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I don't agree a bit.
Our way of life is always our choice.
Please supply the verses that led you to this conclusion----or start a thread on it.
What do you mean "positional"?
Either you are a sinner or you aren't.
As our whole "being" is a new creature, how can our mind be unfruitful?
It is driving our whole "self".
Your hands can't give without the mind controlling them.
That sounds very suspicious.
Whose doctrine is that, so I can research it?
Our way of life is always our choice.
Please supply the verses that led you to this conclusion----or start a thread on it.
What do you mean "positional"?
Either you are a sinner or you aren't.
As our whole "being" is a new creature, how can our mind be unfruitful?
It is driving our whole "self".
Your hands can't give without the mind controlling them.
That sounds very suspicious.
Whose doctrine is that, so I can research it?
You do not understand BORN AGAIN do you PJW? IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS TO THE MORTAL BODY, BUT RATHER IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS TO THE HUMAN SPIRIT.
John 3:1-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] There was a man from the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This man came to Him at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one could perform these signs You do unless God were with him.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
John 3:1-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] There was a man from the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] This man came to Him at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one could perform these signs You do unless God were with him.”
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
The first few verses of Ro 7 clearly show that it is speaking of a former time. Verse 5..."For when we WERE in the flesh..."
The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Ro 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.
The entire middle of Ro 7 is about Paul's former life as a Pharisee; trying to live the Mosaic Law, but failing. And again, a reference to the past in verse 18; (that is, in my flesh).
And the end, especially verse 23; "But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to THE LAW OF SIN which is in my members."...points again to a former time. Because....
we read in Romans 8:2...."For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from THE LAW OF SIN and death.
Why would Paul be subject to something he is free of?
If you could see the truth of Ro 7, and its proximity to Ro 6, which speaks of baptism and the death of the flesh, you would see that Paul is making the past-present transition, and Ro 8 continues on into the life walked in the Spirit.
Why then, prior to rebirth, is our "mortal body" crucified and buried with Christ before being raised with Christ to walk in newness of life?
I was completely reborn.
I'm now a new creature.
Gal 5:24 also speaks to this fact..."[FONT="]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
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I was completely reborn.
I'm now a new creature.
Gal 5:24 also speaks to this fact..."[FONT="]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
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