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Saying something is "supposed to be available to the public" is disingenuous.
That bakery never sold what was demanded. It was not on the menu.
That would be like a gay man walking into a strip club demanding that men be on the roster, when it is a strip club catering to heterosexual males wanting to get an eyeful of naked women. Do gay men have the right to demand that such clubs provide them male strippers for their entertainment? Aren't male strippers "supposed to be available to the public" in a strip club also? According to you, apparently the answer is yes.
That bakery never sold what was demanded. It was not on the menu.
That would be like a gay man walking into a strip club demanding that men be on the roster, when it is a strip club catering to heterosexual males wanting to get an eyeful of naked women. Do gay men have the right to demand that such clubs provide them male strippers for their entertainment? Aren't male strippers "supposed to be available to the public" in a strip club also? According to you, apparently the answer is yes.
K
So you are saying God forgives sin even when its not repented of? The difference between my sin and their sin is Jesus,my sin is under the blood,theres is not if they have not repented.If a homosexual becomes a Christian and repents of his lifestyle God forgives the same as He forgives us all. I don't see anyone here saying any different.
Secondly there is a difference between failing and living a sinful lifestyle. If you are calling yourself a Christian but continue living in sin you are a liar. So there is a difference in making a mistake and sincerely repenting and living a sinful lifestyle and thinking God is ok with that.He isn't.
Secondly there is a difference between failing and living a sinful lifestyle. If you are calling yourself a Christian but continue living in sin you are a liar. So there is a difference in making a mistake and sincerely repenting and living a sinful lifestyle and thinking God is ok with that.He isn't.
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The example you used doesn't even make sense, is fantastical, and is not a reflection of my views. I don't understand how defiled/cursed objects work, how beds are included with home purchases, or how the buyer has already gained access and "cursed" the home they want a loan for.
I wouldn't deny anyone a loan to purchase themselves a shelter, I would deny a loan for a gay wedding.
That would be an actual and fair representation of my views. You have created this "next person" to criticize for the odd actions you supply to them, leave me out of it.
I wouldn't deny anyone a loan to purchase themselves a shelter, I would deny a loan for a gay wedding.
That would be an actual and fair representation of my views. You have created this "next person" to criticize for the odd actions you supply to them, leave me out of it.
Jesus forgave ALL sin, otherwise we all are doomed.
According to Jesus , greed & anger are all sins. You practice these sins daily and justify in your mind that it is fine and dandy. To you all is fine. Jesus calls you a sinner. It's in the first book of the NT. With your mindset, you would need to sell all your possessions to repent of your greed. Do you have possessions? With your definition of repentance you would need to never ever be angry or say a curse word, do you do that? You don't and you can't. It's all there in the book of Matthew. You may not like it but it's there out of Jesus on mouth. You didn't have a leg to stand on. You and I are practicing sinners, unrepentant sinners same as the the gay couple you think is beneath you.
According to Jesus , greed & anger are all sins. You practice these sins daily and justify in your mind that it is fine and dandy. To you all is fine. Jesus calls you a sinner. It's in the first book of the NT. With your mindset, you would need to sell all your possessions to repent of your greed. Do you have possessions? With your definition of repentance you would need to never ever be angry or say a curse word, do you do that? You don't and you can't. It's all there in the book of Matthew. You may not like it but it's there out of Jesus on mouth. You didn't have a leg to stand on. You and I are practicing sinners, unrepentant sinners same as the the gay couple you think is beneath you.
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Christ provided us access and connection with God, so that we have the ability to undergo the process of having our sins forgiven.
He did not "forgive ALL sin" indiscriminately for everyone forever, and just by being a believer your sins are not immediately forgiven.
No we don't, you not only personally have warped views, you also warp ours and then argue with yourself.
How do we think all is fine, but also have mindsets and definition that would require us to sell all of our possessions and take other extremes to satisfy?
He did not "forgive ALL sin" indiscriminately for everyone forever, and just by being a believer your sins are not immediately forgiven.
No we don't, you not only personally have warped views, you also warp ours and then argue with yourself.
How do we think all is fine, but also have mindsets and definition that would require us to sell all of our possessions and take other extremes to satisfy?
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We have fundamentally different views of sin, and the responsibilities we have as Christians. Trying to discuss which is right will only lead to conflict, because I don't consider these views as valid.
I'm assuming you have derived your beliefs off of your own discernment of scripture, rather than any conventional teachers or sources.
I'm assuming you have derived your beliefs off of your own discernment of scripture, rather than any conventional teachers or sources.
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Well it is about people thinking they are above other people. For that they need a scapegoat.
Going back in history, when there were slaves, Christians did the same thing when liberal minded people were for the abolishment of slavery. They would say the Bible approves of slavery, which in some way it does appear to, depending on your context (and throwing out the context of civil progress).
In this case it is saying that the Bible is against homosexuals. But is the whole Bible and everything it stands for about being against homosexuals? What people do is take an ancient context, and try and make it a modern context. This is how they justify a modern view, and if they can't win, they say that the modern world is more hellish than ancient time.
But if you ask someone who is anti-homosexual, if they are pro-slavery, then you see why I find it hypocritical. People take things from holy books, put them in a context that justifies their own thoughts and actions.
What ever happened to the message of love Jesus gave us, and knowing with all your heart that God is Love?
If they don't like civil progress and think that they are fighting a battle they will win, when it is obvious they won't because it is civil progress rather than backtracking (logically) then why don't they go live in a country where homosexuality is banned? That's right, they appreciate the civil progress made in the civilised world. But you can't cherry pick things and say I like that but don't like that, it is a pointless venture.
Is it civil progress that homosexuals are not killed and castrated and murdered and abused, as much as they were in the past? Or would someone prefer to go back in time (backtrack). I'm pretty sure going back to suppression is not civil progress.
Going back in history, when there were slaves, Christians did the same thing when liberal minded people were for the abolishment of slavery. They would say the Bible approves of slavery, which in some way it does appear to, depending on your context (and throwing out the context of civil progress).
In this case it is saying that the Bible is against homosexuals. But is the whole Bible and everything it stands for about being against homosexuals? What people do is take an ancient context, and try and make it a modern context. This is how they justify a modern view, and if they can't win, they say that the modern world is more hellish than ancient time.
But if you ask someone who is anti-homosexual, if they are pro-slavery, then you see why I find it hypocritical. People take things from holy books, put them in a context that justifies their own thoughts and actions.
What ever happened to the message of love Jesus gave us, and knowing with all your heart that God is Love?
If they don't like civil progress and think that they are fighting a battle they will win, when it is obvious they won't because it is civil progress rather than backtracking (logically) then why don't they go live in a country where homosexuality is banned? That's right, they appreciate the civil progress made in the civilised world. But you can't cherry pick things and say I like that but don't like that, it is a pointless venture.
Is it civil progress that homosexuals are not killed and castrated and murdered and abused, as much as they were in the past? Or would someone prefer to go back in time (backtrack). I'm pretty sure going back to suppression is not civil progress.
K
Ummm nowhere did I say God did not forgive sin. If you do not repent of sin and turn away from sin then,of course,God cannot forgive you.But nowhere did I say God didn't forgive sin. Please read what I said before you respond.
Yes,they are all sins but they are not called abominations. Homosexuality is a sin against ones own body and God considers it a serious sin. Please go back to the video I posted and listen to what he says about why marriage is sacred.
My you sound terribly immature. You made a judgement of me and know nothing about me.And apparently you can't read either,no where did I say my sin is right. Nowhere. I said my sin is under the blood and theirs can be also if they hear the TRUTH. The Bible tells us to be salt and light. There are threads here on Christians insisting they are sinless,never did I hint that I was sinless so don't put words in my mouth.Read what Im saying!
No,Jesus calls me forgiven and His child. You don't mind if I trust His word over yours do you?
Son, you're about to step on the fightin side of me. Don't speak to me of possessions. I spent 20yrs in ministry. You don't want to go down this road with me about possessions and greed.
Acts-Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out...
Proverbs -Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper,
but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.
Acts-Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
Luke -I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
There is the Bible definition of repentance,not my own. Surely you don't disagree with that...
I cannot speak for you but no,I am not a "practicing" sinner,nor "unrepentant" I think you have a terrible misunderstanding of the Bible to make such a comment. And if you are a practicing,unrepentant sinner I suggest you give your heart to the Lord and become saved.
Son,you seriously need to grow up. Nowhere did I say gays were beneath me. Thats a plain and simple judgment call on your part. You preach the truth in love. And Ive seen people walk to the altar and give their heart to the Lord because they heard the truth. That is what we were told to do,preach the word,the truth,the Good News that Jesus saves. You know Jesus never left sinners in bondage,He saved them and made them whole.Perhaps you need to look into the Book again.
K
Ok,first off the cat video was funny. I had to say something nice about one of your posts at least.
So,once again,you are making a judgment call. There's an old song that says "Im a sinner saved by grace". So far I haven't seen anyone here claim to be sinless or about anyone else. Ive seen plenty of judgment calls but no one has said such a thing.
Ummm actually it was the southern Democrats that were for slavery,the liberals as you say. It was Christians that abolished slavery actually. Republican Christians.
No,the Bible does not condone the type of slavery that was in the south. Scriptures were twisted to support their view.
So the Bible is not against homosexuality? What do you mean by ancient context? The whole Bible is useless then,because its all ancient context.
Ive got news for you,God is against homosexuality. Now you can find that hypocritical if you like. If saw a house on fire would you try to save the people inside? I believe that homosexuality is bondage and that Jesus can save and turn around the life of any gay person and they can be a witness to others. A missionary that spoke at our church last year talked about a young man that was a prostitute. He heard the truth and he became saved. His gay friends mocked him,but he stayed true and shared the Gospel to all who would listen. Then he came down with aids but he kept sharing the truth. When he died his funeral was packed and some of those friends that mocked him were saved that day. Do you not think God has the power to save? Is He so weak that He cannot change a life? Or are we to just leave people in bondage and death?Yes,God is love but He is also our judge and sin will send us to hell. And so we preach the truth,the balanced truth.
At the core of the battle between Christians and homosexuals,
is MARRIAGE.
Way back in the 1970s when Gay Liberation was preaching its
political mission statements the common theme was
alternative choices and lifestyles.
Being bent as opposed to being straight was the way to go.
There was straight society over their with marriage, mummy and daddy
and their children. One choice
But in a sexual politics democracy there was an alternative lifestyle
that homosexuals could choose that would be different from the
straight world.
No marriage. No children. Sexual freedom to live to a very different
lifestyle. Multiple partners. Doing the beat. Porn magazines.
Being 'bent' was the culture.
Now these same sexual politics radical revolutionaries want to suddenly become
"conservative" and emulate straight society and become daddy and daddy or
mummy and mummy with children, and play modern families.
Something is very wrong here.
Why all the focus, the demand for equivalency to heterosexual marriage
that is of our religious legacy?
Civil rights, political rights, human rights, discrimination and all that
nonsense is just a smoke screen. A veil to hide the deep reasons
underlying this political and social revolution.
It is about blasphemy. Offending God. Taking down Jesus as the way,
the truth and the life. Like abortion it is perceived as a great anti-Christ
victory over God and his moral law.
It grieves me and I despair for the fate of this world. That liberals,
progressives, Marxists, humanists, lefties, dumb college and university
kids, and all who make up the unbelieving motley crew called the
un-Godly have chosen death and perdition over life and joy with God.
Repent and seek salvation before it is too late.
Just as God shut the door on Noah's ark and all who were not inside
perished, so it shall be again on that last day.
33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that hears me, watching daily at my gates,
waiting at the posts of my doors.
35 For whoso finds me finds life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36 But he that sins against me wrongs his own soul:
all they that hate me love death.
Proverbs 8:
is MARRIAGE.
Way back in the 1970s when Gay Liberation was preaching its
political mission statements the common theme was
alternative choices and lifestyles.
Being bent as opposed to being straight was the way to go.
There was straight society over their with marriage, mummy and daddy
and their children. One choice
But in a sexual politics democracy there was an alternative lifestyle
that homosexuals could choose that would be different from the
straight world.
No marriage. No children. Sexual freedom to live to a very different
lifestyle. Multiple partners. Doing the beat. Porn magazines.
Being 'bent' was the culture.
Now these same sexual politics radical revolutionaries want to suddenly become
"conservative" and emulate straight society and become daddy and daddy or
mummy and mummy with children, and play modern families.
Something is very wrong here.
Why all the focus, the demand for equivalency to heterosexual marriage
that is of our religious legacy?
Civil rights, political rights, human rights, discrimination and all that
nonsense is just a smoke screen. A veil to hide the deep reasons
underlying this political and social revolution.
It is about blasphemy. Offending God. Taking down Jesus as the way,
the truth and the life. Like abortion it is perceived as a great anti-Christ
victory over God and his moral law.
It grieves me and I despair for the fate of this world. That liberals,
progressives, Marxists, humanists, lefties, dumb college and university
kids, and all who make up the unbelieving motley crew called the
un-Godly have chosen death and perdition over life and joy with God.
Repent and seek salvation before it is too late.
Just as God shut the door on Noah's ark and all who were not inside
perished, so it shall be again on that last day.
33 Hear instruction, and be wise, and refuse it not.
34 Blessed is the man that hears me, watching daily at my gates,
waiting at the posts of my doors.
35 For whoso finds me finds life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
36 But he that sins against me wrongs his own soul:
all they that hate me love death.
Proverbs 8:
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https://www.amazon.com.au/Stealing-Child-Injustice-Marriage-Equality-ebook/dp/B072ST2MF9
Australians are being asked to accept a breathtakingly subversive redefinition of marriage,
parenting, family and gender, with consequences for core liberties and our children’s education;
yet when we raise concerns we are called ‘bigots’. We are branded as ‘haters’ for defending a
child’s birthright to her own biological mother and father. We are insulted as ‘homophobes’
for defending our children from the genderless “Safe Schools” programme.
parenting, family and gender, with consequences for core liberties and our children’s education;
yet when we raise concerns we are called ‘bigots’. We are branded as ‘haters’ for defending a
child’s birthright to her own biological mother and father. We are insulted as ‘homophobes’
for defending our children from the genderless “Safe Schools” programme.
I noticed this is not the first time someone talks about that the only sin you go to hell for is not believing in God.
Even after you tell them that it doesn't work like that and why.
If they are not willing to learn and to follow the truth, then they are probably trying to convince us that half of what society tell us is right is 'not so wrong after all' , based on a politically social view.
I can't blame them. Hearing the same wrong statements for years almost everywhere and giving you bad names if you think otherwise, can easily 'brainwash' you.
It's not easy for them to escape from that state. They know that if they follow God entirely, it will take a lot of time to not think of something as "okay and normal" when society tells you it is.
But God is patient. He gives us time. As we are saying here and we always say, the important thing is to sincerely repent and recognize you are a sinner. If they fall again to think that a sin is okay or commit it, they just have to repent and try not to do it again. They can even tell God to help them. God is so compassionate that you don't even have to literally pray out loud, He listens to your thoughts. Long or short thought of repent, it is still repenting for Him.
Even after you tell them that it doesn't work like that and why.
If they are not willing to learn and to follow the truth, then they are probably trying to convince us that half of what society tell us is right is 'not so wrong after all' , based on a politically social view.
I can't blame them. Hearing the same wrong statements for years almost everywhere and giving you bad names if you think otherwise, can easily 'brainwash' you.
It's not easy for them to escape from that state. They know that if they follow God entirely, it will take a lot of time to not think of something as "okay and normal" when society tells you it is.
But God is patient. He gives us time. As we are saying here and we always say, the important thing is to sincerely repent and recognize you are a sinner. If they fall again to think that a sin is okay or commit it, they just have to repent and try not to do it again. They can even tell God to help them. God is so compassionate that you don't even have to literally pray out loud, He listens to your thoughts. Long or short thought of repent, it is still repenting for Him.
https://www.amazon.com.au/Stealing-Child-Injustice-Marriage-Equality-ebook/dp/B072ST2MF9
Australians are being asked to accept a breathtakingly subversive redefinition of marriage,
parenting, family and gender, with consequences for core liberties and our children’s education;
yet when we raise concerns we are called ‘bigots’. We are branded as ‘haters’ for defending a
child’s birthright to her own biological mother and father. We are insulted as ‘homophobes’
for defending our children from the genderless “Safe Schools” programme.
parenting, family and gender, with consequences for core liberties and our children’s education;
yet when we raise concerns we are called ‘bigots’. We are branded as ‘haters’ for defending a
child’s birthright to her own biological mother and father. We are insulted as ‘homophobes’
for defending our children from the genderless “Safe Schools” programme.
I feel embarrassed and bad to tell this, but I can't help but feel uncomfortable to see two individuals of the same sex kissing or even being in love.
But I don't hate or insult or hurt them.
So I tried to ask (outside of this forum) if I'm a homophobe. Some told me, I maybe am and others told me I have internalized homophobia. (but internalized homophobia is something homosexuals have. Not heterosexuals. This is another confusion.)
I felt and feel so bad/confused/unsure. Especially since almost everyone say that homophobes (also harmless people that find homosexuality uncomfortable) need and deserve to die.
I don't want to play the victim, I just wanted to share this.
I don't know if I should feel guilty or not. And I don't know if I deserve to die or not. The only thing I'm sure about is that God doesn't and would never think such thing and this makes me feel a lot better and less scared.
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it should absolutely make you feel uncomfortable
it is no less perverted than incest.....
Romans 3:4
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
if you are being told to accept gays as being normal
that is people with seared hearts trying to harden yours...
dont feel guilty if sinful perversions make you feel uncomfortable
it is no less perverted than incest.....
Romans 3:4
4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
if you are being told to accept gays as being normal
that is people with seared hearts trying to harden yours...
dont feel guilty if sinful perversions make you feel uncomfortable
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