Not By Works

[heartofdavid]

if someone is a new creature

and then sin

and then die in the middle of this sin

_________


to think because you died but didnt do the work of "repenting" you lost salvation

you are putting salvation on your shoulders if you think AFTER being born again and coming to Jesus

it is up to YOUR actions to be justified

Ok,that does not fit you or me.

Wow it is tedious discussing this .I have to walk on eggshells.

I actually have a broader view of "saved by grace " than you do .
Insert 500 smileys
Not accusing you,just telling you that "saved by grace" is is beyond a free gift,it is a blood covenent. Not fragile, not a 2x4 over hell with Jesus waiting for me slip up.

The bible says "some are saved as by fire,they are saved,but their works are burned up."

You are framing doing works with salvation. Read titus and james.
In fact word search "works" in bible gateway.

That NT was written to believers.
Believers do works. They are not saved by them because they do them. They are saved believers doing works.

 

[heartofdavid]

Oh so you make accusations, but cant backthem up? Yeah carry on

By now it would have taken less energy to answer plainly.
I asked you plainly,but you didn't have any answer so you drew back with that "no,you tell me....blah,blah ,blah "mess.

We all see you have no example of anyone preaching works saves us.
I already knew that,
That is why I blew you off.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

By now it would have taken less energy to answer plainly.
I asked you plainly,but you didn't have any answer so you drew back with that "no,you tell me....blah,blah ,blah "mess.

We all see you have no example of anyone preaching works saves us.
I already knew that,
That is why I blew you off.

yeah whatever dude,You made the accusation people were excusing sin, back your accusations.

Don;t try blame shifting like you all do

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok,that does not fit you or me.

Wow it is tedious discussing this .I have to walk on eggshells.

I actually have a broader view of "saved by grace " than you do .
Insert 500 smileys
Not accusing you,just telling you that "saved by grace" is is beyond a free gift,it is a blood covenent. Not fragile, not a 2x4 over hell with Jesus waiting for me slip up.

The bible says "some are saved as by fire,they are saved,but their works are burned up."

You are framing doing works with salvation. Read titus and james.
In fact word search "works" in bible gateway.

That NT was written to believers.
Believers do works. They are not saved by them because they do them. They are saved believers doing works.

thats 2 time now in the last few pages you accused someone of somehting that is wrong wow man.. Your off to a bad start.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Ok,that does not fit you or me.

Wow it is tedious discussing this .I have to walk on eggshells.

I actually have a broader view of "saved by grace " than you do .
Insert 500 smileys
Not accusing you,just telling you that "saved by grace" is is beyond a free gift,it is a blood covenent. Not fragile, not a 2x4 over hell with Jesus waiting for me slip up.

The bible says "some are saved as by fire,they are saved,but their works are burned up."

You are framing doing works with salvation. Read titus and james.
In fact word search "works" in bible gateway.

That NT was written to believers.
Believers do works. They are not saved by them because they do them. They are saved believers doing works.

i never said it did fit us

i never said anyone was walking on a 2x4
(though the 'workers THINK they are and attack the assurance to brothers and sisters)

i dont need you to tell me to read books ive read over and over and plan to read again and again


youre attitude is shining through again man...

please dont be like that

you asked for an example for workers salvationists

i gave you one

i wasnt saying thats your view or mine


ive also spoke about james and titus here

so you are sounding condescending to me...

i dont know if youre being passive aggressive
or if thats on accident

but its not a good look

 

[NoNameMcgee]

i need to shut off my notifications

lol

anyways

hope the false accusations and silly passive aggression stops

 

[stonesoffire]

We have 3 enemies.
The world,flesh,and the devil.
These involve or lead into sin.

Struggle is too broad.
Sin is the gamechanger

I know im behind in posts but I wanted to hopefully change something here. Tell me how does one struggle when dead?

 

[TruthTalk]

Warning! accuser of the brethren approaching!​

Some say the accuser of the brethren has many minions,

 

[heartofdavid]

yeah whatever dude,You made the accusation people were excusing sin, back your accusations.

Don;t try blame shifting like you all do

Cue Humprey Boggart voice;
"well uh,ya got there friend,can you spare a dime?"

 

[heartofdavid]

i need to shut off my notifications

lol

anyways

hope the false accusations and silly passive aggression stops

Amen,
Faith ,Hope,and love.....there abideth these three.

 

[heartofdavid]

i never said it did fit us

i never said anyone was walking on a 2x4
(though the 'workers THINK they are and attack the assurance to brothers and sisters)

i dont need you to tell me to read books ive read over and over and plan to read again and again


youre attitude is shining through again man...

please dont be like that

you asked for an example for workers salvationists

i gave you one

i wasnt saying thats your view or mine


ive also spoke about james and titus here

so you are sounding condescending to me...

i dont know if youre being passive aggressive
or if thats on accident

but its not a good look

Well,you can't go wrong there..........
Sounds like a plan to me.

insert 100 smileys

 

[stonesoffire]

I hope you don't mean me TT.

Sin isn't in our life is it? We died with Jesus at His Cross. Now we are resurrected in life. Our life is all about being in Jesus. If something of the past darkness rises and we slip into shadows, we get out. It's just old thinking, so we apply the blood of Jesus. No matter what is done! It's not the real us.

Isnt this true?

Dont let anyone or anything shame you because we aren't what we were and we are learning this every day.

 

[stonesoffire]

Eventually the old man or old thinking loses its grip.

 

[heartofdavid]

thats 2 time now in the last few pages you accused someone of somehting that is wrong wow man.. Your off to a bad start.

Just pretend I have a mink glove stroking your neck.

It'll be ok,it'll be ok,it'll be ok.

It'll all work out,it'll all work out,it'll all work out.

 

[stonesoffire]

That's the game changer heartofdavid, not sin. Life. Ressurrection life.

 

[heartofdavid]

backs up real slow....reaches behind and opens door real slow,steps out of room,closes door real slow.

Then hears them clawing and screaming through the door.

Only then sees the header on the room says "insane asylym"

Dear God help them.

 

[heartofdavid]

That's the game changer heartofdavid, not sin. Life. Ressurrection life.

Amen.
A thousand amens

 

[stonesoffire]

Rom 8:33 Who will accuse God's elect? It is God who justifies!


Rom 8:34 Who is the one to condemn? It is the Messiah Jesus who is interceding on our behalf. He died, and more importantly, has been raised and is seated at the right hand of God.


Rom 8:35 Who will separate us from the Messiah's love? Can trouble, distress, persecution, hunger, nakedness, danger, or a violent death do this?


Rom 8:36 As it is written, "For your sake we are being put to death all day long. We are thought of as sheep headed for slaughter."


Rom 8:37 In all these things we are triumphantly victorious due to the one who loved us.

I like the KJV...who shall lay any charge to Gods elect? He justifies!

 

[stonesoffire]

backs up real slow....reaches behind and opens door real slow,steps out of room,closes door real slow.

Then hears them clawing and screaming through the door.

Only then sees the header on the room says "insane asylym"

Dear God help them.

I dont understand why you would think this way.

And I don't think you are getting the point. They all know they are in Christ Jesus. Every single one of these who are against works for proof of salvation. There is no charge laid to those who are in Christ Jesus.

We can be babes but know who we belong to, young men, fighting warfare against the world, flesh, devil, yet stumbling all over the place. No charge is laid. Confidence is in Him, even chastening, confidence is in the power of the blood to save.

Not how well we perform, or do works of power even. Do we know who has us in the palm of His hand?

Do we trust our Saviour who began His work in us, and will continue till the end?

I have been with these people for months. Have learned much from this thread.

The main thing? Secure in Him. And love for the brethren. That is no gossip against anyone. Complete acceptance. And no guilt poured on anyone.

Much support for newbies in the faith.

Repent of these words and learn from here.

 

[TruthTalk]

I hope you don't mean me TT.

Sin isn't in our life is it? We died with Jesus at His Cross. Now we are resurrected in life. Our life is all about being in Jesus. If something of the past darkness rises and we slip into shadows, we get out. It's just old thinking, so we apply the blood of Jesus. No matter what is done! It's not the real us.

Isnt this true?

Dont let anyone or anything shame you because we aren't what we were and we are learning this every day.

Now your just being silly sis,.....never be the day that that would happen.