I Want To Suffer MORE for Jesus Christ.
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[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Lk 9:23–25). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Lk 9:23–25). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in [SUP]z[/SUP]necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.
The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., 2 Co 12:7–10). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., 2 Co 12:7–10). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
The God of Abraham is their God and it is the one true God of the Jews and the father of Christ in Christianity one you toss out the trinity false teaching.
Is that from some reference book or is it your own. No offense but a definition coming from a non-judgmental source would be best. It is believers in God rather than believers Islam specifically.
Who Are the “Infidels”? | A Faithful Word
"Thus, the Qur'an impresses upon all who believe in God - Muslims and non-Muslims alike - that the differences in their religious practices should make them "vie with one another in doing good works" rather than lose themselves in mutual hostility"
Jesus was a prophet only when he was with the woman from the well, should she have been stoned or something for her remark?
Joh:4:19:
The woman saith unto him,
Sir,
I perceive that thou art a prophet.
Joh:4:20:
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain;
and ye say,
that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
Is that from some reference book or is it your own. No offense but a definition coming from a non-judgmental source would be best. It is believers in God rather than believers Islam specifically.
Who Are the “Infidels”? | A Faithful Word
"Thus, the Qur'an impresses upon all who believe in God - Muslims and non-Muslims alike - that the differences in their religious practices should make them "vie with one another in doing good works" rather than lose themselves in mutual hostility"
Jesus was a prophet only when he was with the woman from the well, should she have been stoned or something for her remark?
Joh:4:19:
The woman saith unto him,
Sir,
I perceive that thou art a prophet.
Joh:4:20:
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain;
and ye say,
that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
He wasn't saying that he was saying even the nicest Muslim is lost. It was a personal opinion rather than one supported by any Scripture. Abraham had 1 God, not two or three or four, 1.
Saying another person is not saved is only one way of a few ways a believer can lose their spot in the 1,000 year reign. The other is being a false Christian, that would also include any person who eats and meat that was sacrificed in a religions ritual. If this one doesn't grab you the NT verses. This is used as it covers the 12 Tribes as well as all Christians. After Xmas and Passover how many of those two groups would be left alive. Christians should be more concerned about their own house and keep their nooses out of where it doesn't belong as they do not have a very good understanding of the Bible, even more so for the 12 tribes that reject the NT as being less that their OT.
Isa:66:3:
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man;
he that sacrificeth a lamb,
as if he cut off a dog's neck;
he that offereth an oblation,
as if he offered swine's blood;
he that burneth incense,
as if he blessed an idol.
Yea,
they have chosen their own ways,
and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
1Co:5:9-11:
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
Would there even be 1% of them left if that judgment came down today?
Saying another person is not saved is only one way of a few ways a believer can lose their spot in the 1,000 year reign. The other is being a false Christian, that would also include any person who eats and meat that was sacrificed in a religions ritual. If this one doesn't grab you the NT verses. This is used as it covers the 12 Tribes as well as all Christians. After Xmas and Passover how many of those two groups would be left alive. Christians should be more concerned about their own house and keep their nooses out of where it doesn't belong as they do not have a very good understanding of the Bible, even more so for the 12 tribes that reject the NT as being less that their OT.
Isa:66:3:
He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man;
he that sacrificeth a lamb,
as if he cut off a dog's neck;
he that offereth an oblation,
as if he offered swine's blood;
he that burneth incense,
as if he blessed an idol.
Yea,
they have chosen their own ways,
and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
1Co:5:9-11:
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world,
or with the covetous,
or extortioners,
or with idolaters;
for then must ye needs go out of the world.
But now I have written unto you not to keep company,
if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator,
or covetous,
or an idolater,
or a railer,
or a drunkard,
or an extortioner;
with such an one no not to eat.
Would there even be 1% of them left if that judgment came down today?
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[SUP]Col 1:24
24 [/SUP]Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:
The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Col 1:24). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
24 [/SUP]Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:
The Holy Bible: King James Version. (2009). (Electronic Edition of the 1900 Authorized Version., Col 1:24). Bellingham, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
Did you miss the part where the woman called him a prophet and didn't drop dead?
The NT is the guide rather than the Quran so they are missing a few details just like the OT leaves out some things that should be included because John the Baptist was called by God the same way Moses was and that mean the two books his Disciple penned is as authoritative as any OT book. That being the Gospel of John and Revelations of John.
The NT is the guide rather than the Quran so they are missing a few details just like the OT leaves out some things that should be included because John the Baptist was called by God the same way Moses was and that mean the two books his Disciple penned is as authoritative as any OT book. That being the Gospel of John and Revelations of John.
Hard to be a prophet and be just a man isn't it. You are taking up a cause that God said is not an issue with him so whose bidding are you doing, God or the human warmongers that are targeting Muslims. Not a good idea to ignore what God has determined as it puts your place in the 1,000 years in peril.
M't:12:31:
Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
M't:12:32:
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world,
neither in the world to come.
M't:12:31:
Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
M't:12:32:
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world,
neither in the world to come.
I dont know what kind of suffering youve had but forgive me if I sound rude but if you want more then thats the kind of suffering I want! Because as far as I know suffering is less then desirable and not something you wish for. So your either infinitly more humble then I or you dont know what real suffering is
Back to the OP, after this digression by someone from Canada! (How embarrassing!)
I totally agree with Romans 5:3-5, in modern English, but I do NOT think it tells us to look for suffering.
Rather, the verse tells us that no matter what we suffer, God is with us, gives us hope, changes us and we can REJOICE that Jesus has brought us reconciliation through the cross of Christ.
"Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Through him we have also obtained access by fait into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation."Romans 5:1-11 NET
Reality tells us living in a fallen world, we will suffer. There are trials and tribulations to go through. That might well include going to a Muslim country to share the gospel, and be killed for it.
It might be the loss of family, financial reverses or sickness. And of course, the long term tribulation is death. Notice the next verse after the one above.
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—" Romans 5:12 NET
I do not believe God wants us to purposely suffer. In other words, become a victim. Instead, we suffer because we live in this world, but what a hope and joy we have in Jesus Christ! Suffering for suffering's sake is certainly NOT what this passage is talking about.
I know I have suffered physically for over 20 years.But God has used that to change my character, and to find that I can rejoice every day, not because of suffering, but because God has turned my mourning into dancing, and I can rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
But there is a difference between God allowing us to suffer, and choosing to suffer for no reason. Again, dangerous mission work is certainly an important exception! But since the OP seems to say she has always suffered, I doubt she is talking about a future plan to evangelize Muslims.
I totally agree with Romans 5:3-5, in modern English, but I do NOT think it tells us to look for suffering.
Rather, the verse tells us that no matter what we suffer, God is with us, gives us hope, changes us and we can REJOICE that Jesus has brought us reconciliation through the cross of Christ.
"Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. 2 Through him we have also obtained access by fait into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, 4 and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, 5 and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. 10 For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. 11 More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation."Romans 5:1-11 NET
Reality tells us living in a fallen world, we will suffer. There are trials and tribulations to go through. That might well include going to a Muslim country to share the gospel, and be killed for it.
It might be the loss of family, financial reverses or sickness. And of course, the long term tribulation is death. Notice the next verse after the one above.
"Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—" Romans 5:12 NET
I do not believe God wants us to purposely suffer. In other words, become a victim. Instead, we suffer because we live in this world, but what a hope and joy we have in Jesus Christ! Suffering for suffering's sake is certainly NOT what this passage is talking about.
I know I have suffered physically for over 20 years.But God has used that to change my character, and to find that I can rejoice every day, not because of suffering, but because God has turned my mourning into dancing, and I can rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ.
But there is a difference between God allowing us to suffer, and choosing to suffer for no reason. Again, dangerous mission work is certainly an important exception! But since the OP seems to say she has always suffered, I doubt she is talking about a future plan to evangelize Muslims.
