FLAT EARTH

[Seedz]

Please explain: Assume the 2 black circles are at latitudes 45[SUP]0 [/SUP]South (A) and 45[SUP]0 [/SUP]North (B).

When a person starts at A and travels clockwise, the distance is about 17,600 miles back to A.

When a person starts at B and travels clockwise, the distance is about 17,600 miles back to B.

How is this? The only explanation I can think of that would allow for the flat earth model is some kind of 'Bermuda Triangle' kind of time/space warp thing, since these distances are recorded time and time again using instrumentation that I know was in working order, and not tampered with by NASA. Also, how is it possible to go around the equator in a straight line and go in a circle at the same time and end up at the starting point 24,900 miles later? Seems to me that going in a straight line (which is what people do) they would go off the edge.

Is there an image that I am not seeing?

 

[Seedz]

Please explain: Assume the 2 black circles are at latitudes 45[SUP]0 [/SUP]South (A) and 45[SUP]0 [/SUP]North (B).

When a person starts at A and travels clockwise, the distance is about 17,600 miles back to A.

When a person starts at B and travels clockwise, the distance is about 17,600 miles back to B.

How is this? The only explanation I can think of that would allow for the flat earth model is some kind of 'Bermuda Triangle' kind of time/space warp thing, since these distances are recorded time and time again using instrumentation that I know was in working order, and not tampered with by NASA. Also, how is it possible to go around the equator in a straight line and go in a circle at the same time and end up at the starting point 24,900 miles later? Seems to me that going in a straight line (which is what people do) they would go off the edge.

There is quite a bit that you must first understand about the flat earth model.

The North, is still North in flat earth and it is magnetic, that is why your compasses work.

Look at a flat earth map, and imagine a pin with a string tied stuck on the North Pole. Pull on that string and you will notice you can swing around in a circle. That is basically why North is always North no matter where you go. The pin with the string tied is your magnetic North Pole.

If you set flight due west/east right on the equator and you followed the compass in a latitudinal orientation you will eventually make a perfect circle.

You don't run into the edge because that magnetic north will swing you in a circle just like the pin and string analogy.

The farther south you go, the more skewed the real distances are. Conviently there is very little travel along the southernmost parts of the southern "hemisphere" and most of the time flights and sail paths cut across north when traveling from southern continents to southern continents because the distances further south are actually much greater than they have you believe.

of course you won't believe any of this because you haven't done any actual research.

 

[joefizz]

If any of you took the time to actually understand why flat earthers believe what they believe you may actually understand our position better. The easy way out is to ridicule and disregard based on what you think you know.

Based off of the questions, comments and responses most of you haven't spent the time looking into these things, but rather you instinctively seek to ridicule and write off as lunacy.


Take the blinders off, and please open your eyes to the fact that this world does not have God loving people at the wheel.

You do realize that "atheists" try this tactic of "look at it from our side of things" been there tried that it results in evil,it doesn't matter whether someone ridicules or not the bible is more than mere "facts" it's about "believing" and "trusting" what is "true" according to God.
Let's say that we take away the fact that anyone ever sailed on seas/oceans,you still would have to "believe in something" even if there wasn't a man that discovered the world was round instead of flat,you would still have to "think upon truth" each individual is entitled to their "beliefs",it just so happens that the earth being round is simply more "popular" and seen as more "sensible" because it can be "proven" in a variety of ways where as flat earth has been "disproven" in a variety of ways.
Each individual will "stand by" what they believe and not surprising some can't help but jest here and there,to be honest both ideas have been "ridiculed" over the centuries,because each are different "view points" flat earth starting out was a theory that one could look at such things as a sea/ocean and theorize that 1.there were monsters in the sea/ocean(part of theory that turned out to be true in technicality,with large creatures like squids attacking ships)
2.that the world had to be flat because the sea/ocean looked flat and the sky too looked flat(common place theory from looking with eyes and focusing particularly on what can be seen "immediately".
Round earth on the other hand was a theory upon what could not be seen or found as well as what could be seen in a more "thorough" manner instead of simply looking immediately and theorizing what was true,one person thought on particularly what was "missing", an "edge" to the earth and was laughed at because the "popular" theory considered fact at the time was that the entire earth was flat.
Both have had their share in the "public's eyes" but round earth simply was "proven true" through many studies and observations,that certainly "stands up stronger" more than a few "guesses and speculations" and "evidence that someone just finds".

 

[Seedz]

You do realize that "atheists" try this tactic of "look at it from our side of things" been there tried that it results in evil,it doesn't matter whether someone ridicules or not the bible is more than mere "facts" it's about "believing" and "trusting" what is "true" according to God.
Let's say that we take away the fact that anyone ever sailed on seas/oceans,you still would have to "believe in something" even if there wasn't a man that discovered the world was round instead of flat,you would still have to "think upon truth" each individual is entitled to their "beliefs",it just so happens that the earth being round is simply more "popular" and seen as more "sensible" because it can be "proven" in a variety of ways where as flat earth has been "disproven" in a variety of ways.
Each individual will "stand by" what they believe and not surprising some can't help but jest here and there,to be honest both ideas have been "ridiculed" over the centuries,because each are different "view points" flat earth starting out was a theory that one could look at such things as a sea/ocean and theorize that 1.there were monsters in the sea/ocean(part of theory that turned out to be true in technicality,with large creatures like squids attacking ships)
2.that the world had to be flat because the sea/ocean looked flat and the sky too looked flat(common place theory from looking with eyes and focusing particularly on what can be seen "immediately".
Round earth on the other hand was a theory upon what could not be seen or found as well as what could be seen in a more "thorough" manner instead of simply looking immediately and theorizing what was true,one person thought on particularly what was "missing", an "edge" to the earth and was laughed at because the "popular" theory considered fact at the time was that the entire earth was flat.
Both have had their share in the "public's eyes" but round earth simply was "proven true" through many studies and observations,that certainly "stands up stronger" more than a few "guesses and speculations" and "evidence that someone just finds".

First of all, atheists don't even know what they believe. Most atheists actually are agnostics once you truly listen to their arguments. Comparing my exhortation to research flat earth to what atheists say is subpar at best. The latest and greatest claim for atheism is the lack of believe in God/gods. Not that they don't believe in God/gods. I am not claiming to lack believe in anything, I am actually claiming the total opposite.

Second of all, the only globe earth proof you have comes from the same mainstream sources. Which means you're ignoring your God given senses and replacing it with faith on others that their only goal is to deceive you. Since the grace and mercy of God abounds much more, you have escaped the calamity of atheism, but many others have fallen victim to their snare.

Third of all, flat earth evidence, can be observed from a personal level, no need to put faith on another source. The reason why I urge people to look into it unbiasedly and deeply is because the truth is there for the taking. If you want it, you will see it. Truth is only hidden when you chose to close your eyes.


Btw.... have you looked into the story behind Pokémon and many of the Pokémon name meanings?

 

[breno785au]

If any of you took the time to actually understand why flat earthers believe what they believe you may actually understand our position better. The easy way out is to ridicule and disregard based on what you think you know.

Based off of the questions, comments and responses most of you haven't spent the time looking into these things, but rather you instinctively seek to ridicule and write off as lunacy.


Take the blinders off, and please open your eyes to the fact that this world does not have God loving people at the wheel.

What's there to understand?

[video=youtube_share;88So6i0-YHQ]http://youtu.be/88So6i0-YHQ[/video]


And please tell me your thoughts on latest SpaceX test launch.

 

[MichaelOwen]

Actually, that photo is fake. That aircraft carrier is not on the edge of the flat earth but is actually ready to go over Niagara Falls. It takes a trained eye to spot these attempts to deceive the true believer.

You do realize I was being sarcastic don't you?

 

[MichaelOwen]

First of all, atheists don't even know what they believe. Most atheists actually are agnostics once you truly listen to their arguments. Comparing my exhortation to research flat earth to what atheists say is subpar at best. The latest and greatest claim for atheism is the lack of believe in God/gods. Not that they don't believe in God/gods. I am not claiming to lack believe in anything, I am actually claiming the total opposite.

Second of all, the only globe earth proof you have comes from the same mainstream sources. Which means you're ignoring your God given senses and replacing it with faith on others that their only goal is to deceive you. Since the grace and mercy of God abounds much more, you have escaped the calamity of atheism, but many others have fallen victim to their snare.

Third of all, flat earth evidence, can be observed from a personal level, no need to put faith on another source. The reason why I urge people to look into it unbiasedly and deeply is because the truth is there for the taking. If you want it, you will see it. Truth is only hidden when you chose to close your eyes.


Btw.... have you looked into the story behind Pokémon and many of the Pokémon name meanings?

Just out of curiosity.....but I have God given senses and my sense indicate to me that the world is round, so what makes me the oddball?

 

[tourist]

You do realize I was being sarcastic don't you?

Just an example of my particular brand of humor. That photo was quite amusing.

 

[tourist]

There is quite a bit that you must first understand about the flat earth model.

The North, is still North in flat earth and it is magnetic, that is why your compasses work.

Look at a flat earth map, and imagine a pin with a string tied stuck on the North Pole. Pull on that string and you will notice you can swing around in a circle. That is basically why North is always North no matter where you go. The pin with the string tied is your magnetic North Pole.

If you set flight due west/east right on the equator and you followed the compass in a latitudinal orientation you will eventually make a perfect circle.

You don't run into the edge because that magnetic north will swing you in a circle just like the pin and string analogy.

The farther south you go, the more skewed the real distances are. Conviently there is very little travel along the southernmost parts of the southern "hemisphere" and most of the time flights and sail paths cut across north when traveling from southern continents to southern continents because the distances further south are actually much greater than they have you believe.

of course you won't believe any of this because you haven't done any actual research.

Traveling in a circular motion on a flat plane is not the same as traveling in a straight line around a curve and ending up at the spot that you started. This is not a matter of opinion but a basic geometric fact.

 

[MichaelOwen]

Traveling in a circular motion on a flat plane is not the same as traveling in a straight line around a curve and ending up at the spot that you started. This is not a matter of opinion but a basic geometric fact.

That is definitely a fact. According to the flat Earth model, and to Flat Earth logic, if I start at my house, and go any direction, and in a straight line I might add, then I will come to the edge, which is an ice wall, and can't go any further. But we know for a fact that if I depart my house and go in a straight line from East to West, or West to East, I will eventually arrive BACK at my house and I will NOT have passed through any edges or ice walls.....that's just common sense. Plus on that flat Earth model, if I were in California and I needed to get to China by boat, according to that model, I'd have to keep making a constant right turn to follow the pacific in order to reach China. We know this isn't the case in reality, which is why I maintain that Flat Earthism is a major deception, especially to believers.

 

[Musicus]

That is definitely a fact. According to the flat Earth model, and to Flat Earth logic, if I start at my house, and go any direction, and in a straight line I might add, then I will come to the edge, which is an ice wall, and can't go any further. But we know for a fact that if I depart my house and go in a straight line from East to West, or West to East, I will eventually arrive BACK at my house and I will NOT have passed through any edges or ice walls.....that's just common sense. Plus on that flat Earth model, if I were in California and I needed to get to China by boat, according to that model, I'd have to keep making a constant right turn to follow the pacific in order to reach China. We know this isn't the case in reality, which is why I maintain that Flat Earthism is a major deception, especially to believers.

This is exactly the point I was making; unfortunately I am having trouble getting images to work.

 

[Magenta]

This is exactly the point I was making; unfortunately I am having trouble getting images to work.

What kind of trouble? I can no longer upload directly from my computer, because I have to have a url address to insert images. Can you do it that way? Or copy an image itself from another online source, and paste it into the text box?

 

[Seedz]

Traveling in a circular motion on a flat plane is not the same as traveling in a straight line around a curve and ending up at the spot that you started. This is not a matter of opinion but a basic geometric fact.

Sigh.... you clearly can't visualize what I am saying.

 

[Seedz]

What's there to understand?

[video=youtube_share;88So6i0-YHQ]http://youtu.be/88So6i0-YHQ[/video]


And please tell me your thoughts on latest SpaceX test launch.

Dont you find it amusing that astronauts with very important offices take time out of their priceless time to make fun of flat earthers?

dont you see it is tax payers dollars that put these people "up there" and yet they still find it valuable to record their jesting?

Dont they have important science to tend to?

Space X is just another attempt to keep the masses happy.

did you watch the launch? Do you notice how the rocket starts changing its pitch? It does not stay straight up? Just like any other launch.

 

[Seedz]

This is exactly the point I was making; unfortunately I am having trouble getting images to work.

I explained this.

 

[tourist]

I believe that I can. Draw a circle representing the flat earth with a dot in the middle representing the North Pole. Secure a sting and stretch it out straight with a pencil on the end. You should be able to start at one spot, start drawing a circle and then end up in the same spot you started.

This is not the same as drawing a straight line and ending up in the same spot. On a flat earth model, you can't start off at the North Pole, travel in a straight line away from this spot, keep going straight and end up back a the North Pole unless you go underneath the flat earth. You can do this on a round earth model and it has already been done. There was no going underneath the earth but around it North to South, South to North in a straight line.

I have noticed in the artistic renderings of a flat earth that there doesn't seem to be any South Pole or the continent of Antarctica. The reason for this is that the North Pole and South Pole are diametrically opposed to each other. To draw this on a map of a flat earth you would have to have the Poles on opposite ends of the map. In such a case the North Pole would not be in the middle of the map but on an edge with the South Pole on an opposite edge.

 

[tourist]

Dont you find it amusing that astronauts with very important offices take time out of their priceless time to make fun of flat earthers?

dont you see it is tax payers dollars that put these people "up there" and yet they still find it valuable to record their jesting?

Dont they have important science to tend to?

Space X is just another attempt to keep the masses happy.

did you watch the launch? Do you notice how the rocket starts changing its pitch? It does not stay straight up? Just like any other launch.

The pitch changes because the rocket is adjusting to the curvature of the earth. The object is to establish an orbit around the earth and not to simply just keep going up straight until it leaves the earth's atmosphere to travel beyond it leaving the earth behind. It is more fuel efficient also for a rocket to have a gradual trajectory upward rather than to keep going straight up.

 

[Musicus]

OK, think I fixed it, here's a repost. I loaded the image to Google Photos and used the url from there, Angela. Can't copy /paste images here, just text.

Please explain: Assume the 2 black circles are at latitudes 45[SUP]0 [/SUP]South (A) and 45[SUP]0 [/SUP]North (B).

When a person starts at A and travels clockwise, the distance is about 17,600 miles back to A.

When a person starts at B and travels clockwise, the distance is about 17,600 miles back to B.

How is this? The only explanation I can think of that would allow for the flat earth model is some kind of 'Bermuda Triangle' kind of time/space warp thing, since these distances are recorded time and time again using instrumentation that I know was in working order, and not tampered with by NASA. Also, how is it possible to go around the equator in a straight line and go in a circle at the same time and end up at the starting point 24,900 miles later? Seems to me that going in a straight line (which is what people do) they would go off the edge.

Now, Seedz said a vessel's course has to continually be corrected so that it continues to travel east and would go in the circle. This implies that 'East', (or West) is a circle, and not a straight line. What I mean is that if you just GO IN A STRAIGHT LINE you would fall off the edge on a flat Earth. This requires no research. A ruler and a pencil will prove this. In reality, like Michael Owen said, if you start on the equator and go in any direction, with no compass and no turning, just straight, you will end up back where you started from.

Now, the equator is the only latitude that a straight line gets you back to P.O. (Point of Origin), All latitudes to the south of the equator DO require a degree of correction to maintain an east/west compass heading, with the amount of correction increasing the further south you go. The correction is in a southerly direction. The same holds true for northern latitudes, the correction being in a northerly direction, increasing as you near the north pole. These corrections are very small, but they would be the same at all latitudes on a flat Earth, and they are not. Having been in the US Navy, in a position to know these things and that they cannot be faked, unless you want to say the electrons are in on it, this is the way it is.

So, how 'bout the mileage problem at the 45[SUP]0[/SUP] lats. No research there is needed either, because I have flown it and sailed it, and have friends who have flown it, and sailed it, and our eyes saw what they saw. We used many navigational charts, and they are correct. It would not work if the Earth were flat; the charts would not work at all. I trust my eyes, my senses.

 

[Seedz]

The pitch changes because the rocket is adjusting to the curvature of the earth. The object is to establish an orbit around the earth and not to simply just keep going up straight until it leaves the earth's atmosphere to travel beyond it leaving the earth behind. It is more fuel efficient also for a rocket to have a gradual trajectory upward rather than to keep going straight up.

How convinient

 

[tourist]

How convinient

Actually, that's the way it works. Like I said, the goal is to achieve orbit and not to simply leave the earth.

The rear tires of a car, with the differential part of the power train, enable the tires to turn at different speeds when turning, otherwise the car would skid. This is convenient also.

So it is with anything that does anything. Not always necessarily convenient but necessary to achieve the desired results. This crazy guy that's going to fly in a homemade rocket is not going straight up either. Not sure what that's going to prove. As it stated in an earlier post, a simple to make model rocket can fly much higher. I believe that these fly straight up and not gradual. Not convenient but necessary to achieve the desired goal - going as high as possible.