigger sorrow in another person. And may trigger no reaction in another.

It is not the trigger that is the issue, it is our attitude and frame of mind (where were we focused)

the same man who called those who believe in faiht alone legalism, also excused his own sin by blaming triggers or other outward things..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Anger is an emotion yes. It is a motion of the heart. It is murder by our Saviors words. By His words, it is a motion of the heart that is murder.

You remind me of peterjens. He used to come in here. Don't know when he stopped posting...anyway, you remind me of him.

He reminds EVERYONE who knew him of that person.

by the way, just so you know, Peter stopped posting when he was banned!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is not a fallacy to worship on Saturday if that is what you believe. The key is that you come together and worship on a day that you think is the right day to worship.

Some Christians think the right day is Saturday. Some Christians think the right day is Sunday. The NT does not difinitively help us to know what the absolute right day is, so either day has to be OK.

What is not right is the Christians that believe Saturday is the right day, continually harrass other Christians that worshipping on Sunday is against God and you will find yourself in hell. And it is not right that Christians who believe Sunday is the right day to worship coninually harrass other Christians that worshipping on Saturday is against God and you will find yourself in hell.

So can we all just get along. Thank you.

Some people think the right day is every day, or as often as they can, Not one day a week. They would not tell their spouses who they love I will come see and spend a few hours with you on one day. Why would they do it to God who saved them?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

His doctrine is to be like Jesus.

How does that doctrine crumble in your eyes?

Isn't that the goal of a person that takes on the name of Jesus Christ (Christian)?

No his doctrine is to of your own power be like jesus, and if you do this, your saved.

Vs, getting saved through repentance and faith, and letting Jesus mold you into a person who is like him.

HUGE difference.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So at least a safe goal is to be as much like Jesus as we can, right?

or get out of Gods way and let him mold us into people who are like jesus. You can’t be like Jesus in your flesh no matter how hard you try

 

[benhur]

I never tell anyone they must worship on Sunday. Besides, we should praise the Lord and be grateful for what He has done for us every single day. It is rather lovely to come together with other believers for teaching, fellowship, and worship, though, and also we are cautioned not to forego this, and many do this at least weekly Those who relentlessly and ruthlessly push the Sabbath are blinded by their slavery to law keeping.

I will agree with you for those who relentlessly and ruthlessly push the Saturday Sabbath are out of line.

But those that humbly go their way and believe that Saturday is still the Sabbath and come together on that day and worship God and Jesus, I do not think are blinded by their slavery to law keeping. Do you agree?

 

[joefizz]

No his doctrine is to of your own power be like jesus, and if you do this, your saved.

Vs, getting saved through repentance and faith, and letting Jesus mold you into a person who is like him.

HUGE difference.

Yep as I recall oh so well some guys in the new testament leaped into casting out demons without believing wholly in Jesus and were chased away by devils,you must have "Jesus" or you have "nothing" to stand against sin with.

 

[walknlight]

The tax collector got on his knees and accepted Christ, (like most people) One does not have to do a deed to accpet christ, they just have to do it.

Agreed.

G3340
μετανοέω
metanoeō
met-an-o-eh'-o
From G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): - repent.
Total KJV occurrences: 34
μετανοέω metanoeō

Tense: Aorist
Voice: Active
Mood: Imperative
* The Aorist Active Imperative (a commandment) verb form occurs 375 times in the New Testament.

Yeshua came preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.
Matthew 4:17 tells us: "Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
Yeshua was not suggesting repentance here, He is commanding it.

Repentence is continual until Glorification:

• Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

God Bless...

 

[benhur]

Some people think the right day is every day, or as often as they can, Not one day a week. They would not tell their spouses who they love I will come see and spend a few hours with you on one day. Why would they do it to God who saved them?

You make a good point. Thank you.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
Some seem to mistake the objective of participating in forums with domination of one point
of view.

We all bring our own experiences and perspectives, and given our backgrounds some might
find this hard to take.

I love to here from the Lord through other peoples inspiration and testimony, which is why
forums are such a blessing,

grace and Peace to you
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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post



im only bringing scripture

my "point of view" has always been subject to change based on Gods inspired written word


those beliefs that are obvious lies

are cursed and those who push them are to be as well


those who God has revealed the truth too here
only wish to correct those who are trying to spread a false gospel

all different members of the body wish to shine light on these who are currently functioning as wolves in order they be born again as sheep


some with a gentle hand to try to guide

other with a forceful arm wishing to yank them from the broad path


its a shame some have eyes that dont see
and ears that dont hear

because the truth lies in Jesus finished work on the cross

by His grace through faith we can be saved


and it is not of our works

those who are His
remain His
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed
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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
"those beliefs that are obvious lies
are cursed and those who push them are to be as well"

"functioning as wolves"

These are strong words, dangerous accusations.
In the past such words have led to one group actually killing another over
points of view of faith, claiming the other side were really xxxxxxxxxxxx evil.

It is always easy to do this than understand why things are said and believed.
So I suggest rather than cursing scripture, and cursing believers, you actually
take time to let the Lord show you what love is and how it works.

Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus
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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
notice i said those who function as wolves are those who preach a false gospel


and im not going to kill anyone

so rest easy
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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
My friend, I do not know what you are going to do.




Your heart will limit how far your emotions run.
But cursing believers and beliefs generally is not a good idea, endangers your eternal future.

You need to know the Spirit who you follow, and what are His ways.
Unfortunately those who go down this road you are travelling harden their hearts to the extent
they know how to lash out, but not much more, and have become captives of their passions.

grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus, Amen
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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post





you said i cursed scripture


i said false gospels are cursed

those who spread them are CURRENTLY FUNCTIONING AS wolves


i hope God opens your eyes "light"

you did falsely accuse me



but i was once also functioning as a wolf

until God showed me the truth

if you are offended by what i said

that should tell you something
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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
So I am falsely accusing you of cursing beliefs and believers?
And my concern over your spiritual state by cursing should tell me I have problems?

My friend, God help the confused soul you have become,

grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus.
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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
you are confused

these are your words

"
So I suggest rather than cursing scripture, and cursing believers, you actually"


i never once cursed anyone

i said FALSE preachers ARE cursed BASED on
SCRIPTURE


6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.



you have now been a false witness over and over

you are in error

Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
beliefs that are obvious lies

are cursed and those who push them are to be as well


those who God has revealed the truth too here
only wish to correct those who are trying to spread a false gospel

all different members of the body wish to shine light on these who are currently functioning as wolves in order they be born again as sheep

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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
I wonder at the animosity people have in their hearts.

Does anyone need a clearer signal than, Jesus is not here, I have serious problems
and am trying very hard to cover them up.

Grapes and figs, or thorns and thistles.

Gentleness and a humble heart, or strident putting people in their place, which is it?

A young child in a nursery could spot the differences. People want spiritual authority
and recognition so badly and think bullying and harrying actually is the road to walk.

Grace and peace to you all, in Christ Jesus who humbled himself and went to the cross
for our sins, Amen



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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
i cant speak for everyone
but since you have been talking directly to me
i forgive you

and have no animosity despite your lies and false witnesses

and character attacks even if you refuse to admit your error

if i bold or make something big

its in hopes you understand what i mean

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Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
My friend, beliefs are not obvious lies, because that is why so many believe them.

The brainwashed and indoctrinated always declare a particular view is so obviously
wrong, yet we fought two world wars with millions of people believing they were right,
and there were many lies and truths spoken by both sides.

Jesus called us to love our enemies, because the truth is we are the same, and often
put different people in the role of the enemy and friend, and both are wrong.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

First they came - Pastor Marin Niemoller

I have seen many religious groups, from RCC to wakey house church, good people in all
yet with many contradictions.

I look to the best in all and their contributions,

Grace and peace to you in Christ Jesus our Lord.


Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
My friend, you have said I lied. I told you how your words came across and reflected
back a warning. People love to play innocents, I never meant the curse on them no
on them because they really really deserve it.

And making it bigger, fonts just means you are so emotionally carried away you cannot
accept some simply do not agree with you. But that should be ok.

Wisdom. If someone with a good heart points something out that is a problem saying
they are lying and bearing a false witness just testifies about who you are and nothing else.
This is behaviour of thorns and thistles, not grace and love.

I hold no animosity towards you, I have met this approach before, a steam train wanting to
push all before it. I admire the enthusiasm, but not the content.

And your words, God forgive your extreme expressions of sin and accusation.

Grace and peace to you


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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
i corrected you BEFORE i said you lied





i let you know you falsely accused me


then you rejected reproof
even after i TOLD you what i said
and showed you

quoted it to show you where you first misunderstood


you rejected this

after that it was a lie
Quote Originally Posted by LightLoveHope View Post
You really think people desiring to follow Jesus are cursed and their sharing is cursed?

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Quote Originally Posted by NoNameMcgee View Post
did i say that?


No.

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.




you go ahead and keep making false accusations

i never cursed anyone or anything

i said false preachers are cursed

i never said believers

i said false preachers (who pervert the gospel of Christ)

i never said scripture

i said false gospel



and when i said currently functioning as a wolf
i implied they too can come to the truth by "currently"


if you are asking if i think

"You really think people desiring to follow Jesus are cursed and their sharing is cursed"

1944. epikataratos ►
Strong's Concordance
epikataratos: accursed
Original Word: ἐπικατάρατος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: epikataratos
Phonetic Spelling: (ep-ee-kat-ar'-at-os)
Short Definition: accursed
Definition: on whom a curse has been invoked, accursed, doomed to destruction.

^^^^^^^

if these are sheep in error
they will hear Gods call
repent from their false gospel

and come to the true gospel of Christ

if these functioning as wolves

stay wolves and deny the true gospel

they are cursed "accursed"

again

incase you missed it


8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

LightLoveHope

I don't know if you're trying to pass judgment or not, my hope is that you aren't. But when you are speaking of hypocrisy, ALL of us could be thrown into that boat, because we all still sin, we all still fall short of the glory of God, EVERYDAY. I close my eyes and pray to the Lord that he would forgive me where I have failed him that day or night, nobody is above or exempt from this. Roman 3:23 tells us that. The salvation Christ offers us is a free gift, and it's our choice whether to accept that gift, or to reject it. Accepting the gift does not mean you are going to be perfect, yet yes, we should strive every day to serve and please our Lord...BUT we are still going to sin, but that does not mean that the works the Holy Spirit manifests inside of us can not be seen, for they will for us who truly are endwelled with the Holy Spirit. The point is, we still as Christians are going to contend with the flesh, every single day until we see our Lord face to face and inherit our glorified body....and yes, faith without works is dead, but when we have the Holy Spirit, that means we have the faith in our Lord Jesus, and when He manifests Himself in our lives, He in turn manifests His works in us (Fruits of the Spirit, sharing the Gospel), those works are ever more present.

Your first few paragraphs are the opposite of hypocrisy. They are words of humility. so odd how that works...