Not By Works
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So if Paul sins, we can too?
Your misinterpretation of Paul's remarks serves only those who hate God. (Matt 6:24)
There is a way out of rebellion against God.
It starts with a true "turn from" sin.
Then baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins.
At baptism we are also taking part in Jesus' death, burial, and resurrected with Him to walk in newness of life.
With the old man killed, and having been reborn of Godly seed, we can spend the rest of our lives rejoicing in the Spirit, as we walk in the Spirit instead of in the flesh.
Yet you deny God by breaking the commandments of God to follow the traditions and teachings of man that break the commandments of God? Jesus says If we knowingly follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9). Sunday worship is a teaching and tradition of man that breaks the commandments of God. Faith that works by love is indeed the victory that overcomes the world (Eph 2:8; Romans 13:8-10). However if our faith does not have the fruit of obedience we are still in our sins.
Who should we believe God or man? Who should we follow the word of God or the traditions of men?
Do you have any confirming verses?
It wasn't a question I had ever remarked on before, so may make a good new thread.
I will, however, stand by my POV.
We'll probably conclude that both are gifts from God.
I would be lying, if I still walked in darkness/sin.
It is those who walk in darkness that cannot say they have no sin.
But, thanks be to God, I am walking in the light-God, and have had ALL my past sins washed away by the blood of Christ.
My flesh has been crucified with Christ and I am now reborn of God.
God doesn't need to lie.
I’m not offended.. I wanted to know why you spoke that in regard to my post..
It is your belief that you will receive rewards in heaven for any good deeds you do?.. like you are secured a place regardless but extra rewards for your good deeds?
Who is "we"?
Are you the "we" that walks in darkness and can't say you have no sin?
Or are you the "we" that walks in light and has had ALL their past sins washed away by the blood of Christ?
Must be the "darkness" crowd, as you admit to falling.
It is written..."Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:" (2 Peter 1:10)
I exhort you to examine what exactly is your calling.
I have never seen a verse that prohibits/commands against Sunday worship. Please provide them so we can verify what you say. There are those that tell us to rejoice and give praise continually, which would by necessity include Sundays. You need not show us those
Could we not say the reverse though?
Unbeleif manifests sin.
Romans 14:23
23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.
I know Paul is talking about food sacrificed to idols.
The main point is about the weaker brother.
But I think we need to be careful as to identify what sin is outside of the norm and fully known.
A simple example is alcohol.
Some consider it a sin to drink alcohol others do not.
Now If a beliver doesn’t drink because they consider it a sin but knows of another beleiver who likes a glass of wine then that person is committing a sin.
I was once told after a serious knee ligament injury that halted my professional football career that God did this to me because I played football on a Sunday morning.
Now I actually went to the evening service out the person who told me the above I never ever saw at an evening service.
So playing football on a Sunday morning was a sin for which God punished me for.
So we need to careful.
If one identifies something like have a alcoholic beverage as sinful and tells someone that having an alcoholic beverage is a sin.
Firstly we condemn then as sinners and judge them accordingly. And as you say they were never saved to begin with, which is effectively calling them the children of the devil.
Secondly That is taking the place of Jesus who makes that ultimate call based on what sin is, whether it be sins of commission and sins of omission, the sins of omission used to separate the sheeps and the goats.
James 2
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
8If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well: 9But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors. 10For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty. 13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.
I found this one. It’s a Facebook link.
The second link I posted which PJW said he would not open after opening my first one (which was incorrect)
PJW told to me stop searching as there was not link on the web to his church.
So not sure if it his church but he hasn’t refuted it.
There is no sin "in Christ".
BTW, it is written..."He that sayeth that he abideth in Him aught himself also so to walk, even as He walked." (1 John 2:6)
This is also written..."For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren," (Heb 2:11)
To walk as Jesus walked is a testimony of the grace of God on earth now.
But not obedience to God?
They are of no use in a doctrine where sin is tolerated and abetted.