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"Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire."
Rev 20:15
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.
Rev 2:11
The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.
Rev 3:5
Jesus is talking about being victorious over struggles when addressing the church.
The implication is those who are not victorious do not receive the promise.
Faith in Christ amen, to completion.
I hope you believe in victory and the struggle, or else your faith will be in vain.
Paul was very concerned that people believed in vain, that his work might come to nothing
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
1 Cor 15:2
How is this true, what does Paul mean?
There are many teachers and many paths to follow but only one Lord and way.
So I encourage you, listen to Jesus and walk in His way guided by His words and the Holy Spirit, Amen.
Rev 20:15
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who is victorious will not be hurt at all by the second death.
Rev 2:11
The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.
Rev 3:5
Jesus is talking about being victorious over struggles when addressing the church.
The implication is those who are not victorious do not receive the promise.
Faith in Christ amen, to completion.
I hope you believe in victory and the struggle, or else your faith will be in vain.
Paul was very concerned that people believed in vain, that his work might come to nothing
By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
1 Cor 15:2
How is this true, what does Paul mean?
There are many teachers and many paths to follow but only one Lord and way.
So I encourage you, listen to Jesus and walk in His way guided by His words and the Holy Spirit, Amen.
The names of children of the devil will not be found in the book of life.
Revelation 2:11 - "He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death."
1 John 5:4, we read - "Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
Revelation 3:5 is another verse that impacts this issue. "He who overcomes I will never blot out his name from the book of life." The "overcomer" mentioned in this letter to Sardis is the Believer/Christian. Compare this with 1 John 5:4: "Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
Certain people read Revelation 3:5 as if God’s pen is poised and ready to strike out the name of any Christian who does not overcome every possible struggle in life that there is to overcome. They read into it like this: "If you don't overcome every struggle in life and win the victory, then you’re going to lose your salvation! In fact, I will erase your name from the Book of Life!" But that is NOT what the verse says. Jesus is giving a promise here, not a warning. Salvation is by grace through faith and is not based on the merits of our performance. Only genuine believers are victorious and will receive eternal life.
From beginning (Ephesians 2:8) to end (1 Peter 1:9) faith in Christ, not faith + the merits of our performance.
It's a struggle and an endeavor for unbelievers to let go of their works and take hold of Christ through faith. The believe in vain is to not truly believe in the first place.
1 Corinthians 15:1,2 - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.
*To believe in vain is to believe without cause or without effect, to no purpose. If, as some are saying in Corinth, there is no resurrection, then faith is vain and worthless (vs. 14). The people who fail to hold fast to the word (the gospel) that Paul preached in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, demonstrated that they "believed in vain" (did not truly believe).
There is only ONE way - John 3:15,16,18; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; 10:9; 14:6.
Revelation 2:11 - "He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death."
1 John 5:4, we read - "Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
Revelation 3:5 is another verse that impacts this issue. "He who overcomes I will never blot out his name from the book of life." The "overcomer" mentioned in this letter to Sardis is the Believer/Christian. Compare this with 1 John 5:4: "Everyone who is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
Certain people read Revelation 3:5 as if God’s pen is poised and ready to strike out the name of any Christian who does not overcome every possible struggle in life that there is to overcome. They read into it like this: "If you don't overcome every struggle in life and win the victory, then you’re going to lose your salvation! In fact, I will erase your name from the Book of Life!" But that is NOT what the verse says. Jesus is giving a promise here, not a warning. Salvation is by grace through faith and is not based on the merits of our performance. Only genuine believers are victorious and will receive eternal life.
From beginning (Ephesians 2:8) to end (1 Peter 1:9) faith in Christ, not faith + the merits of our performance.
It's a struggle and an endeavor for unbelievers to let go of their works and take hold of Christ through faith. The believe in vain is to not truly believe in the first place.
1 Corinthians 15:1,2 - Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you--unless you believed in vain.
*To believe in vain is to believe without cause or without effect, to no purpose. If, as some are saying in Corinth, there is no resurrection, then faith is vain and worthless (vs. 14). The people who fail to hold fast to the word (the gospel) that Paul preached in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, demonstrated that they "believed in vain" (did not truly believe).
There is only ONE way - John 3:15,16,18; 6:40,47; 11:25,26; 10:9; 14:6.
You seem to be saying there is a distinction between finding Christ and how it effects ones life.
What are you scared of and what is there to dissect?
Cause and effect, action and response. Jesus is the way, Amen, so why is there a question about following?
Sounds like unbelief, or a lack of faith, or a desire to stay in the world and have all the benefits of the
Kingdom.
If one trusts Christ one follows His words, because He is God and worthy to be trusted.
The worldly passions tempt the flesh but lead to death, sowing to the Spirit leads to life.
If life is gained without sowing, life is just a reward or status and all can receive it without any problems,
which is just universalism.
I am happy that people find reassurance in their lives, but do not believe this is the gospel of Christ.
I suppose the question is what did Jesus mean by this
“The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
Matt 13:24-30
I cannot change the seed sown in peoples lives or their response, but I can grow in grace
and love in the Kingdom, and know His victory. I pray that all might likewise walk in His blessing.
Amen.
What are you scared of and what is there to dissect?
Cause and effect, action and response. Jesus is the way, Amen, so why is there a question about following?
Sounds like unbelief, or a lack of faith, or a desire to stay in the world and have all the benefits of the
Kingdom.
If one trusts Christ one follows His words, because He is God and worthy to be trusted.
The worldly passions tempt the flesh but lead to death, sowing to the Spirit leads to life.
If life is gained without sowing, life is just a reward or status and all can receive it without any problems,
which is just universalism.
I am happy that people find reassurance in their lives, but do not believe this is the gospel of Christ.
I suppose the question is what did Jesus mean by this
“The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’
28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.
“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’
29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”
Matt 13:24-30
I cannot change the seed sown in peoples lives or their response, but I can grow in grace
and love in the Kingdom, and know His victory. I pray that all might likewise walk in His blessing.
Amen.
E
Jesus said, "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." Jesus equates lust with adultery; hopefully nobody is going to argue about adultery being sin? Oh, wait, they already have 
It was James who said. "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
It was James who said. "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
What we can know is Jesus was never DRAWN away and never sinned, But the Bible still states, he was tempted in ALL areas.
I could be wrong, But I think this is what Blue was trying to say.
Ie, He was tempted to lust, in his humanity, He never, however was drawn away, Same with Envy, Same with Anger, same with all things.
Jesus had righteous anger, He was angry because of the poor being taken advantage of, And because his fathers house was being dishonored, It was never self motivated. Thats why it was never sin.
E
EG, could you please explain what you mean by Jesus' anger was never self-motivated? I mean, He may not have been angry for Himself, but He DID make the choice to get angry. So wouldn't that fall under self-motivation?
Again,. His anger was based on what happened to others. And what was happening in his fathers house. It was not because he was offended, And/or he needed to stick up for himself. Or he was hurt and he needed to lash out and take vengeance.
There is a distinction between cause and effect. Faith and works. When we find Christ it absolutely effects our life. Believers have been born again and are new creations in Christ. Praise God!
Who said I was scared?
Faith is the cause (root) of salvation and action and response (works) are the fruit.
We are saved through believing in Him/placing our faith in Christ for salvation (CAUSE) and following Jesus afterwards is the (EFFECT).
Sounds like a straw man argument. My belief/faith is in Christ and is not in works.
We trust in Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation in order to receive salvation. Jesus is God and is worthy to be trusted but that does not mean the Christian life is without stumbling or growth. Do you teach sinless perfection?
I don't teach universalism.
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To BELIEVE the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
The enemy in the parable is Satan. In opposition to Jesus Christ, the devil tries to destroy Christ’s work by placing false believers and teachers in the world to lead others astray. Instead of requiring these false believers to be rooted out of the world, and possibly hurting immature believers in the process, Christ allows them to remain until He returns. We are not to take it upon ourselves to uproot unbelievers because the difference between true and false believers isn’t always obvious. Tares, especially in the early stages of growth, may resemble wheat. Likewise, a false believer may resemble a true believer. In Matthew 7:22, Jesus warned that many who profess faith do not truly KNOW Him.
In Matthew 15:13, Jesus said - "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted."
Who said I was scared?
Faith is the cause (root) of salvation and action and response (works) are the fruit.
We are saved through believing in Him/placing our faith in Christ for salvation (CAUSE) and following Jesus afterwards is the (EFFECT).
Sounds like a straw man argument. My belief/faith is in Christ and is not in works.
We trust in Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation in order to receive salvation. Jesus is God and is worthy to be trusted but that does not mean the Christian life is without stumbling or growth. Do you teach sinless perfection?
I don't teach universalism.
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To BELIEVE the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
The enemy in the parable is Satan. In opposition to Jesus Christ, the devil tries to destroy Christ’s work by placing false believers and teachers in the world to lead others astray. Instead of requiring these false believers to be rooted out of the world, and possibly hurting immature believers in the process, Christ allows them to remain until He returns. We are not to take it upon ourselves to uproot unbelievers because the difference between true and false believers isn’t always obvious. Tares, especially in the early stages of growth, may resemble wheat. Likewise, a false believer may resemble a true believer. In Matthew 7:22, Jesus warned that many who profess faith do not truly KNOW Him.
In Matthew 15:13, Jesus said - "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted."
My gospel is the same gospel that the apostle Paul preached, which is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16).
Your gospel seems to be "salvation based on the merits of your best efforts to follow Christ/salvation by works."
Thank you for revealing the true "object" of your faith.
Your gospel seems to be "salvation based on the merits of your best efforts to follow Christ/salvation by works."
Thank you for revealing the true "object" of your faith.
There is a distinction between cause and effect. Faith and works. When we find Christ it absolutely effects our life. Believers have been born again and are new creations in Christ. Praise God!
Who said I was scared?
Faith is the cause (root) of salvation and action and response (works) are the fruit.
We are saved through believing in Him/placing our faith in Christ for salvation (CAUSE) and following Jesus afterwards is the (EFFECT).
Sounds like a straw man argument. My belief/faith is in Christ and is not in works.
We trust in Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation in order to receive salvation. Jesus is God and is worthy to be trusted but that does not mean the Christian life is without stumbling or growth. Do you teach sinless perfection?
I don't teach universalism.
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To BELIEVE the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
The enemy in the parable is Satan. In opposition to Jesus Christ, the devil tries to destroy Christ’s work by placing false believers and teachers in the world to lead others astray. Instead of requiring these false believers to be rooted out of the world, and possibly hurting immature believers in the process, Christ allows them to remain until He returns. We are not to take it upon ourselves to uproot unbelievers because the difference between true and false believers isn’t always obvious. Tares, especially in the early stages of growth, may resemble wheat. Likewise, a false believer may resemble a true believer. In Matthew 7:22, Jesus warned that many who profess faith do not truly KNOW Him.
In Matthew 15:13, Jesus said - "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted."
Who said I was scared?
Faith is the cause (root) of salvation and action and response (works) are the fruit.
We are saved through believing in Him/placing our faith in Christ for salvation (CAUSE) and following Jesus afterwards is the (EFFECT).
Sounds like a straw man argument. My belief/faith is in Christ and is not in works.
We trust in Christ as the all sufficient means of our salvation in order to receive salvation. Jesus is God and is worthy to be trusted but that does not mean the Christian life is without stumbling or growth. Do you teach sinless perfection?
I don't teach universalism.
The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16). To BELIEVE the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
The enemy in the parable is Satan. In opposition to Jesus Christ, the devil tries to destroy Christ’s work by placing false believers and teachers in the world to lead others astray. Instead of requiring these false believers to be rooted out of the world, and possibly hurting immature believers in the process, Christ allows them to remain until He returns. We are not to take it upon ourselves to uproot unbelievers because the difference between true and false believers isn’t always obvious. Tares, especially in the early stages of growth, may resemble wheat. Likewise, a false believer may resemble a true believer. In Matthew 7:22, Jesus warned that many who profess faith do not truly KNOW Him.
In Matthew 15:13, Jesus said - "Every plant which My heavenly Father did not plant shall be uprooted."
Or have you another problem or issue you want to raise?
I am all ears.
Him and His Father are one. It was His House that the fake preachers of His Time were defiling. It was His Feast's that the Fake Preachers of His time were corrupting. There is something called "The Wrath of God".
Jesus was exhibiting this Wrath and it was a righteous anger. There is a lot of talk about this anger in the Bible.
Eph. 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Anger is not a sin according to God. Selling your wares for profit on a Holy Day is a sin and angered Jesus greatly. But Anger in itself is not a sin. At lease according to the God of the Bible.
Jesus was exhibiting this Wrath and it was a righteous anger. There is a lot of talk about this anger in the Bible.
Eph. 5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
Anger is not a sin according to God. Selling your wares for profit on a Holy Day is a sin and angered Jesus greatly. But Anger in itself is not a sin. At lease according to the God of the Bible.
There is always a danger of describing the same thing from two different directions.
A believer who lives in a world without structure or guidance, where people are lost and need
a framework to find love and stability, one will emphasise the strength of rules, discipline and
faithfulness.
A believer who lives in a world of only structure but with no love, of rules that hurt and destroy
and grind people down, one will emphasise love, freedom and choice.
But both can be describing the same gospel to different audiences.
Paul put it like this
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
1 Cor 9:20-23
I am not from a legalistic background, beaten, conformist and terrified of obeying rules
or being blasted into Hell. Rather the opposite, do what you want, live and let live.
A lot of people here have spent most of their lives terrified by groups, family, jobs,
society in general, and their view of God and theology reflects this.
Which should be stronger in our lives, our love of Christ or how we describe it?
Which needs to change and grow and which will respond as Christ reveals more of
Himself to our hearts as we follow?
A believer who lives in a world without structure or guidance, where people are lost and need
a framework to find love and stability, one will emphasise the strength of rules, discipline and
faithfulness.
A believer who lives in a world of only structure but with no love, of rules that hurt and destroy
and grind people down, one will emphasise love, freedom and choice.
But both can be describing the same gospel to different audiences.
Paul put it like this
To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
1 Cor 9:20-23
I am not from a legalistic background, beaten, conformist and terrified of obeying rules
or being blasted into Hell. Rather the opposite, do what you want, live and let live.
A lot of people here have spent most of their lives terrified by groups, family, jobs,
society in general, and their view of God and theology reflects this.
Which should be stronger in our lives, our love of Christ or how we describe it?
Which needs to change and grow and which will respond as Christ reveals more of
Himself to our hearts as we follow?