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Thee are 2 interpretations for Romans 7.
Some look at Romans 7 to be about Paul fighting 2 natures and while he was saved.
The other Interpretation that others look to is that Paul was expressing how futile it was to live rightoeus according to the Law before he was converted.
The key verse people miss, or run past in Romans 7, is Romans 7:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
I am not going to sit here and tell a person which interpretation is right for them. I will say that if we say we are constantly fighting 2 natures, then we are making most of what Paul wrote to be a lie. This is because Paul talks in several other of his Epistles about putting on the new man and dying to the old man, being crucified with Christ and begin raised into newness of life. IOW, the New Nature that is born of incorruptible seed allows a man to walk in the Spirit and the Spirit can control a man from living in sin. Note I did not say it makes him perfect, or sinless, I said it keeps him from living in sin.
This is belonging to Christ Jesus and crucifying the flesh and it's passions and desires.
Some look at Romans 7 to be about Paul fighting 2 natures and while he was saved.
The other Interpretation that others look to is that Paul was expressing how futile it was to live rightoeus according to the Law before he was converted.
The key verse people miss, or run past in Romans 7, is Romans 7:6
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter.
I am not going to sit here and tell a person which interpretation is right for them. I will say that if we say we are constantly fighting 2 natures, then we are making most of what Paul wrote to be a lie. This is because Paul talks in several other of his Epistles about putting on the new man and dying to the old man, being crucified with Christ and begin raised into newness of life. IOW, the New Nature that is born of incorruptible seed allows a man to walk in the Spirit and the Spirit can control a man from living in sin. Note I did not say it makes him perfect, or sinless, I said it keeps him from living in sin.
This is belonging to Christ Jesus and crucifying the flesh and it's passions and desires.
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There really should not be an argument, Paul used present tense words in his argument. Thats that ai want to do I do not do. He did not use past tense words. So he could not be speaking about his past life. He was speaking of his present war between the spirit and the flesh. ROM 8 is how we, as those who are at risk for having the same struggle, can find victory. WHere do we place our focus? The law or the spirit.
The victory is that their is no condemnation for those in christ. Thus the law has no power over us (although at times, we give the law power over us, when we look to the flesh, or seek the things of the flesh and not the spirit.)
The victory is that their is no condemnation for those in christ. Thus the law has no power over us (although at times, we give the law power over us, when we look to the flesh, or seek the things of the flesh and not the spirit.)
Are people aware of impurity entering their lives?
If they are never purified, no because nothing changes.
If they are washed clean and known forgiveness, yes.
Now to those who say, do not worry about defilement, God takes care of it all.
When you drive a car, 2 seconds of not looking can cost your life.
It is very easy to drift, and it is not that difficult to pay attention to the road.
But for these super spiritual types, sin is not a problem, do not even spend time
repenting and confessing, you will be ok, nothing could ever go wrong, except
it is going wrong all the time, and nothing is being put right.
When Paul says live a Holy life, do you really think this means have no awareness
of what defiles and how to love with a conviction and decisive heart?
Based on attitudes expressed here, the vehemence of declaring they sin constantly
there is both not a real understanding of Holiness and evil, or else they are simply
not saved at all. Certainly I do not hear struggling or sadness of heart over failure.
If they are never purified, no because nothing changes.
If they are washed clean and known forgiveness, yes.
Now to those who say, do not worry about defilement, God takes care of it all.
When you drive a car, 2 seconds of not looking can cost your life.
It is very easy to drift, and it is not that difficult to pay attention to the road.
But for these super spiritual types, sin is not a problem, do not even spend time
repenting and confessing, you will be ok, nothing could ever go wrong, except
it is going wrong all the time, and nothing is being put right.
When Paul says live a Holy life, do you really think this means have no awareness
of what defiles and how to love with a conviction and decisive heart?
Based on attitudes expressed here, the vehemence of declaring they sin constantly
there is both not a real understanding of Holiness and evil, or else they are simply
not saved at all. Certainly I do not hear struggling or sadness of heart over failure.
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come off it
if you think you dont sin you are decieved
1 john 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
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Phar·i·see
ˈferəˌsē/Submit
noun
a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity.
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a self-righteous person; a hypocrite.
◄ 5330. Pharisaios ►
Strong's Concordance
Pharisaios: a Pharisee, member of a Jewish religious sect
Original Word: Φαρισαῖος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Pharisaios
Phonetic Spelling: (far-is-ah'-yos)
Short Definition: a Pharisee
Definition: a Pharisee, one of the Jewish sect so called.
HELPS Word-studies
5330 Pharisaíos – properly, "a separatist, a purist"; a Pharisee."
["Pharisee" is derived from the Aramaic term, peras ("to divide and separate"). This literally refers to a "separatist"; hence, a Pharisee was someone "separated from sin."]
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Romans 10:3
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
if you think you dont sin you are decieved
1 john 1
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
_____
Phar·i·see
ˈferəˌsē/Submit
noun
a member of an ancient Jewish sect, distinguished by strict observance of the traditional and written law, and commonly held to have pretensions to superior sanctity.
___
a self-righteous person; a hypocrite.
◄ 5330. Pharisaios ►
Strong's Concordance
Pharisaios: a Pharisee, member of a Jewish religious sect
Original Word: Φαρισαῖος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Pharisaios
Phonetic Spelling: (far-is-ah'-yos)
Short Definition: a Pharisee
Definition: a Pharisee, one of the Jewish sect so called.
HELPS Word-studies
5330 Pharisaíos – properly, "a separatist, a purist"; a Pharisee."
["Pharisee" is derived from the Aramaic term, peras ("to divide and separate"). This literally refers to a "separatist"; hence, a Pharisee was someone "separated from sin."]
________
Romans 10:3
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
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Thats why it is a waste of time, If they can not see their sin, they will never see they have yet to repent. If they can nto see they have never repented, they will never repent. if they never repent. They will remain in unbelief, As they continue to remain in unbelief, they will continue to think they are righteous and holy.
Only God can help them now. And I pray he does..
Only God can help them now. And I pray he does..
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◄ 2398. chata ►
Strong's Concordance
chata: to miss, go wrong, sin
Original Word: חָטָא
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: chata
Phonetic Spelling: (khaw-taw')
Short Definition: sinned
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to miss, go wrong, sin
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anything other that perfection is missing the mark
5582. pseusma ►
Strong's Concordance
pseusma: a lie, falsehood
Original Word: ψεῦσμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: pseusma
Phonetic Spelling: (psyoos'-mah)
Short Definition: a falsehood, lie
Definition: a falsehood, lie, untruthfulness.
and you lied and didnt repent
you also denied it "light"
youve been living in sin for awhile now
put your faith in Jesus
you cant save yourself
you need His imputed righteousness
yours is like a filthy rag
(as is mine)
Strong's Concordance
chata: to miss, go wrong, sin
Original Word: חָטָא
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: chata
Phonetic Spelling: (khaw-taw')
Short Definition: sinned
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
a prim. root
Definition
to miss, go wrong, sin
_________
anything other that perfection is missing the mark
5582. pseusma ►
Strong's Concordance
pseusma: a lie, falsehood
Original Word: ψεῦσμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: pseusma
Phonetic Spelling: (psyoos'-mah)
Short Definition: a falsehood, lie
Definition: a falsehood, lie, untruthfulness.
and you lied and didnt repent
you also denied it "light"
youve been living in sin for awhile now
put your faith in Jesus
you cant save yourself
you need His imputed righteousness
yours is like a filthy rag
(as is mine)
Here is a simple point.
A person lives alone, with no contact with the outside world.
The get up, spend time with Jesus. They cook, work and go to bed.
They wake the next morning to repeat this cycle.
Now please tell me the sin which you guys want to say they do?
It is obvious, it is not difficult to not sin in this situation.
Now extract that further into a social context. Is it still possible not to sin?
This is where the logic of the monastic life came from. The idea was to reduce
life down to its most basic elements, and then build it up again.
Maybe this is new to some of you, but this is as old as the faith.
A person lives alone, with no contact with the outside world.
The get up, spend time with Jesus. They cook, work and go to bed.
They wake the next morning to repeat this cycle.
Now please tell me the sin which you guys want to say they do?
It is obvious, it is not difficult to not sin in this situation.
Now extract that further into a social context. Is it still possible not to sin?
This is where the logic of the monastic life came from. The idea was to reduce
life down to its most basic elements, and then build it up again.
Maybe this is new to some of you, but this is as old as the faith.
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That is correct nobody will ever be perfect as Jesus.
Jesus also does not expect you to live IN sin/flesh and constantly be carnally minded either. Committing sin as a believer is going to happen. Waking constantly in the flesh and being carnal minded at all times and claiming you are growing in Christ is a lie to yourself, others and Jesus and God. The fact is, a person like this is most likely not saved. The Bible says to be carnally minded is to be an enemy or to be hostile with God and cannot please God.~Romans 8:7-8~
Jesus also does not expect you to live IN sin/flesh and constantly be carnally minded either. Committing sin as a believer is going to happen. Waking constantly in the flesh and being carnal minded at all times and claiming you are growing in Christ is a lie to yourself, others and Jesus and God. The fact is, a person like this is most likely not saved. The Bible says to be carnally minded is to be an enemy or to be hostile with God and cannot please God.~Romans 8:7-8~
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We still have tense of the words used. I think it may be interesting to. Thats the Way God inspired it. But you can not get away from the tense of the words. There may be two interpretations. But only one fits. Period. If the other interpretation had any root in it, Paul would have spoke of his past life &the things I wanted to do I could nbot do) not his present life (the thing I want to do, I can not do) and this is just one example. He had no war in the past life. He had no spirit to war with, his whole battle pre salvation wasa with the flesh. The war with the spirit did nto occurs until he was made spiritually alive.
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very true
our salvation isnt based on our performance
after we are saved
we are saved for good
but if someone is made a new creature
the Holy spirit is truely powerful
and if someone is living like a reprobate
though we cant see their heart
id say thats a good sign they were never made new
God chastens His children
sin... isnt some play thing
and grace is not a license to sin
our salvation isnt based on our performance
after we are saved
we are saved for good
but if someone is made a new creature
the Holy spirit is truely powerful
and if someone is living like a reprobate
though we cant see their heart
id say thats a good sign they were never made new
God chastens His children
sin... isnt some play thing
and grace is not a license to sin
All believers are saved and forgiven for what they believe is sin, and forgiven for things they missed.
Each must be fully convinced in their own mind what is right and what is Sin.
The only unforgivable Sin is rejecting the Holy Spirit with will and intent and permanence.
Even that is forgivable but this sin that leads to death builds a wall that stops us from accepting
forgiveness. For this reason, it leads to death.
Each must be fully convinced in their own mind what is right and what is Sin.
The only unforgivable Sin is rejecting the Holy Spirit with will and intent and permanence.
Even that is forgivable but this sin that leads to death builds a wall that stops us from accepting
forgiveness. For this reason, it leads to death.