"Spirit-Filled" Minister of the "Word of God"

[HisMinister7]

So are you saying I an less a Christian or am lacking in knowlwdge since I do not pray in tongues?

I'm not saying that at all...

I was just addressing some misuses of Romans 8:28. Some have attempted to appropriate that promise without understanding that the verse begins with the word "And".

"And" is a conjunction. It connects what went before, with what comes afterwards. In this case, it connects "Praying in the Spirit (Tongues)" with the promise that the Holy Spirit will make intercession for the petitioner and the outcome will be "all things work for good". BUT ... three prerequisites exist:

1.) Pray in the Spirit (Tongues)
2.) Love God
3.) Be called according to HIS purpose

While you're no less of a Christian without speaking in tongues, Jesus commanded Christians to be Baptized in the Holy Ghost. (Luke 24:49)

Paul said he thanked God that he spoke with tongues more than anybody.

Why would anyone want to disobey Jesus? He called the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" ... being endued with "power from on high" (heaven).

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

To grow in trust is to begin to SEE that He works all things to the good of our soul and to accept all of our circumstances with peace BECAUSE we have finally seen this. But regardless of whether we have discovered this yet, He still is constantly working all to our good.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

I'm not saying that at all...

I was just addressing some misuses of Romans 8:28. Some have attempted to appropriate that promise without understanding that the verse begins with the word "And".

"And" is a conjunction. It connects what went before, with what comes afterwards. In this case, it connects "Praying in the Spirit (Tongues)" with the promise that the Holy Spirit will make intercession for the petitioner and the outcome will be "all things work for good". BUT ... three prerequisites ex.

So if I do not pray in tongues the Holy Spirit will not make intercession for me and the out come will not be good?

 

[preacher4truth]

I'm not saying that at all...

I was just addressing some misuses of Romans 8:28. Some have attempted to appropriate that promise without understanding that the verse begins with the word "And".

"And" is a conjunction. It connects what went before, with what comes afterwards. In this case, it connects "Praying in the Spirit (Tongues)" with the promise that the Holy Spirit will make intercession for the petitioner and the outcome will be "all things work for good". BUT ... three prerequisites exist:

1.) Pray in the Spirit (Tongues)
2.) Love God
3.) Be called according to HIS purpose

While you're no less of a Christian without speaking in tongues, Jesus commanded Christians to be Baptized in the Holy Ghost. (Luke 24:49)

Paul said he thanked God that he spoke with tongues more than anybody.

Why would anyone want to disobey Jesus? He called the "Baptism of the Holy Spirit" ... being endued with "power from on high" (heaven).

You're taking Luke 24:49 out of context. This was for the disciples and apostles, not all Christianity. First error. Your other error is cllaimung praying in the spirit means in a gift of another language. Everyone prays in a language. Second error.

Your bigger error is the charge that God won't bless others until they do things your way. Dogmatic much? You're in serious error.

 

[HisMinister7]

Praying in the spirit does not have to be done in tongues...this would mean that those who have not received the gift of tongues can assume that God will not work all to the good of their soul? Its preposterous...do all speak in tongues?

Obviously you're confusing the "Prayer Language of Tongues" with one of the nine gifts of the Spirit ("Divers kinds of tongues").

The first is available to EVERY BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN, and was commanded by Jesus in Luke 24:49.

The second is bestowed on those whom the Holy Spirit desires to use that way.

Do all speak with "divers kinds of tongues" (public ministry)? NO! Certainly not!

Do all interpret "Divers kinds of tongues"? No!!!

Can every Christian be "Baptized in the Holy Ghost" and receive "power from on high"! Absolutely!

The gift is ... "power from on high". The gift is not "tongues". Again, the gift is "power from high"!!! The prayer language (of tongues) could be loosely called "an accessory". It's the method by which we allow the Holy Spirit to intercede for us.

In EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE in the Bible where the Word speaks about being "Baptized in the Holy Ghost" ... it either says directly they spoke in tongues ... or it alludes to that!!!

Of note ... is the fact that every single writer of the New Testsment was a "tongue talking Christian".

 

[nddreamer]

In order to interpret scripture, I assume that you have read it many times. How many times have you read the Bible?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Obviously you're confusing the "Prayer Language of Tongues" with one of the nine gifts of the Spirit ("Divers kinds of tongues").

The first is available to EVERY BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN, and was commanded by Jesus in Luke 24:49.

The second is bestowed on those whom the Holy Spirit desires to use that way.

Do all speak with "divers kinds of tongues" (public ministry)? NO! Certainly not!

Do all interpret "Divers kinds of tongues"? No!!!

Can every Christian be "Baptized in the Holy Ghost" and receive "power from on high"! Absolutely!

The gift is ... "power from on high". The gift is not "tongues". Again, the gift is "power from high"!!! The prayer language (of tongues) could be loosely called "an accessory". It's the method by which we allow the Holy Spirit to intercede for us.

In EVERY SINGLE INSTANCE in the Bible where the Word speaks about being "Baptized in the Holy Ghost" ... it either says directly they spoke in tongues ... or it alludes to that!!!

Of note ... is the fact that every single writer of the New Testsment was a "tongue talking Christian".

And yet, I met God and received the Spirit almost 11 years ago and I have never spoken in another language other than English. So I am an instance of one being given the Spirit and having never spoken another language. So I am a living testimony that God does not give to all to speak in another language when they are Baptized with His Spirit. And I'm okay with that. He will give me what He will give me and it will always be what is the very best for me.

 

[Deade]

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." (Romans 8:26-28) Whoops! This is only 8:28!

This scripture is often inaccurately quoted or taken out of context. It applies ONLY when people:
1.) Pray in the Spirit (Pray in Tongues)
2.) Love God
3.) Are called according to HIS purpose

Hi HisMinister7,

They are just trying to tell you that you are coming on too strong. At least while nobody knows anything about you. Instead of trying to be everyone's fixer, try listening (or reading if you will) to some posts.

Yours,

Deade

 

[Depleted]

Lynn, Obviously you believe God has set you up some sort of Judge .., people will need to decide that for themselves.

As for me being a Pastor ... Yes ... the Lord Jesus called me into the ministry many years ago (perhaps before you were even born).

Previously, I'd been very successful in the aircraft industry, but when The Lord dealt with me about "His Calling" ... like Jesus' disciples, I dropped my profession to follow Him.., and enrolled in Bible College. (More than 40 years ago.)

Afterwards, I flew some of God's choicest ministers to their engagements and watched, learning from them. (I guess a person might call that an apprenticeship, of sorts.

Bzzzz

Well, you proved the point quickly. For a "pastor" you don't have much discernment.

I never judged you, babe. You didn't give anything to judge. So, you're going for the holier-than-thou style? Yeah. Pass.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

This is our problem. It's all of us, not just him.

God gives a gift and we become arrogant and presumptuous because of it.

Maybe that's why He gives the lesser gifts. We can't be trusted with the greater ones yet until He humbles us so He can raise us up...

 

[Angela53510]

Hilarious thread! OP comes in saying he is master theologian, here to correct us. (OK, he has a point, lots of heresies going on in this forum!)

But arrogance plus! Perhaps he doesn’t realize their are a lot of pastors in this forum? Perhaps he doesn’t realize that many of us are not Pentecostal?? Perhaps he doesn’t realize some of us walked away from the Pentecostal movement, and are closer to God because we did!

Listen, I get you are a lonely old man. And you are welcome in this forum. But as Depleted said, check things out, get to know people. Post on other people’s threads.

And if the unbelievably bad exegesis of Romans 8:28 is any indication of your theology and hermeneutical training, you are in for a very rough ride in this forum!

 

[Angela53510]

Hilarious thread! OP comes in saying he is master theologian, here to correct us. (OK, he has a point, lots of heresies going on in this forum!)

But arrogance plus! Perhaps he doesn’t realize their are a lot of pastors in this forum? Perhaps he doesn’t realize that many of us are not Pentecostal?? Perhaps he doesn’t realize some of us walked away from the Pentecostal movement, and are closer to God because we did!

Listen, I get you are a lonely old man. And you are welcome in this forum. But as Depleted said, check things out, get to know people. Post on other people’s threads.

And if the unbelievably bad exegesis of Romans 8:28 is any indication of your theology and hermeneutical training, you are in for a very rough ride in this forum!

 

[HisMinister7]

It's interesting that most of the "dissenters"
have posted between 5,000 to 18,000+ posts.

It would seem, (from reading some of their hate-filled rantings to other people) that they have nothing to do but spend their day thinking of ways to be sarcastic and hateful to others.

That's really too bad, when a few of them might actually have something constructive to say .. something that might help someone else.

If people are THAT consumed with hatred, perhaps "THEY SHOULD GET A LIFE???"

Read other people's post??? Ya gotta be kidding!!! From what I've read already ... much of what's written is either "hate-filled" or incredibly destructive. There''s "no way" that I'm going to fill my spirit with such evil.

I cannot imagine Jesus acting like they act. Obviously, they know nothing about God (who IS LOVE).

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some." (2 Timothy 2-15-18)

Hummmm... "But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto ... MORE ungodliness."

It would be difficult to be "MORE unGodly"than some of the posts that the dissenters constantly post.

"And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus." Read some of the sarcastic, hate-filled, post in this one thread ... and you can substitute a few names in the place "Hymenaeus and Philetus",

After reviewing their posts on this and other threads, ask yourself ... do I really want to ingest words that "eat as a canker"??? Maybe the best solution would be .. NEVER read another of their un-Christlike posts.

"A good thing to remember,
A better thing to do,
Be on the construction gang,
And NOT the wrecking crew."

Jesus, Himself, said, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another." (John 13:34-35)

From the hate-filled posts of some, one would deduce that they are not remotely interested in obeying Jesus, and certainly not interested in "walking in love".

"And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?" (Luke 6:46)

According to Jesus, HE is not Lord ... to those who disobey His commands.

 

[HisMinister7]

Angels53510 said: "And if the unbelievably bad exegesis of Romans 8:28 is any indication of your theology and hermeneutical training, you are in for a very rough ride in this forum

Perhaps you can't read???

Some people are educated beyond their intelligence. Be careful ... your true colors are showing ... and it's not the "love of God".

 

[Sagart]

"And" is a conjunction. It connects what went before, with what comes afterwards. In this case, it connects "Praying in the Spirit (Tongues)" with the promise that the Holy Spirit will make intercession for the petitioner and the outcome will be "all things work for good". BUT ... three prerequisites exist:

1.) Pray in the Spirit (Tongues)
2.) Love God
3.) Be called according to HIS purpose

Romans 8:26. Ὡσαύτως δὲ καὶ τὸ πνεῦμα συναντιλαμβάνεται τῇ ἀσθενείᾳ ἡμῶν· τὸ γὰρ τί προσευξώμεθα καθὸ δεῖ οὐκ οἴδαμεν, ἀλλ’ αὐτὸ τὸ πνεῦμα ὑπερεντυγχάνει στεναγμοῖς ἀλαλήτοις·
27. ὁ δὲ ἐραυνῶν τὰς καρδίας οἶδεν τί τὸ φρόνημα τοῦ πνεύματος, ὅτι κατὰ θεὸν ἐντυγχάνει ὑπὲρ ἁγίων.
28. Οἴδαμεν δὲ ὅτι τοῖς ἀγαπῶσιν τὸν θεὸν πάντα συνεργεῖ εἰς ἀγαθόν, τοῖς κατὰ πρόθεσιν κλητοῖς οὖσιν. (NA28)

Romans 8:26. Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we ought, but that very Spirit intercedes {Other ancient authorities add [for us]} with sighs too deep for words.
Romans 8:27. And God, {Gk [the one]} who searches the heart, knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit {Gk [he] or [it]} intercedes for the saints according to the will of God. {Gk [according to God]}
Romans 8:28. We know that all things work together for good {Other ancient authorities read [God makes all things work together for good], or [in all things God works for good]} for those who love God, who are called according to his purpose. (NRSV)

Paul did not write his Epistle to the Romans in English; he wrote it in Greek. Please note that in the beginning of Rom. 8:27 and 8:28, he introduces the verses using the conjunction δὲ (one of the several different conjunctions used in the Greek New Testament). This conjunction is used in several different ways in Greek, and in these two verses, Paul is using it as a continuous particle. In verse 27, he uses the conjunction δὲ to continue his train of thought from the Holy Spirit to God [the Father]. In verse 28, he uses the conjunction δὲ to continue his train of thought from the intersession of the Holy Spirit to all things working together for good. Furthermore, he writes in this verse that the working together for good pertains to those “who love God, who are called according to his purpose.” He does NOT write in this verse that the working together for good pertains to those who pray in tongue and “who love God, who are called according to his purpose.”

The conjunction δὲ in vv. 27 and 28 does NOT connect “‘Praying in the Spirit (Tongues)’ with the promise that the Holy Spirit will make intercession for the petitioner and the outcome will be ‘all things work for good’”.

 

[HisMinister7]

Hilarious thread! OP comes in saying he is master theologian, here to correct us. (OK, he has a point, lots of heresies going on in this forum!)

But arrogance plus! Perhaps he doesn’t realize their are a lot of pastors in this forum? Perhaps he doesn’t realize that many of us are not Pentecostal?? Perhaps he doesn’t realize some of us walked away from the Pentecostal movement, and are closer to God because we did!

Listen, I get you are a lonely old man. And you are welcome in this forum. But as Depleted said, check things out, get to know people. Post on other people’s threads.

And if the unbelievably bad exegesis of Romans 8:28 is any indication of your theology and hermeneutical training, you are in for a very rough ride in this forum!

I quote you: "Listen, I get you are a lonely old man." Such wickedness!!! That ANYONE who CLAIMS to be Christian would make such a "hateful statement...amazing.

That, plus your claim that retreating from the Holy Spirit ... brought you closer to God ... tells me all I need to know about you.

 

[posthuman]

My desire is that those who believe that all Scripture is "God breathed", will have a place to go for serious, accurate discussions of scriptures.

welcome to CC

 

[posthuman]

Is there such as thing as a half gospel minister?

what about 17/32[SUP]nds[/SUP] ?

 

[HisMinister7]

Hilarious thread! OP comes in saying he is master theologian, here to correct us. (OK, he has a point, lots of heresies going on in this forum!)

Perhaps he doesn’t realize some of us walked away from the Pentecostal movement, and are closer to God because we did!

Listen, I get you are a lonely old man.

... you are in for a very rough ride in this forum!

Angela53510 outright LIED!!! Nobody on this earth has EVER heard me claim to be a "master theologian".

In an effort to help those who desire answers, I offered this thread so that they could be "directed to the Scriptures" that answer their questions.

Being a thread .,. I assumed that other "men and women of God" would also add Godly comments. I never imagined that MAL-CONTENTS would "spew hatred" in such numbers.

If you become intimately acquainted with Jesus, and allow Him to do so ... He will change you.

"And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us." (Romans 5:5)

 

[HisMinister7]

You're taking Luke 24:49 out of context. This was for the disciples and apostles, not all Christianity. First error. Your other error is cllaimung praying in the spirit means in a gift of another language. Everyone prays in a language. Second error.

Your bigger error is the charge that God won't bless others until they do things your way. Dogmatic much? You're in serious error.

Using your logic ... we needn't obey ANY Scripture because none was written to us!!! Hogwash!!!

Such foolishness

I only quoted the "Word". The fact that you choose to distort the Scriptures and nullify them is sad.

Perhaps you'd be happier by insulting others ... on other threads. Oh .., I see you've already thought of that!!!

This thread was meant to bless people, and not so malcontents could spew their venom on others.

Please ... go make your sarcastic comments elsewhere. I'm not going to further dignify your silly rantings.