Warning! Catholic church is a FALSE religion

[MahogonySnail]

Jesus is alive in heaven, not in pieces of bread and wine.

You make Jesus out to be a cannibal, or yourselves.

Test_F_i_2_Luv I don't know much about Hare Krishna's, other than the ones I see on the street sometimes. So my ANSWER to your Question is I don't know.

 

[suaso]

Part of the theology of the Eucharist is basically in the same line of thinking of the theology if the Incarnation. If God can be alive on Earth as Jesus Christ while being nailed to a cross and dying, and he can still be Lord and ruler of the Universe, holding existence in place because he has the power to do many things as once - be many places at once - then he can certainly be in the Eucharist too. If he could not, then he could not have died on the cross without the universe falling into non-existence.

In all truth, even the Romans thought that Christians were cannibals (and incestuous, actually). Pliny the Younger was sent by emperor Trajan to observe their behavior, and witnessing the way they worshipped, confirmed that the words "Take and eat, this is my body, etc..." were used during the Eucharistic feast. The early Christians were accused of being cannibals because of this: http://www.fordham.edu/HALSALL/ancient/christian-cannibals.html. The Romans had heard of what went on in Christian services - mainly only based off of the prayers used and not eye-witness accounts - and assumed cannabalistic behavior was in fact going on.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Isn't that a problem for you though?
Think about this logically.

How can you say you actually eat Christ's body and blood without sounding like cannibals.

And then if you deny that you are cannibals, how can you claim to actually eat the real body and blood of Christ?

 

[Baptistrw]

Part of the theology of the Eucharist is basically in the same line of thinking of the theology if the Incarnation. If God can be alive on Earth as Jesus Christ while being nailed to a cross and dying, and he can still be Lord and ruler of the Universe, holding existence in place because he has the power to do many things as once - be many places at once - then he can certainly be in the Eucharist too. If he could not, then he could not have died on the cross without the universe falling into non-existence.

In all truth, even the Romans thought that Christians were cannibals (and incestuous, actually). Pliny the Younger was sent by emperor Trajan to observe their behavior, and witnessing the way they worshipped, confirmed that the words "Take and eat, this is my body, etc..." were used during the Eucharistic feast. The early Christians were accused of being cannibals because of this: http://www.fordham.edu/HALSALL/ancient/christian-cannibals.html. The Romans had heard of what went on in Christian services - mainly only based off of the prayers used and not eye-witness accounts - and assumed cannabalistic behavior was in fact going on.

Jesus was never in more than one place at once at any point in His earthly time.Communion is nothing but a memorial to the suffering of Christ. Reoffering Christ is blasphmey. He was offered once for all.

 

[suaso]

If anyone hears a resounding "thud," it is me banging my head on my desk...

What is cannibalism? A cannibal eats the flesh of a dead human being. The dead human being is then a former person, if you excuse my humor.
Christ is not a dead human being. He is the eternal Word made Flesh. He is different than a dead human being hickory smoked and maranated over a pit. Cannibalism and what happens at the Eucharist is not the same thing in any stretch of the imagination. I really can't think of a good way to explain how this is so. I also can't explain how God can be everywhere at once (because he is), but I accept it on faith that he is, just as I accept it on faith that he is truly present in the Eucharist. Maybe in the future I or someone else will be able to explain this to you folks more adequately. I freely admit that I do not have the best answer to all the question, but I also admit that I am still learning. Excuse my inadequacies and do not replace them with the understanding that there is no good answer. There is a good answer, I just don't have it at the moment.

 

[suaso]

As to the "offered once and for all," yes, he was offered once and for all. His one time sacrifice of himself on the cross redeems all of mankind unto the end of ages. No other sacrifice can replace his. The Eucharist is a re-representation of that sacrifice which brings it to the present point in time, in similar fashion to how the Passover of Jews is a re-representing of the first Passover: it makes it present again.

 

[Baptistrw]

As to the "offered once and for all," yes, he was offered once and for all. His one time sacrifice of himself on the cross redeems all of mankind unto the end of ages. No other sacrifice can replace his. The Eucharist is a re-representation of that sacrifice which brings it to the present point in time, in similar fashion to how the Passover of Jews is a re-representing of the first Passover: it makes it present again.

Catechism 1392 What material food produces in our bodily life, Holy Communion wonderfully achieves in our spiritual life. Communion with the flesh of the risen Christ, a flesh "given life and giving life through the Holy Spirit,"229 preserves, increases, and renews the life of grace received at Baptism. This growth in Christian life needs the nourishment of Eucharistic Communion, the bread for our pilgrimage until the moment of death, when it will be given to us as viaticum.

1405 There is no surer pledge or dearer sign of this great hope in the new heavens and new earth "in which righteousness dwells,"248 than the Eucharist. Every time this mystery is celebrated, "the work of our redemption is carried on" and we "break the one bread that provides the medicine of immortality, the antidote for death, and the food that makes us live for ever in Jesus Christ."249

 

[suaso]

Yup. having the strength of Chirst in the Eucharist within us preserves, increases, and renews the life of grace recived at Baptism in us. I know my life would not be as enjoyable as it is without it. I actually admit, I feel quite weak when I have been away from the Eucharist for so long as a week. I get much spiritual nourishment and strenght from daily mass where I daily partake in the Eucharist.

Carrying over from the other thread, I have this to say:
If Baptism is not required for salvation...then why does Jesus send his desciples out to Baptise all nations in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

 

[thefightinglamb]

Its not just the space continue-m that is violated by Jesus being in the body and saying that the bread and wine were his blood; it is the time continu-m that makes absolutely no sense to take literally...He had not been sacrificed yet!!! If that was truly "the eucharist" then he would not need to be sacrificed on a cross, as he is sacrificed in that eucharist and would be henceforth sacrificed in the eucharist.

 

[MahogonySnail]

What is cannibalism? A cannibal eats the flesh of a dead human being. The dead human being is then a former person, if you excuse my humor.
Christ is not a dead human being. He is the eternal Word made Flesh. He is different than a dead human being hickory smoked and maranated over a pit. Cannibalism and what happens at the Eucharist is not the same thing in any stretch of the imagination. I really can't think of a good way to explain how this is so. I also can't explain how God can be everywhere at once (because he is), but I accept it on faith that he is, just as I accept it on faith that he is truly present in the Eucharist. Maybe in the future I or someone else will be able to explain this to you folks more adequately. I freely admit that I do not have the best answer to all the question, but I also admit that I am still learning. Excuse my inadequacies and do not replace them with the understanding that there is no good answer. There is a good answer, I just don't have it at the moment.

you have a point there lol. But don't you believe Christ is crucified? Isn't a crucified Christ a dead Christ? Isn't the bread and wine symbolic of His crucifixion?

But I wouldn't put it past cannibals to eat the flesh off you while you are still alive. I'm sure some have tried that lol.

I'm trying to think about this logically. The Catholic church doesn't forbid use of logic does it?

Jesus died, rose from the dead, ascended into heaven, in his bodily form. End of story. His flesh, remains very much intact on his glorified and ascended body, in heaven.

When you take communion, and taste salty wine, then it might be turned into blood.

The thing is it has never been proven that the bread and wine actually turns into flesh and blood.

And if you only think it does, or believe it does, but it doesn't actualyl, then that means the bread and blood is still but a symbol of Christ's body and blood.

 

[Baptistrw]

Yup. having the strength of Chirst in the Eucharist within us preserves, increases, and renews the life of grace recived at Baptism in us. I know my life would not be as enjoyable as it is without it. I actually admit, I feel quite weak when I have been away from the Eucharist for so long as a week. I get much spiritual nourishment and strenght from daily mass where I daily partake in the Eucharist.

Carrying over from the other thread, I have this to say:
If Baptism is not required for salvation...then why does Jesus send his desciples out to Baptise all nations in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit?

So the disciples could identify themselves publicly with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ. Nowhere in scripture does it say one receives grace through baptism. You have now confessed you believe in a works gospel. The Lord's supper is nothing more than a remembrance of Christ's suffering and death. There is no grace passed along through it either. Your own words have condemned you.

 

[roaringkitten]

". . . Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." Corinthians 1:17

water baptism is not even part of the gospel! It does not save you! The catholic church deceives many people to hellfire for teaching this!

 

[Baptistrw]

". . . Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect." Corinthians 1:17

Exactly. Baptism is not apart of the gospel.

 

[roaringkitten]

Again, the reason why I expose catholicism! They are teaching a works gospel which will lead multitudes to hell! Sad.....


“I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed” Galatians 1:6-9

The gospel is ALL about Christ! Obedience to Christ is FRUIT of genuine faith, works will not save you!

 

[roaringkitten]

It was right for me to expose this religion because it is false.....The catholic church is sneaky to dress up works as faith deceiving multitudes!

You can have 99% sound theology and be wrong about salvation and still end up in the lake of fire. The catholic church blatantly teaches many things completely contrary to the Word as well as a works gospel in disguise. They dress it up nicely so that other churches will unify with it(ie:ecumenism).

 

[thefightinglamb]

I also wonder if catholics really ever (truly) pray?

See I have seen the rosary done, I have heard all of their set prayers, but I have either hardly ever or never really seen or felt the Lord when they pray (not necessarily because they just usually pray prayers from some book or other, but I do believe it somewhat has to do with them focusing on the Lord being outside themselves--like the words on a page in a book, or 'the bread of the Eucharist'--it is ALWAYS outside them in physical reality somewhere else...

Even in your responses, I see that perhaps you do have knowledge of the catholic church, and even know where the answers 'of the catholic church' can be found on a multitude of issues...but do you ever just pray and ask, what is the truth? NOT what does the catholic church believe on such and such? But Lord tell me what is true. And then just wait until he enlightens your mind with the answer...and even if the true answer contradicted the catholic church, you would know it to be true because the LORD told you...

There have been 'evil popes' as well, I think to be honest you have to travel the FULL history of the catholic church and see its evils as well as the bits and pieces the catholic church still holds to to try and justify its behavior...I mean if you want to look at ALL of the catholic churches history--you have to conclude even the evil heresies of the church in the past are equally part of the catholic church today.

Also, Jesus says to go to the one you offended and seek forgiveness then return to offer your sacrifice at the altar...It is strange to force priests to hear all the sins of everyone in their church and claim they are absolved from them...Those people are still hypocrates...They are still living a double life so long as they are not going to the ones they have offended and confessing to their brothers and sisters their 'actual sins' and not some 'standard' prayer that doesn't go into specifics...

 

[MahogonySnail]

I don't think no one is going to hell for believing that water baptism saves them, so long as they trust in Christ.

 

[lifetime]

Is this how all baptists think? It's very interesting, and bizarre. There is alot of fear resounding in your preaching. And your methods betray the insecurity of your own beliefs. Otherwise there would be no need to act as if you were God Himself.

 

[Hannah_nannerie]

Amen to you..!!

 

[Baptistrw]

I don't think no one is going to hell for believing that water baptism saves them, so long as they trust in Christ.

They're not truly believing Christ will save them then which will condemn them. If you believe ''Christ and...'' you're believing a false gospel, and if one believes in a false gospel, they don't believe in the true gospel. And only one gospel saves. I think they're will be a billions in hell who believed Christ could save them but added a work to the gospel.