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O my goodness....I have told you several times I am not member of a Reformed Church.
I really think you enjoy being the center of attention though...do you thrive on it?
Sorry it is late here and work never ends....another time...but living in sin is not a part of scripture I obsess over...
I really think you enjoy being the center of attention though...do you thrive on it?
Sorry it is late here and work never ends....another time...but living in sin is not a part of scripture I obsess over...
J
Well the topic is "Not by works" as in we are saved through faith not of works lest any man should brag,I stand by this though also believe that we will work for God/Jesus once saved though from personal experience I know we all "do wrong" in some form such as idleness,cursing in anger or so on,but work is inevitable once a person is God/Jesus's,a good example of this is the book of Jonah.
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Originally Posted by Ralph-
If you believe, he will complete it.
It does not say that, It says he who began a good work (the work was already started) will complete that work.
see. You contradict yourself. You just told NNM that you have been saying that we examine ourselves to make sure we are walking BECAUSE we are saved, not in order to keep it. Yet here you say that is not true. Then say we are not listening to you.
We hear you loud and clear.
Thats why I stopped listening to you and responding to you along time ago.
Re: Not By Works
Originally Posted by Ralph-
If you believe, he will complete it.
Bible doesn't say that at all. God is not dependent on someone's faith to complete a good work, what He start's He will certainly finish regardless of the faith of the person that He's working through.
Originally Posted by tourist
Bible doesn't say that at all. God is not dependent on someone's faith to complete a good work, what He start's He will certainly finish regardless of the faith of the person that He's working through.
That's called Freegrace, or Hypergrace, doctrine. The forbidden doctrine in this forum. It's the new once saved always saved doctrine that has seduced the church in this end time before Jesus comes back. We will not recover from this. Only the true believers scattered about within this polluted earthly church will be saved when Jesus comes back.
“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 13:41-42
True stalks of wheat planted by God have the fruited head of grain in them. The tares only look like stalks of wheat. They have no fruited head of grain to signify them as being genuine stalks of wheat. The tares will be gathered up and burned, not saved.
Don't be deceived people. Tares with no fruit of grain are going to be burned not saved when Jesus comes back. Don't be deceived by someone who tells you fruitless tares will be saved too. Those who tell you tares will be saved despite having no head of grain because salvation is not by works, and because once you are saved you are always saved, will themselves be destroyed for tearing down, not building up, the building and field of God-1 Corinthians 3:17.
Re: Not By Works
Originally Posted by Ralph-
That's called Freegrace, or Hypergrace, doctrine. The forbidden doctrine in this forum. It's the new once saved always saved doctrine that has seduced the church in this end time before Jesus comes back. We will not recover from this. Only the true believers scattered about within this polluted earthly church will be saved when Jesus comes back.
“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 13:41-42
True stalks of wheat planted by God have the fruited head of grain in them. The tares only look like stalks of wheat. They have no fruited head of grain to signify them as being genuine stalks of wheat. The tares will be gathered up and burned, not saved.
Don't be deceived people. Tares with no fruit of grain are going to be burned not saved when Jesus comes back. Don't be deceived by someone who tells you fruitless tares will be saved too. Those who tell you tares will be saved despite having no head of grain because salvation is not by works, and because once you are saved you are always saved, will themselves be destroyed for tearing down, not building up, the building and field of God-1 Corinthians 3:17.
Its called scripture..
2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
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If you believe, he will complete it.
It does not say that, It says he who began a good work (the work was already started) will complete that work.
see. You contradict yourself. You just told NNM that you have been saying that we examine ourselves to make sure we are walking BECAUSE we are saved, not in order to keep it. Yet here you say that is not true. Then say we are not listening to you.
We hear you loud and clear.
Thats why I stopped listening to you and responding to you along time ago.
If you believe, he will complete it.
Bible doesn't say that at all. God is not dependent on someone's faith to complete a good work, what He start's He will certainly finish regardless of the faith of the person that He's working through.
Tourist- in case you forgot
Bible doesn't say that at all. God is not dependent on someone's faith to complete a good work, what He start's He will certainly finish regardless of the faith of the person that He's working through.
That's called Freegrace, or Hypergrace, doctrine. The forbidden doctrine in this forum. It's the new once saved always saved doctrine that has seduced the church in this end time before Jesus comes back. We will not recover from this. Only the true believers scattered about within this polluted earthly church will be saved when Jesus comes back.
“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 13:41-42
True stalks of wheat planted by God have the fruited head of grain in them. The tares only look like stalks of wheat. They have no fruited head of grain to signify them as being genuine stalks of wheat. The tares will be gathered up and burned, not saved.
Don't be deceived people. Tares with no fruit of grain are going to be burned not saved when Jesus comes back. Don't be deceived by someone who tells you fruitless tares will be saved too. Those who tell you tares will be saved despite having no head of grain because salvation is not by works, and because once you are saved you are always saved, will themselves be destroyed for tearing down, not building up, the building and field of God-1 Corinthians 3:17.
That's called Freegrace, or Hypergrace, doctrine. The forbidden doctrine in this forum. It's the new once saved always saved doctrine that has seduced the church in this end time before Jesus comes back. We will not recover from this. Only the true believers scattered about within this polluted earthly church will be saved when Jesus comes back.
“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 13:41-42
True stalks of wheat planted by God have the fruited head of grain in them. The tares only look like stalks of wheat. They have no fruited head of grain to signify them as being genuine stalks of wheat. The tares will be gathered up and burned, not saved.
Don't be deceived people. Tares with no fruit of grain are going to be burned not saved when Jesus comes back. Don't be deceived by someone who tells you fruitless tares will be saved too. Those who tell you tares will be saved despite having no head of grain because salvation is not by works, and because once you are saved you are always saved, will themselves be destroyed for tearing down, not building up, the building and field of God-1 Corinthians 3:17.
Its called scripture..
2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Stones addressing only what EG- tourist- were talking about, and you called free grace or hypergrace, with me stating its scripture. Then you added whatever all that is that spins around in your head.
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Seoche:
Romans 10:8-18 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? AND HOW CAN THEY HEAR WITHOUT SOMEONE PREACHING TO THEM? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and THE MESSAGE IS HEARD THROUGH THE WORD OF CHRIST. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.”
stones:
I'm with you here. If you truly believe the Word in our mouth and heart is what we proclaim, then you are WOF. Now, how do you know what the Lord wants you to proclaim in a personal way? To yourself and to others?
Seoche:
Luke 10:16 “He who listens to you LISTENS TO ME; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
stones:
exactly. We must be born of His Spirit which if not, we are none of His. Then we live a life of love, not emotional feeling, though that can occur, but of agape. His live, mercy, and compassion flowing from living water. Forgiving just as we are forgiven.
The must being our new birth.
Seoche:
Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
stones:
the point is the Word dividing soul and Spirit. Can you explain?
Seoche:
Ephesians 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ WHEN YOU HEARD THE WORD OF TRUTH, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
stones:
The seal is sealed. Get it? Eternally. This is the Kings choosing and marking our Spiritual being with His royal stamp of approval. I agree we receive a measure to begin, but as we grow up into the image of divine being, Light, glory increases. Works because of union will bring glory to His name!
Seoche:
John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; HE WILL SPEAK only what he hears, and HE WILL TELL YOU what is yet to come.
stone:
How does He tell us?
Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
stones:
rightly divide Seoche. For one thing, we His body, are not those who just repent and turn from sin to law. We are those who are birthed in Spirit. A new creation of people never seen on earth before. So these following scriptures are speaking of those who were not taught Torah, but in their own conscience know there is a God. Know that sin is wrong. And turn to laws or being good. The tree of knowledge of good or evil working. They will be judged by this at the GWT. Now read..
12 All who have sinned outside the framework of Torah will die outside the framework of Torah; and all who have sinned within the framework of Torah will be judged by Torah.
13 For it is not merely the hearers of Torah whom God considers righteous; rather, it is the doers of what Torah says who will be made righteous in God’s sight.
14 For whenever Gentiles, who have no Torah, do naturally what the Torah requires, then these, even though they don’t have Torah, for themselves are Torah!
15 For their lives show that the conduct the Torah dictates is written in their hearts.c Their consciences also bear witness to this, for their conflicting thoughts sometimes accuse them and sometimes defend them 16 on a day when God passes judgment on people’s inmost secrets. (According
Seoche:
John 12:47-48 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
stones:
dont reject Him. Only His works save us. Any works we do reflects Him.
Seoche:
John 14:15-24 Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit “If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me
stones:
Make sure Holy Spirit is our source. He is our empowering grace.
Seoche:
1 Thessalonians 2:13 And we also thank God continually because, WHEN YOU RECEIVED THE WORD OF GOD, which you HEARD FROM US, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is AT WORK IN YOU WHO BELIEVE.
stones:
amen
Seoche:
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
Stones:
exactly.
There are some that can receive for their cistern will hold. No leaks. Then others cisterns hold nothing, and there is never a repair.
we don't always know who is who at first.
Romans 10:8-18 But what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame.” For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.” How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? AND HOW CAN THEY HEAR WITHOUT SOMEONE PREACHING TO THEM? And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our message?” Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and THE MESSAGE IS HEARD THROUGH THE WORD OF CHRIST. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: “Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.”
stones:
I'm with you here. If you truly believe the Word in our mouth and heart is what we proclaim, then you are WOF.
Now, how do you know what the Lord wants you to proclaim in a personal way? To yourself and to others? Seoche:
Luke 10:16 “He who listens to you LISTENS TO ME; he who rejects you rejects me; but he who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”
stones:
exactly. We must be born of His Spirit which if not, we are none of His. Then we live a life of love, not emotional feeling, though that can occur, but of agape. His live, mercy, and compassion flowing from living water. Forgiving just as we are forgiven.
The must being our new birth.
Seoche:
Hebrews 4:12-13 For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
stones:
the point is the Word dividing soul and Spirit. Can you explain?
Seoche:
Ephesians 1:13-14 And you also were included in Christ WHEN YOU HEARD THE WORD OF TRUTH, THE GOSPEL OF YOUR SALVATION. Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
stones:
The seal is sealed. Get it?
Eternally. This is the Kings choosing and marking our Spiritual being with His royal stamp of approval. I agree we receive a measure to begin, but as we grow up into the image of divine being, Light, glory increases. Works because of union will bring glory to His name! Seoche:
John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; HE WILL SPEAK only what he hears, and HE WILL TELL YOU what is yet to come.
stone:
How does He tell us?
Romans 2:13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous.
stones:
rightly divide Seoche. For one thing, we His body, are not those who just repent and turn from sin to law. We are those who are birthed in Spirit. A new creation of people never seen on earth before. So these following scriptures are speaking of those who were not taught Torah, but in their own conscience know there is a God. Know that sin is wrong. And turn to laws or being good. The tree of knowledge of good or evil working. They will be judged by this at the GWT. Now read..
12 All who have sinned outside the framework of Torah will die outside the framework of Torah; and all who have sinned within the framework of Torah will be judged by Torah.
13 For it is not merely the hearers of Torah whom God considers righteous; rather, it is the doers of what Torah says who will be made righteous in God’s sight.
14 For whenever Gentiles, who have no Torah, do naturally what the Torah requires, then these, even though they don’t have Torah, for themselves are Torah!
15 For their lives show that the conduct the Torah dictates is written in their hearts.c Their consciences also bear witness to this, for their conflicting thoughts sometimes accuse them and sometimes defend them 16 on a day when God passes judgment on people’s inmost secrets. (According
Seoche:
John 12:47-48 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day.
stones:
dont reject Him. Only His works save us. Any works we do reflects Him.
Seoche:
John 14:15-24 Jesus Promises the Holy Spirit “If you love me, you will obey what I command. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever— the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you. I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. Before long, the world will not see me anymore, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Then Judas (not Judas Iscariot) said, “But, Lord, why do you intend to show yourself to us and not to the world?” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me
stones:
Make sure Holy Spirit is our source. He is our empowering grace.
Seoche:
1 Thessalonians 2:13 And we also thank God continually because, WHEN YOU RECEIVED THE WORD OF GOD, which you HEARD FROM US, you accepted it not as the word of men, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is AT WORK IN YOU WHO BELIEVE.
stones:
amen
Seoche:
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
Stones:
exactly.
There are some that can receive for their cistern will hold. No leaks. Then others cisterns hold nothing, and there is never a repair.
we don't always know who is who at first.
the point is the Word dividing soul and Spirit. Can you explain?
Seohce
As far as I know, our Lord Jesus is the WORD OF GOD. (john 1:1-3 &14, revelation 19:13) and He will judge the living and the dead (2 timothy 4:1, john 12:47, 1peter 3:19) and as it is written; “the body without the spirit is dead”( james 2:14-26) and …the WORD is both SPIRIT and LIFE.( john 6:63). THE WORD PENETRATES UNTO DEATH TO GIVE LIFE. HIS POWER EXTENDS UNTO ALL CREATION. HE IS GOD.
stones:
rightly divide Seoche. For one thing, we His body, are not those who just repent and turn from sin to law. We are those who are birthed in Spirit. A new creation of people never seen on earth before. So these following scriptures are speaking of those who were not taught Torah, but in their own conscience know there is a God. Know that sin is wrong. And turn to laws or being good. The tree of knowledge of good or evil working. They will be judged by this at the GWT. Now read..
12 All who have sinned outside the framework of Torah will die outside the framework of Torah; and all who have sinned within the framework of Torah will be judged by Torah.
13 For it is not merely the hearers of Torah whom God considers righteous; rather, it is the doers of what Torah says who will be made righteous in God’s sight.
14 For whenever Gentiles, who have no Torah, do naturally what the Torah requires, then these, even though they don’t have Torah, for themselves are Torah!
15 For their lives show that the conduct the Torah dictates is written in their hearts.c Their consciences also bear witness to this, for their conflicting thoughts sometimes accuse them and sometimes defend them 16 on a day when God passes judgment on people’s inmost secrets. (According
Seohce:
It is nice and important to know who the Jews are compared to the Gentiles and who is the NEW CREATION in order to be aware of the devils ploy to divide the Church.
stones:
dont reject Him. Only His works save us. Any works we do reflects Him.
Seohce:
Titus 1:16 They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
It is true that JUSTIFICATION is by GRACE through FAITH and I believe that because I have FAITH ÌN GOD and in His only son, Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
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By God’s GRACE & MERCY we were saved through FAITH (eph 2:8-9, titus 3:5) but FAITH without works is DEAD and a DEAD FAITH cannot save. (james 2:14-26)
Anyone who has LIFE stays in the LIGHT.
JESUS is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE (john 14:6) and He is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD.
John 8:12 When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. WHOEVER “FOLLOWS’ ME WILL NEVER WALK IN DARKNESS, but will have the light of life.”(Ref: 1john 1:5-10)
Matthew 16:24 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, he must DENY HIMSELF and TAKE UP HIS CROSS FOLLOW ME.(arent these works?)
NOT ALL WORKS ARE DONE TO EARN OR GAIN SOMETHING BECAUSE THERE ARE VOLUNTARY WORKS AS THERE ARE VOLUNTEER WORKERS AND WE ARE FELLOW WORKERS OF GOD. ( 1 corinthians 3:9)
WHY WOULD GOD PREPARE THE BODY OF CHRIST FOR WORKS OF SERVICE IF IT IS UNNECESSARY FOR SALVATION? (ephesians 4:11-12, 2:10)
JESUS SAID THAT IF WE WANT TO ENTER LIFE WE SHOULD OBEY THE COMMANDMENTS. (matthew 19:16-30)
IF THOSE WHO PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S LAWS & COMMANDMENTS ARE BEING CALLED AS WORKS SALVATIONISTS THEN JESUS WOULD BE THEIR LEADER.
IF OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S LAWS & COMMANDMENTS ARE WORKS THAT HAVE NO BEARING (UNNECESSARY) TO OUR SALVATION, THEN THE FF: VERSES SHOULD BE ABLE TO ENLIGHTEN US ABOUT THE TRUTH.
1 Corinthians 13:2,13 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and IF I HAVE A FAITH that can move mountains, BUT HAVE NOT LOVE, I AM NOTHING. And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But THE GREATEST OF THESE IS LOVE.
2 John 1:6 And this is love: that WE WALK IN OBEDIENCE TO HIS COMMANDS. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you WALK IN LOVE.
1 John 5:3 THIS IS LOVE FOR GOD: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome,
1 John 3:23-24 AND THIS IS HIS COMMAND: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. THOSE WHO OBEY HIS COMMANDS live in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
John 14:15,21,23-24,31 IF YOU LOVE ME, YOU WILL OBEY WHAT I COMMAND. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me. “Come now; let us leave.
1 John 4:8-21 WHOEVER DOES NOT LOVE DOES NOT KNOW GOD, because God is love. And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. GOD IS LOVE. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.
Romans 13:10 Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE LAW.
1 John 3:18 Dear children, let us not love with words or tongue but WITH ACTIONS AND IN TRUTH.
IT IS ONE THING TO SAY AND CLAIM AND ANOTHER THING TO DO AND WALK THE TALK.
1 John 3:16-17 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers. If anyone has material possessions and sees his brother in need but has no pity on him, HOW CAN THE LOVE OF GOD BE IN HIM?
Romans 10:10 FOR IT IS WITH YOUR HEART THAT YOU BELIEVE and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
Romans 12:9-21 LOVE MUST BE SINCERE. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good. Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD (james 2:14-26)
WORK THAT IS NOT BY FAITH IS SIN (romans 14:23)
WHAT IS IMPORTANT IS FAITH THAT WORKS IN LOVE (galatians 5:6)
James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were WORKING TOGETHER, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
Matthew 28:19-20 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and TEACHING THEM TO OBEY EVERYTHING I HAVE COMMANDED YOU. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Hebrews 5:7-9 During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, HE LEARNED OBEDIENCE from what he suffered and, once made perfect, he became THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL SALVATION FOR ALL WHO OBEY HIM
Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: FEAR GOD AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil.
DO WE JUST REJECT THESE TRUTHS AND FOLLOW MAN-MADE RULES AND DOCTRINES
Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: “‘These people HONOR ME WITH THEIR LIPS, but THEIR HEARTS ARE FAR FROM ME. They worship me in vain; THEIR TEACHINGS ARE BUT RULES TAUGHT BY MEN.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then YOU NO LONGER LET HIM DO ANYTHING for his father or mother. Thus YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. AND YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT.”
John 7:18 HE WHO SPEAKS ON HIS OWN DOES SO TO GAIN HONOR FOR HIMSELF, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him.
Romans 3:3-4 What if some did not have faith? Will their lack of faith nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: “So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge.”
R
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Originally Posted by Ralph-
If you believe, he will complete it.
It does not say that, It says he who began a good work (the work was already started) will complete that work.
see. You contradict yourself. You just told NNM that you have been saying that we examine ourselves to make sure we are walking BECAUSE we are saved, not in order to keep it. Yet here you say that is not true. Then say we are not listening to you.
We hear you loud and clear.
Thats why I stopped listening to you and responding to you along time ago.
Re: Not By Works
Originally Posted by Ralph-
If you believe, he will complete it.
Bible doesn't say that at all. God is not dependent on someone's faith to complete a good work, what He start's He will certainly finish regardless of the faith of the person that He's working through.
Originally Posted by tourist
Bible doesn't say that at all. God is not dependent on someone's faith to complete a good work, what He start's He will certainly finish regardless of the faith of the person that He's working through.
That's called Freegrace, or Hypergrace, doctrine. The forbidden doctrine in this forum. It's the new once saved always saved doctrine that has seduced the church in this end time before Jesus comes back. We will not recover from this. Only the true believers scattered about within this polluted earthly church will be saved when Jesus comes back.
“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 13:41-42
True stalks of wheat planted by God have the fruited head of grain in them. The tares only look like stalks of wheat. They have no fruited head of grain to signify them as being genuine stalks of wheat. The tares will be gathered up and burned, not saved.
Don't be deceived people. Tares with no fruit of grain are going to be burned not saved when Jesus comes back. Don't be deceived by someone who tells you fruitless tares will be saved too. Those who tell you tares will be saved despite having no head of grain because salvation is not by works, and because once you are saved you are always saved, will themselves be destroyed for tearing down, not building up, the building and field of God-1 Corinthians 3:17.
Re: Not By Works
Originally Posted by Ralph-
That's called Freegrace, or Hypergrace, doctrine. The forbidden doctrine in this forum. It's the new once saved always saved doctrine that has seduced the church in this end time before Jesus comes back. We will not recover from this. Only the true believers scattered about within this polluted earthly church will be saved when Jesus comes back.
“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 13:41-42
True stalks of wheat planted by God have the fruited head of grain in them. The tares only look like stalks of wheat. They have no fruited head of grain to signify them as being genuine stalks of wheat. The tares will be gathered up and burned, not saved.
Don't be deceived people. Tares with no fruit of grain are going to be burned not saved when Jesus comes back. Don't be deceived by someone who tells you fruitless tares will be saved too. Those who tell you tares will be saved despite having no head of grain because salvation is not by works, and because once you are saved you are always saved, will themselves be destroyed for tearing down, not building up, the building and field of God-1 Corinthians 3:17.
Its called scripture..
2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
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If you believe, he will complete it.
It does not say that, It says he who began a good work (the work was already started) will complete that work.
see. You contradict yourself. You just told NNM that you have been saying that we examine ourselves to make sure we are walking BECAUSE we are saved, not in order to keep it. Yet here you say that is not true. Then say we are not listening to you.
We hear you loud and clear.
Thats why I stopped listening to you and responding to you along time ago.
If you believe, he will complete it.
Bible doesn't say that at all. God is not dependent on someone's faith to complete a good work, what He start's He will certainly finish regardless of the faith of the person that He's working through.
Tourist- in case you forgot
Bible doesn't say that at all. God is not dependent on someone's faith to complete a good work, what He start's He will certainly finish regardless of the faith of the person that He's working through.
That's called Freegrace, or Hypergrace, doctrine. The forbidden doctrine in this forum. It's the new once saved always saved doctrine that has seduced the church in this end time before Jesus comes back. We will not recover from this. Only the true believers scattered about within this polluted earthly church will be saved when Jesus comes back.
“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 13:41-42
True stalks of wheat planted by God have the fruited head of grain in them. The tares only look like stalks of wheat. They have no fruited head of grain to signify them as being genuine stalks of wheat. The tares will be gathered up and burned, not saved.
Don't be deceived people. Tares with no fruit of grain are going to be burned not saved when Jesus comes back. Don't be deceived by someone who tells you fruitless tares will be saved too. Those who tell you tares will be saved despite having no head of grain because salvation is not by works, and because once you are saved you are always saved, will themselves be destroyed for tearing down, not building up, the building and field of God-1 Corinthians 3:17.
That's called Freegrace, or Hypergrace, doctrine. The forbidden doctrine in this forum. It's the new once saved always saved doctrine that has seduced the church in this end time before Jesus comes back. We will not recover from this. Only the true believers scattered about within this polluted earthly church will be saved when Jesus comes back.
“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth."-Matthew 13:41-42
True stalks of wheat planted by God have the fruited head of grain in them. The tares only look like stalks of wheat. They have no fruited head of grain to signify them as being genuine stalks of wheat. The tares will be gathered up and burned, not saved.
Don't be deceived people. Tares with no fruit of grain are going to be burned not saved when Jesus comes back. Don't be deceived by someone who tells you fruitless tares will be saved too. Those who tell you tares will be saved despite having no head of grain because salvation is not by works, and because once you are saved you are always saved, will themselves be destroyed for tearing down, not building up, the building and field of God-1 Corinthians 3:17.
Its called scripture..
2 Timothy 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
Stones addressing only what EG- tourist- were talking about, and you called free grace or hypergrace, with me stating its scripture. Then you added whatever all that is that spins around in your head.
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You were addressing tourist by quoting me. And I'm supposed to 'get' that?
R
Remember, you bailed by putting me on ignore. You certainly weren't as forceful as you think.
Why do you people stop talking about the topic and resort to attacks?
No, I meant it. p4t is like a rabid dog. I was not correcting him. Even Lotucus (and BillG) recognized his abusive, abrasive manner. They are witness to that. No attacks here, bud.
Now what you going to say? More fault finding? How does doing that support your argument? It doesn't of course.
Why do you people stop talking about the topic and resort to attacks?
No, I meant it. p4t is like a rabid dog. I was not correcting him. Even Lotucus (and BillG) recognized his abusive, abrasive manner. They are witness to that. No attacks here, bud.
Now what you going to say? More fault finding? How does doing that support your argument? It doesn't of course.
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