Not By Works
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Our salvation isn't dependent on how we act. Our salvation isn't based on us at all. Christians couldn't be lost if they tried.
that's o.k. most of the workers/sinless perfectionist/ sda/ Hebrew roots/ conspiracy theorists / don't know what they are saying either. but, instead of asking, they keep talking. and talking. and talking.
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NoNameMcgee
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hey blue
you sweet woman
he said attributed
that means that person who had the 1 sin
did not have the imputed righteousness of Jesus
they were not covered by His sacrifice
if youre born again
you will be covered
1 Peter 1:23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
Amen brother.....we obtain grace through what?....wait for it....MERCY, and that has zero to do with works, it's by the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ
Not a true believer, no way, but those that call themselves christians, and really in their hearts, they are not. they worship with their mouth, but their hearts are far from God. They never was. Jesus said that he will say, I never knew you.
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eternally-gratefull
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If we KNOW to do right, and do not do it, tp us it is sin.
whats the penalty? Death, What is the end result of death? Hell.
Better have that sin redeemed.. it you have no hope. No amput of holiness is going to cause God to take away the penalty of that sin.
Have you concidered that you are on the wrong side of the fence, and your evaluation of what you call a "new grace doctrine", is twisted and an error about what we actually Believe? Therefore it is your doctrine that leads people to believe the are on the right road, when it is the road to destruction, when they truly are not?
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eternally-gratefull
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Blasphemy of the HS is sin, that is called rejecting his gospel. Thats the only I unpardonable sin.
We sin everyday.
This is a big claim. It is a claim that there is no such thing as being pure, undefiled
at any point outside 24hrs.
But unfortunately the same people are often saying something else.
They believe we are always sinners, we are never cleansed and made Holy,
rather they believe we are innately evil.
Now Jesus came to become a man to show this theology is wrong.
Jesus was without sin. Sin is not innate within a human, but unrepentended
sin defiles the person. So a murderer is a murderer in Gods eyes until they
repent and accept Gods forgiveness through the cross.
People are so locked into un-repented sin, they do not know what it means to
be completely forgiven.
The only reason Paul could say Gods people were Holy because they have been purified
and cleansed. But for people who do not believe this or experience it, no wonder they
testify that they are caught without freedom, even to the extent of unbelief by saying
tomorrow they will sin. This is pure unbelief in Christ and His forgiveness.
This is a big claim. It is a claim that there is no such thing as being pure, undefiled
at any point outside 24hrs.
But unfortunately the same people are often saying something else.
They believe we are always sinners, we are never cleansed and made Holy,
rather they believe we are innately evil.
Now Jesus came to become a man to show this theology is wrong.
Jesus was without sin. Sin is not innate within a human, but unrepentended
sin defiles the person. So a murderer is a murderer in Gods eyes until they
repent and accept Gods forgiveness through the cross.
People are so locked into un-repented sin, they do not know what it means to
be completely forgiven.
The only reason Paul could say Gods people were Holy because they have been purified
and cleansed. But for people who do not believe this or experience it, no wonder they
testify that they are caught without freedom, even to the extent of unbelief by saying
tomorrow they will sin. This is pure unbelief in Christ and His forgiveness.
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eternally-gratefull
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Not by works of righteousness which we have done, BUT BY HIS MERCY, HE SAVED US.
it gets no clearer than that!
sin is - missing the mark, falling short of a standard, knowing to do good, and not doing so. so, can you, by these Biblical measurements, not feelings and emotions, but by these measurements, say you do not sin?
and, the 24 hour period is meaningless, one sin in one lifetime breaks the relationship with a pure and holy transcendent God. that is why we need a perfect Savior, and His pureness, we can never be pure enough.
Can you look at your calender and tell us which day you went completely without sinning? I'm sure you have it circled with a bright colored marker.
As you would have been the only human in history to have done so.
Um, we're the ones saying we are completely forgiven. We have been made holy, righteous, and perfect because the very nature of Jesus has been imputed to us.
It's what we have been saying this whole thread.
This is what the good news of the Cross does to us. Takes the focus off ourselves (and inability to keep the good works) and back to Jesus.
If you walk with Jesus, and if he is surely walking with you., it is because he have purified you, and you are no longer defiled. We are sanctified with Jesus. He have made us a part of him. We are partakers of the kingdom. You don't have to purify yourself before you can walk with Jesus, as if you can,, but if you want to walk with him, he will accept you and purify you.
Let me talk about the foolishness of some belief systems
All ones sins are forgiven, past, present, future. So you are deemed holy while actually
still being a sinner. Except if you deny Jesus, you are then not forgiven.
So to have security in extending forgiveness outside the boundary of faith, creates this
absurdity. Now the definition of spiritual blindness, is they refuse to recognise that the
system has failed. But then the system was never created to make sense, but to solve
the problem of unresolved sinful behaviour and a Holy God. Answer, God ignores ones on
going sin. Except this is just seared consciences and a dead heart.
All ones sins are forgiven, past, present, future. So you are deemed holy while actually
still being a sinner. Except if you deny Jesus, you are then not forgiven.
So to have security in extending forgiveness outside the boundary of faith, creates this
absurdity. Now the definition of spiritual blindness, is they refuse to recognise that the
system has failed. But then the system was never created to make sense, but to solve
the problem of unresolved sinful behaviour and a Holy God. Answer, God ignores ones on
going sin. Except this is just seared consciences and a dead heart.
I find that the people who defend the good works for our continual justification are either:
1) Belittling what Jesus has done on the Cross because to them it's not enough.
2) Bringing down God's standard of righteousness to human level so they can make it achievable.
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Israel could not keep up the law so they brought the standard down to their level.
The law said not to murder. But you know what, Jesus came to show us God's real standard of righteousness. I.E. to hate is to murder.
The gospel of God's grace magnifies the righteousness of God and puts it back in its place. We cannot achieve it.
The gospel of God's grace magnifies the work of Jesus Christ on the Cross. He has achieved it. So in Him, our righteousness is now found. Not of ourselves.
1) Belittling what Jesus has done on the Cross because to them it's not enough.
2) Bringing down God's standard of righteousness to human level so they can make it achievable.
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Israel could not keep up the law so they brought the standard down to their level.
The law said not to murder. But you know what, Jesus came to show us God's real standard of righteousness. I.E. to hate is to murder.
The gospel of God's grace magnifies the righteousness of God and puts it back in its place. We cannot achieve it.
The gospel of God's grace magnifies the work of Jesus Christ on the Cross. He has achieved it. So in Him, our righteousness is now found. Not of ourselves.
Ridiculous.
Once one is saved, they will remain saved - no matter how much or how little they sin. No matter if 20 years down the line, they deny Jesus.
Here's why:
Our salvation is held and maintained by Jesus Christ Himself. If we were to lose salvation for ANY reason, then Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and the Father failed.
For more info on this, check out the thread: "God Lied!"
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/137234-god-lied.html