Do you think transgenders go to heaven?
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The Bible clearly says God hates them. He hates them because they are in rebellion against His sovereignty and order of having them be born the way He wanted and having the separation between male and female. It is a conscious flipping the middle finger at God.
Women must not pretend to be men, and men must not pretend to be women. The Lord your God is disgusted with people who do that.
Deuteronomy 22:5 CEVUS06
https://bible.com/bible/392/deu.22.5.CEVUS06
“Women are not to wear men's clothing, and men are not to wear women's clothing; the Lord your God hates people who do such things.
Deuteronomy 22:5 GNT
https://bible.com/bible/68/deu.22.5.GNT
Women must not pretend to be men, and men must not pretend to be women. The Lord your God is disgusted with people who do that.
Deuteronomy 22:5 CEVUS06
https://bible.com/bible/392/deu.22.5.CEVUS06
“Women are not to wear men's clothing, and men are not to wear women's clothing; the Lord your God hates people who do such things.
Deuteronomy 22:5 GNT
https://bible.com/bible/68/deu.22.5.GNT
Anyone who has ever sinned have been in rebellion against His sovereignty, regardless of the type and nature of sin. Most of us have gave God a conscious flipping of a middle finger, myself included. God doesn't hate them but rather the sin. God is love and He loves all who have sinned which is just about everybody.
God does not love an intentional sinner such as trans and gays. There is no atonement for them:
The priest is to make atonement for the whole Israelite community, and they will be forgiven, for it was not intentional and they have presented to the Lord for their wrong a food offering and a sin offering. The priest is to make atonement before the Lord for the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when atonement has been made, that person will be forgiven. One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner residing among you. “ ‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the Lord and must be cut off from the people of Israel. Because they have despised the Lord ’s word and broken his commands, they must surely be cut off; their guilt remains on them.’ ”
Numbers 15:25*, 28*-31 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/num.15.25-31.NIV
The priest is to make atonement for the whole Israelite community, and they will be forgiven, for it was not intentional and they have presented to the Lord for their wrong a food offering and a sin offering. The priest is to make atonement before the Lord for the one who erred by sinning unintentionally, and when atonement has been made, that person will be forgiven. One and the same law applies to everyone who sins unintentionally, whether a native-born Israelite or a foreigner residing among you. “ ‘But anyone who sins defiantly, whether native-born or foreigner, blasphemes the Lord and must be cut off from the people of Israel. Because they have despised the Lord ’s word and broken his commands, they must surely be cut off; their guilt remains on them.’ ”
Numbers 15:25*, 28*-31 NIV
https://bible.com/bible/111/num.15.25-31.NIV
You have to remember, this body, the fleshly physical body is temporary......nothing in this walk of life can you carry with you when you pass. But we will be given a glorified body when we enter into the presence of our Lord, and that will be our permanent form, so indeed, a transgender can enter into the kingdom of God if they truly repent and turn from their sexual immorality and follow Jesus Christ
You are rejecting what God says. Even the New Testament repeats the Old on the condemnation of the effeminate and gays:
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9*-10 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1co.6.9-10.NASB
Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 6:9*-10 NASB
https://bible.com/bible/100/1co.6.9-10.NASB
I would offer it’s not about celibates. No law against that. Dressing in clothes not designed for a particular sex or altering what is given male or female would violate the law.
No one will enter as transgender or a murderer any sin that comes after the flesh , flesh and blood could never enter. (no more male and female)
All sin carries the same wage. To violate the least a person will be found guilty of the whole .If we see a brother that sins we are to lovingly rebuke them. In that way we will not share in their guilt.
But as a new creature it possible. But not in respect to the kind of sin that have, but the inheritance of Christ who pays the enternal wage .
It’s the flesh and blood that will not enter the new order.
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Then we have the other side... looking good outwardly and performing the wonderful work of is no guarantee a person will enter heaven.
Notice Christ never said he did not perform those wonderful works. But I never knew you .
That is showing us God is not served by human hands as if he who satisfies all needed something form the clay he is forming Christ in.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:22
All men die not receiving the promise of our new incorruptible bodies, which again will not be male or female, Jew nor Gentile .
Transgenders would seem to be deceived by the father of lies to give the illusion the new order is already here. No more male and female.
No one will enter as transgender or a murderer any sin that comes after the flesh , flesh and blood could never enter. (no more male and female)
All sin carries the same wage. To violate the least a person will be found guilty of the whole .If we see a brother that sins we are to lovingly rebuke them. In that way we will not share in their guilt.
But as a new creature it possible. But not in respect to the kind of sin that have, but the inheritance of Christ who pays the enternal wage .
It’s the flesh and blood that will not enter the new order.
Galatians 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Then we have the other side... looking good outwardly and performing the wonderful work of is no guarantee a person will enter heaven.
Notice Christ never said he did not perform those wonderful works. But I never knew you .
That is showing us God is not served by human hands as if he who satisfies all needed something form the clay he is forming Christ in.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:22
All men die not receiving the promise of our new incorruptible bodies, which again will not be male or female, Jew nor Gentile .
Transgenders would seem to be deceived by the father of lies to give the illusion the new order is already here. No more male and female.
Sin is sin regardless of the type. I don't understand your fixation of this particular type of sin. God wants all sinners, regardless of the type of sin to come to know, love and serve the Lord. Of course, this can only happen from contrite confession of and repentance of sin. Jesus paid for the penalty for our sins by His shed blood dying on the cross. That's written in the New Testament somewhere in case that you're interested.
God does not want trans and gays to serve Him. That is blasphemy. That is like saying a Satan worshipper can serve God and go to heaven as long as he is contrite and repentant. A repentant trans will no longer pretend to be a woman. A trans Christian or gay Christian does not exist. There are no such people in the kingdom of God.
It is only when sin is repented of and forgiven that we begin to serve Him. One that worshipped Satan but was contrite in his repentance and was forgiven of sin will go to heaven. No, in active worshipper of Satan will not go to heaven. You are correct in saying that there is no such people in the kingdom of God because once the sin is confessed with a contrite heart that person is a white as snow in the eyes of God. You still have not answered my question on why you are fixated on trans and gays and not any other type of sinner.