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MichaelOwen

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Ralph- said:
McGee, Deek, Joe, Lucy, PennEd, Eternally-grateful, Budman,

Let's put an end to this right now.

Can a person who puts their trust in Christ then live any way they want and they still be saved?

Yes, or no?
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It's not a matter of a person living how they want to, I mean I would have to imagine that even Christian want to live a certain way, as long as it is pleasing to the Lord. You gotta remember Ralph, we even as Christians are still going to be tempted, and we are still going to stumble in this new walk of life with Jesus, but that does not take our salvation away. Our salvation is eternal once we have attained it through confession and belief in the heart of Jesus Christ as our Savior. We ALL act in the flesh as Christians, and you can't say that you don't from time to time, because we ALL do.
 
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joefizz said:
Would you be clear?
now I don't know if that's bacon burgers and chili fries,plain burgers and plain fries,or even if those guys serving that food are handing it out for free...grrrrr
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did i SAY bacon or chilli GEEEZ

reread my post

open your eyes man!
 
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joefizz

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NoNameMcgee said:
did i SAY bacon or chilli GEEEZ

reread my post

open your eyes man!
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But my "imagination" gets in my way and leads me to my conclusions from things that "aren't there" do you have to be so mean to me?
 
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NoNameMcgee

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joefizz said:
But my "imagination" gets in my way and leads me to my conclusions from things that "aren't there" do you have to be so mean to me?
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love is wanting the best for someone...

it doesnt mean i have to gentle when i pull your fries out the fryer or burger off the grill

as long as your belly is full....

service is another thing entirely
 
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NoNameMcgee said:
love is wanting the best for someone...

it doesnt mean i have to gentle when i pull your fries out the fryer or burger off the grill

as long as your belly is full....

service is another thing entirely
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Yep just seeing what it's like to be a mixed up basket case cry baby,it was a fascinating experience.
 
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NoNameMcgee

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joefizz said:
Yep just seeing what it's like to be a mixed up basket case cry baby,it was a fascinating experience.
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LOLOL

well im glad youve turned around

i can almost smell the growth.....

wait:confused:
 
Chester

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Ralph- said:
McGee, Deek, Joe, Lucy, PennEd, Eternally-grateful, Budman,

Let's put an end to this right now.

Can a person who puts their trust in Christ then live any way they want and they still be saved?

Yes, or no?
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Easy answer, Ralph . . .

Is the person trusting/believing in Christ? If yes, they are saved - that is - they are a believer. If no, they are not saved (they are not a believer).

How they are living is not the determining cause of salvation.
 
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Chester said:
Easy answer, Ralph . . .

Is the person trusting/believing in Christ? If yes, they are saved - that is - they are a believer. If no, they are not saved (they are not a believer).

How they are living is not the determining cause of salvation.
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true, but it is really a mute point, because we should not be judging who is saved, who is not, who's in, who's out, we do not know the heart, that is between the individual and God.

ralph kramden thinks he can judge, he is wrong, has been proven wrong many times over, hopefully one day he will drop this attitude.
 
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joefizz said:
Would you be clear?
now I don't know if that's bacon burgers and chili fries,plain burgers and plain fries,or even if those guys serving that food are handing it out for free...grrrrr
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It is only free if YTou work for it,. Fail to work, and you will have to give it back. If you fail to give it back, they will take it from you, then punish you seven times more.
 
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PennEd said:

It's like saying can a bird be a bird if it doesn't lay any eggs?

That chicken that doesn't lay any eggs is STILL a chicken, just not one that is going to bring His owner much joy.
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Okay, looks like youre answering 'yes', a person CAN live anyway they want after trusting Christ and they will still be saved. You use the analogy that a chicken is still a chicken even if it doesn't lay any eggs to prove it. And yet so many are saying nobody here is saying that we can live anyway we want after getting saved. You are.
 
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joefizz said:
Why be clear?
you like the carousel so you're getting what you want.
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It's a simple question. Just answer it.

See, you've already answered it your mind when you read the question. Tell us what that answer was so we can settle this once and for all.
 
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Ralph- said:
It's a simple question. Just answer it.

See, you've already answered it your mind when you read the question. Tell us what that answer was so we can settle this once and for all.
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Who is we?
are you Legion?:confused:
 
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NoNameMcgee

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Ralph- said:
McGee, Deek, Joe, Lucy, PennEd, Eternally-grateful, Budman,

Let's put an end to this right now.

Can a person who puts their trust in Christ then live any way they want and they still be saved?

Yes, or no?
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anyone with a new heart will only want to live for God

when they fall short
or act in the flesh
yeah they are still saved


if you still want to live a sinful life

id suggest to examine yourself

because that doesnt sound like a new heart to me

and thats what God examines...

not your works


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my answer to your question

youre disregarding the new heart and spirit He places in you when youre born again

also the fact God chastens His children


yes if you truely believe and are born of God and He began His work in you
your life does not effect your salvation regardless how you live


He knows His sheep
 
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notuptome said:
Can they or will they?
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CAN they live anyway they want after trusting Christ.....that's what I asked.


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The bible says that those who are saved by grace are created by God to good works. Eph 2:10 if you care to look up the verse.

Good works are not a certain evidence of salvation.

Lu 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

Jesus said even evil men give good gifts to their children.
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But that doesn't answer the question.
If I am created by God to do good works, can I live any way I want to and still be saved? Yes, or no?



notuptome said:
Do you consider yourself saved because you do good works? Will that be your testimony before Christ on judgment day?
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My life will be the testimony of my faith, or the absence of faith, on Judgment day.

Those who have works of faith know they are ready to meet Christ when he returns. Their works bearing witness that they have the faith that justifies apart from works. Paul himself said that the faith that justifies is the faith that loves (obeys God's commands).
 
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NoNameMcgee said:
anyone with a new heart will only want to live for God

when they fall short
or act in the flesh
yeah they are still saved


if you still want to live a sinful life

id suggest to examine yourself

because that doesnt sound like a new heart to me

and thats what God examines...

not your works


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my answer to your question

youre disregarding the new heart and spirit He places in you when youre born again

also the fact God chastens His children


yes if you truely believe and are born of God and He began His work in you
your life does not effect your salvation regardless how you live


He knows His sheep
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I'll put you down for a 'yes'. You are saying the believer CAN live any way he wants after he is saved and he is still saved. That is exactly what one is saying when they say God will just kill you if you live any way you want after being saved and you will still be saved. But I have been blasted over and over and over for saying that's what you people have been saying.

What you believe is called 'Freegrace' or 'Hypergrace' doctrine. It says works do not matter and that you can live anyway you want and God will just kill you if you don't live for him and you will remain saved. Most of you people believe this but then you'll turn right around and get angry and deny you're saying grace is a license to live in sin and still be saved.

I'm exposing the foolish duplicity of your doctrine.
 
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You people would be better off just going back to traditional theology that says the person who doesn't live for God after being saved is not saved. At least that doctrine makes some sense and doesn't make grace a license to live in sin.
 
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