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NoNameMcgee
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youre so confused
you have been pushing someone can obtain and lose salvation over and over again based on their works
stop twisting the truth
a simple break down of your posts shows this
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eternally-gratefull
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It does not say that, It says he who began a good work (the work was already started) will complete that work.
see. You contradict yourself. You just told NNM that you have been saying that we examine ourselves to make sure we are walking BECAUSE we are saved, not in order to keep it. Yet here you say that is not true. Then say we are not listening to you.
We hear you loud and clear.
Thats why I stopped listening to you and responding to you along time ago.
No, you never had any cool to lose. Also, I really enjoyed the humor in Locutus gif, hilarious!
For the record, I couldn't care less what others here think about me when I challenge their errant beliefs, and when they come against my biblical beliefs, name call &c.
Your above is merely an opinion of a brother, showing that not only do you lie about others, but hold hatred in your heart towards brothers. Both are spoken of in Scripture and point to a not so good spiritual state.
But you're not interested in looking at your own sins and failures on here, and accepting the fact that many on here have called you out for lying.
Many people.
Some of your problems are that you spend much time trying to convince others they don't believe what they believe, that they live in sin, that they aren't then born from above, while giving yourself a pass on lying. You are obsessed with this and repeat it ad nauseam, even when told that these things are not believed or practiced. That's all I am saying, it's a known fact you do this, and somehow you think you get a pass for this.
Very interesting, I'd say that you're deceived about yourself thinking what you preach only applies to them but not to you.
Why is it, "Ralph-" that you continue on in this sin?
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UnderGrace
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Yes and how many times he does not respond to posts where scripture prove him wrong.
I wonder how many times Ralph has been saved, lost, saved again, lost, saved.....etc.
If you have believed, practice of sin will end. You probably can't handle your own medicine.
No need to ignore you, you don't offend me. I'm really concerned for your soul, that you preach to others that they may be lost, that they practice sin, that therefore they won't make it in. While you lie about what others say on a regular basis.
Let's face facts, when you chimed in on this thread, and I made a few posts, over and again you accused me of believing something that I did not believe at all, you stated my doctrine as whatever you wanted no matter that you were proven wrong. This practice of yours, twisting what was said, not listening, lying, accusing, condemning.
You have no ability to offend me. Your lies and accusations find nothing in me because they are false.
That is an excellent question. How does a man, who has repented from his ways and turned to God's Ways in repentance and humility, reject God's Instructions? The answer? They don't.
These in Matt. 7 were deceived by "Many" who come in Christ's Name, who preach that Jesus is truly the Christ, just like Jesus warned about. They "Believed" helping their fellow man in Jesus name was a righteous work. That "preaching" a doctrine in Jesus name was a righteous work. But they had actually created their own religion, and rejected God's Instructions as did the Pharisees, and Jesus rejected them for it.
Were they born doing this, or did they repent and "change" and go to this church, or become part of this religion that calls Jesus Lord, Lord? I would say "many" changed, became a "new man" when they changed from their "Old Self" to a religious person who did all things in Jesus Name. I'll bet you every one of them would have said they were filled with the Holy Spirit if you had asked them. The Whole point of this story is that they were "Deceived" into believing something about themselves that wasn't true.
You see, because I believe EVERY Word God/Jesus inspires, and not just the teaching of a huge organized religion that calls Jesus Lord, Lord, I have considered these questions years ago.
The Bible doesn't teach me to go from a lifestyle that Transgresses the commandments of God by my fleshy traditions, to a religion that Transgresses the Commandments of God by their religious traditions. Matthew 7 certainly teaches us that. Just changing which Words of God I reject means nothing.
I get that you probably are not able to understand these Words, but my hope is that you will. Consider the following Question regarding the same Matthew Chapter.
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Answer me this; Why would "MANY" want to be on a Path that leads to destruction? If the teachers of this Path stand on a street corner and declare "Follow us on this Path to destruction" would "many" follow them? Of course not. They don't tell the truth about their Path, they deceive. "Come follow us on this Path to eternal Life". Many would follow that path as did those who called Jesus Lord, Lord.
Didn't the serpent do the same thing to Eve?
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Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
How do you know you are on this narrow Path? Everyone believes they are on it, but Jesus just said "FEW" find it? Are you somehow immune from deception? Well maybe you are but I'm nothing special. I am not more powerful than the Pharisees or those in Matt. 7 Jesus warned about. So I place my faith and Trust in Him and His Instructions. He has created a FOOL PROOF test for me to know if I am on the right track or not and I believe Him.
1 John 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
Talk about the simplicity of Christ. All I need to do is look in a mirror and using God's Judgment, judge myself.
1 Cor. 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Gal. 6:3 For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
4 But let every man prove his own work, and then shall he have rejoicing in himself alone, and not in another.
5 For every man shall bear his own burden.
Lam. 6:40 Let us search and try our ways, and turn again to the LORD.
So I am trying to share a viewpoint, a man that has been freed by the Grace of God, from the influence of the "MANY" that come in Jesus Name, calling Him Lord, Lord.
I see differently than you. Only because Jesus is true and He always keeps His Promises. I see a religion called "Christianity" that calls Jesus "Lord, Lord. They have created images of this Lord in the likeness of some long haired men's hair shampoo model, a direct sin against the First and Greatest Commandment.
I see a religion that has rejected God's Sabbath that He created for them, and created their own, just like the Pharisees did.
I see a religion that has created its own great High Days and Feasts unto the Lord, and have taught against God's Own Holy Days.
These are just a few of the man made doctrines and religious traditions todays religions have created, there are many more. Those living in and practicing this iniquity don't know they are in trouble. Jesus is warning us all to snap out of it before "That Day". He doesn't do everything for you SOF. You have to make the choice first.
1 Cor. 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
Eph. 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Sadly most people prefer darkness.
I know you don't think about sinning or obeying. I fear this is the problem.
1 Cor. 10:5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
I just don't believe we can each of us create our own Salvation and instruction thereof.
I can only go by what Jesus said. Just because you call Him Lord, Lord, doesn't mean I should trust your words over His.
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: (You that call Me Lord, Lord) depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Faith in who. The long haired playgirl centerfold you all created and place the Holy Name of Jesus on?
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NoNameMcgee
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if you think you can be perfect as He is without His imputed righteousness you are in error and seek to be justified by your own righteousness
and you will fall short
Galatians 2:16
16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
You insult Jesus Word's not mine. He said clear as a bell, in a language even a child could understand, why these people were rejected. It was because they refused to walk in the Righteous instructions of God, and created their own religion with their own version of righteous works.
I can see how this might sting you.
I suggest the following by Paul is what all of us face day to day.
Romans 7 NIV
14 We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature a slave to the law of sin.
Yes, they taught a gospel that rejected God's Instructions. This made it a false gospel. That's the whole point.
Well finally you preach something the Bible agrees with. We will all be judged by our works. If you "believe", as did those in Matt., that you can create a religion that rejects God's Instructions, then Jesus has already gave you the judgment.
I never said or implied such a thing. I agree 100% that the blood of goats and the "Law of Works" of the old priesthood can justify no one. But because I believe in Every Word of God, not just the verses you can use to further your ancient religious traditions, I also understand these words of Paul.
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Those "believers" who called Jesus "Lord, Lord, in Matt. 7 surely found this truth out didn't they.
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NoNameMcgee
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no youre misunderstanding and conflating....
you dont at all know what it means to be born again if you cant understand matthew
you are in error
and it seems to me unable to see the truth...
blind to it