GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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Absolutely, and is why Jesus says;
John 8
31, Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32, And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
33, They answered him, We be Abraham's seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?
34, Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
35, And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.
36, If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
and is why Jesus says to those that have faith to LOVE
John 14
15, If ye love me, keep my commandments.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
I'd be happy to.
The levitical law would be considered, at the very least, a jot or a tittle of the law.
And that has fallen from the law. No more levitical priests...
Hebrews 7:12 [FONT="]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.[/FONT]
This is explained in the verses that come directly afterward;
Revelation 21:2-8
[FONT="]2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.[/FONT]
[FONT="]3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.[/FONT]
[FONT="]4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.[/FONT]
[FONT="]5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.[/FONT]
[FONT="]6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.[/FONT]
[FONT="]7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.[/FONT]
[FONT="]8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.[/FONT]
This is prophecy and I'm not real good with prophecy.
Not sure who the ten kings would be or any of the rest.
I suppose if you think the scriptures that I have posted about rest and being dead to the law are open for interpretation then prophecy is open for Super Interpretation...
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 9:28, “So also the Messiah, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, (Isa 53:12) shall appear a second time, apart from sin, to those waiting for Him, unto Salvation.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 17:14, “Heal me, O [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], so that I am healed. Save me, so that I am saved, for You are my praise.”[/FONT]
aint it weird how most adventists are twigs? its cause they dont eat meat.
the devil has actually convinced some of these folks that eating meat is bad. its a doctrine of demons according to the bible. u wanna talk about traditions lets talk about that?
my biceps are bigger than the legs of some of these guys. and the arrogance is unreal. they call me worldly for lifting weights yet what are they doing for the Lord? nothing. do u think them saints in the old testament were some pacifist vegetarians?
some of the guys gather around sharing pamplets on the streets about the sabbath. sabbath this sabbath that. yet they leave out the gospel? what i call that is a waste of time. aint nobody getting saved. they are just trying to steal sheep from existing churches. trying to deceive the already christian folks.
flee from this cult while u can. look out for folks who are deceptively nice all the time. mormons adventists and jehovah's falsewitnesses are all masters at this. they are very friendly and openminded until they reel u in to their cult. and thats when the pharisee attitude starts coming out. its of the devil for sure.
the devil has actually convinced some of these folks that eating meat is bad. its a doctrine of demons according to the bible. u wanna talk about traditions lets talk about that?
my biceps are bigger than the legs of some of these guys. and the arrogance is unreal. they call me worldly for lifting weights yet what are they doing for the Lord? nothing. do u think them saints in the old testament were some pacifist vegetarians?
some of the guys gather around sharing pamplets on the streets about the sabbath. sabbath this sabbath that. yet they leave out the gospel? what i call that is a waste of time. aint nobody getting saved. they are just trying to steal sheep from existing churches. trying to deceive the already christian folks.
flee from this cult while u can. look out for folks who are deceptively nice all the time. mormons adventists and jehovah's falsewitnesses are all masters at this. they are very friendly and openminded until they reel u in to their cult. and thats when the pharisee attitude starts coming out. its of the devil for sure.
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Well that is not true God's Word says............
Exodus 20
8, Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9, Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10, But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11, <WHY?> For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
If everyday was a Holy day no one would be able to do any work... The 7th Day Sabbath is a memorial of creation and that we worship the creator and only true God of creation.
God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) and like any of the ten, if we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
There is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says God's 4th commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to worship God on Sunday in it's place.
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
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Now Snoozy, is this the fruit of the Spirit you follow? Love is a fruit. You continue to quote yourself over the Word of God and we are to believe you over the word of God why? You talk about deception but how can you know what deception is when you do not know God's Word? Something to think and pray about I guess.
i just gave u a bunch of scripture in my earlier post refuting ur "sabbath keeping" since u dont actually keep it just pretend that u do.
u just skip right over it or reinterpret and turn around and say we dont give u no scripture.
then u just post a load of scripture here and there without rightly dividing it and its a soup of doctrines.
Well Snoozy, now none of that is true at all is it? Please show us how you have refuted anything said here and let God's Word be the judge. Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE HIM who LOVES all.
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Hebrew 7 is of course speaking to the Levitical Priesthood. You posting it as support of your preaching against God's Commandments is dishonest.
And you make no sense. If God's Commandments don't make us perfect, then why was Jesus considered perfect for following them?
If God's Commandments don't make us perfect, then why does He write them on our hearts?
In Matthew 5 you cleverly omit scriptures that shed light on the meaning of Christ's Words just like you left out the important Biblical fact that Hebrews 7 is talking about the Levitical Priesthood, not God's 10 Commandments.
Matt. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
He is speaking about the mainstream preachers of His time and before.
21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment.
I hear you guys always trying to defend your traditions by saying "See, Jesus changed God's Laws". But the Book you preach "Won't get us there" teaches something different.
Lev. 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
I can go down the list you posted from Matt. 5 and show where Jesus, before becoming a man, taught all these things in the Old Testament. But the mainstream preachers of the Old Testament were not teaching these truths. That is why God sent them Prophets, which they rejected and killed.
Truly when He says "But I SAY" He is speaking to His Word in the Law and Prophets.
Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
In other words,
"You have heard it said by those of old time we must pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin, but I say, you should ALSO follow God's Law where mercy, judgment and Faith are concerned.
We are to have have Faith in this Jesus.
2 Tim.14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; From God's Word, or from Man's word?
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
What was the only scriptures available to these people, certainly as children?
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
It is a self deception to declare Faith in the Jesus of the Bible and reject His Words(the Book you preach won't get us there) and instructions He said He created for man.
Thank you for taking the time to reply, I do appreacite it. However how do you reconcile Yahshua/Jesus saying nothing would pass from the Law then you said something passed? The verse you quoted from hebrews is a "metathesis" or "transformation" the priesthood still stands, but it is no longer Levites, but Yahshua after the order of the messenger of righteousness (Malakzadiq)
Hebrews 7:13, “For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the Altar. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood.”
Hebrews 7:11-12, "Now if perfection had been attainable through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need would there have been for another priest to arise after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one named after the order of Aaron? For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law."
Strong's Concordance “changed” is word #G3331 - metathesis: a change, removal, Original Word: μετάθεσις, εως, ἡ, Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine, Transliteration: metathesis, Phonetic Spelling: (met-ath'-es-is), Short Definition: change, transformation, removal, Definition: (a) change, transformation, (b) removal.
Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) transfer: from one place to another 2) to change 2a) of things instituted or established
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)
From G3346; transposition, that is, transferral (to heaven), disestablishment (of a law):—change, removing, translation.
Strong's Concordance “change” is word #3346 - metatithemi: I transfer, desert, change, Original Word: μετατίθημι, Part of Speech: Verb, Transliteration: metatithemi, Phonetic Spelling: (met-at-ith'-ay-mee), Short Definition: I transfer, desert, change, Definition: (a) I transfer, mid: I go over to another party, desert, (b) I change.
So when Yahshua says:
Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away."
I beleive it, the priesthood has transfered, the Laws are still there.
and I would says that the verse in Daniyl 7 is very important because it is end times an it talks about deception against the saints, so an important one for sure... If we look at the original language we wee the 1st word "time" is talking avout the appointed times of YHWH, if they were to be rightfully changed or done away, why would this prophecy be?
Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time."
“times” is word #H2166 – zeman, Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) a set time, time, season
Daniyl Chapter 2-7 is written in Aramaic, not Hebrew. The Israylites were taken captive to Babylon and made to forget their ways under the rule of the Bablonian king. “Zem-awn'” is an Aramaic word, and is the literal equivilent of the Hebrew word “moadim” - word #H4150 meaning: “appointed times”
"time" for , “a time and times and the dividing of time” Is a different root word from the first thus showing it conveys a different meaning.
“a time and times and the dividing of time” is word #H5732 – iddan, Strong's Concordance - iddan: time, Original Word: עִדָּן, Part of Speech: Noun Masculine, Transliteration: iddan, Phonetic Spelling: (id-dawn'), Short Definition: time
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do u make everyone in ur city borders not work on sabbath? no.
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
do u guys sacrifice two lambs (numbers 28:10)? no.
Num 28:10 This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.
do u guys make fire(exodus 35:3) ? yes. if u live in a cold country do u turn off the heat for sabbath? no. do u stone people who dont keep the sabbath in ur city? no.
Exo 35:2 Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day there shall be to you an holy day, a sabbath of rest to the LORD: whosoever doeth work therein shall be put to death.
Exo 35:3 Ye shall kindle no fire throughout your habitations upon the sabbath day.
so u guys are just acting like u keep the sabbath while u dont. just like the pharisees in Jesus' time. this is a prime example of how important it is to rightly divide the word of truth or u will be mixed up in all kinds of false doctrines.
have that seat
Seems that according to your interpretation...and I could be wrong...you said earlier we were to obey the ten commandments and not sin...which is IMPOSSIBLE save but one. One perfect Jesus. So, a statement to try to keep every day Holy and sin free, seemed like something you would agree with? Perhaps you don't see how your statements about old law confuses people just learning to divide the Word....imo...
And just so I'm not misunderstood...yes we should try to obey the old law because sin is not good for us! But Jesus' blood is a promise of eternal life whether you sin or not as long as you believe!
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God knew there would be confusion of His truth. So, praise the Lord people that Jesus paid for our sin and stupidity on this side of the cross when we confuse things from the other side of the cross! Just believe and accept Jesus, do your best in everything for Him and you'll be alright! God's already got this! AMEN! Can anyone argue that?
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This Law was changed how?
Heb.7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Jesus wasn't from the tribe of Levi to which God gave the Priesthood, He was from the tribe of Judah, as was David, as prophesied.
The Priesthood is still alive and well and is being obeyed in it's Spiritual intent by Jesus interceding for us in heaven as it is to this day.
We are still offering spiritual sacrifices to the High Priest as Commanded.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
So do you see GP, The Priesthood didn't go away, it was changed just like Jer. 31:33,34, among others, prophesied.
This was all foretold by the Law and Prophets, so it wasn't the abolition of the Priesthood, but the fulfillment of the Scriptures regarding it.
We are still walking the same planet as Jesus walked. These Rev. scriptures do not make void any part of the Bible. I can not use them to beat up or destroy any of God's Word.
This is pretty easy to grasp. Read God's Commandments, then look at the world and see what Laws and times they have changed. Are there any? We both know that there are. Now what?
I mean what if I belong to a church that I find is one who changed God's Commandments and Laws as Daniel prophesied?
Well that is the question isn't it. Jesus presented The mainstream preachers of His time with the same dilemma.
It wasn't received very well. It won't be received very well today either.
This Law was changed how?
Heb.7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Jesus wasn't from the tribe of Levi to which God gave the Priesthood, He was from the tribe of Judah, as was David, as prophesied.
The Priesthood is still alive and well and is being obeyed in it's Spiritual intent by Jesus interceding for us in heaven as it is to this day.
We are still offering spiritual sacrifices to the High Priest as Commanded.
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
So do you see GP, The Priesthood didn't go away, it was changed just like Jer. 31:33,34, among others, prophesied.
This was all foretold by the Law and Prophets, so it wasn't the abolition of the Priesthood, but the fulfillment of the Scriptures regarding it.
We are still walking the same planet as Jesus walked. These Rev. scriptures do not make void any part of the Bible. I can not use them to beat up or destroy any of God's Word.
This is pretty easy to grasp. Read God's Commandments, then look at the world and see what Laws and times they have changed. Are there any? We both know that there are. Now what?
I mean what if I belong to a church that I find is one who changed God's Commandments and Laws as Daniel prophesied?
Well that is the question isn't it. Jesus presented The mainstream preachers of His time with the same dilemma.
It wasn't received very well. It won't be received very well today either.
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There's the caveat "until all is fulfilled".
So if you can readily see that some of the jots and tittles have in fact fallen from the law then it stands to reason that the Lord Jesus Christ was not lying and ALL is Fulfilled. WHICH He said He would do.
In order for the Levitical Law to be transferred or whatever way you want to say it, some of the jots and tittles must have fallen from the law. There are no more levites sacrificing animals that I know of.
But it was in the law that the levites would be the priests of the people.
So if you can see some of the small things have been fulfilled maybe you can start to see the big things were fulfilled too.
Matthew 5:17 [FONT="]Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[/FONT]John 19:31 [FONT="]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.[/FONT]
The prophesy about his death and resurrection is fulfilled, but the prophesy of his 2nd coming has not happened yet, neither has the Millennial rest, or the great Throne judgment, as prophesied in the Same Law and Prophets which prophesied about the change in the Priesthood and the death and resurrection of Christ.
So yes, Jesus did finish some of the prophesy, and He stated that His Law would be here until all is fulfilled.
But the preaching that all has been fulfilled can not be true can it? Because it is not accurate that preach that all the prophesy regarding Jesus has come to pass because it obviously had not.
Human reasoning my dear, human reasoning that sounds good ...but is not what God says. If we are just going to do what we consider right and good WHY would we need to listen to GOD or be instructed by Him ?
notice nobody has stepped up to the plate to deal with these facts.
ring the bell.
And snoozy goes for the knockout lol