Not By Works
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In reading the poster who says we don't sin after we receive the Spirit, some things Bruce used to say came almost to my understanding them...its murky, but they fell into place.
At the same time, a verse was brought to my remembrance, the one that says the word of God is so powerful that it divides or separates apart, the spirit and the soul.
I think this splitting apart has something to do with how God can reside in me even though my flesh will never stop wanting the awful things it wants, like angry pride when it isn't "respected."
At the same time, a verse was brought to my remembrance, the one that says the word of God is so powerful that it divides or separates apart, the spirit and the soul.
I think this splitting apart has something to do with how God can reside in me even though my flesh will never stop wanting the awful things it wants, like angry pride when it isn't "respected."
And may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith
a prim. preposition denoting position and by impl. instrumentality
We are positionally placed into Christ and his righteousness which is IMPUTED by FAITH....This results in our justification (rendered innocent even though guilty) and positionally sanctifies us eternally in Christ.
The security of the believer......
And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
kataponeó: to wear down
Original Word: καταπονέωPart of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: kataponeó
Phonetic Spelling: (kat-ap-on-eh'-o)
Short Definition: I ill-treat
Definition: I exhaust by labor or suffering, wear out, overpower, oppress.
It's sort of like when we learned about space rockets in school. They send one up and it climbs and then a part of it becomes useless and the weight needs to be dropped because it has become useless and hindering waste and it separates from the rocket and falls back to the ground.
But there are some moments where it is no longer of any use but is still attached to the rocket.
It seems that is where we are. Still carrying that section but not at the moment where it drops off yet...
But there are some moments where it is no longer of any use but is still attached to the rocket.
It seems that is where we are. Still carrying that section but not at the moment where it drops off yet...
AMEN......JESUS said it best....The SPIRIT is indeed willing, born again, born of incorruptible seed, eternal, without sin, hooly, righteous, sinless.........The flesh is weak, dead, sinful, contrary, does not seek to do right, lustful, fails daily
The battle ground is the mind.....The spirit and the flesh war one with another and if the mind is transformed by the renewing of the mind (study of the word) the less we sin and more holy we walk.....the flip side of the coin is also true....the less we study, the more worldly we will be and more we will fail.
One thing is sure.....our salvation is secure in Christ.....after that the above will determine our works...either gold, silver and precious stones or wood hay and stubble....both equally saved, redeemed, justified, sealed, sanctified in Christ and saved eternally.
But DCon,
The BIBLE says both Abel and Cain offered "Works" to God. One's "Work" was accepted, and one's "Work" was not. Do you deny this?
By doing so they both claimed belief in God. Isn't Cain's offering the same as those who said "Lord, Lord in Matt. 7:22? And isn't Abel's offering the same as Abraham's in Gen. 26:5?
Given you disagree with Hiz, may I ask what part of his post you disagree with?
The BIBLE says both Abel and Cain offered "Works" to God. One's "Work" was accepted, and one's "Work" was not. Do you deny this?
By doing so they both claimed belief in God. Isn't Cain's offering the same as those who said "Lord, Lord in Matt. 7:22? And isn't Abel's offering the same as Abraham's in Gen. 26:5?
Given you disagree with Hiz, may I ask what part of his post you disagree with?
Jude 1:10-16, “But these blaspheme that which they do not know. And that which they know naturally, like unreasoning beasts, in these they corrupt themselves. Woe to them! Because they have gone in the way of Qayin, and gave themselves to the delusion of Bil‛am for a reward, and perished in the rebellion of Qoraḥ. (Judges 1:7-11, 2 Peter 2:6-15) These are rocky reefs in your love feasts, feasting with you, feeding themselves without fear, water-less clouds borne about by the winds, late autumn trees without fruit, twice dead, pulled up by the roots, wild waves of the sea foaming up their own shame, straying stars for whom blackness of darkness is kept forever. And Ḥanoḵ, the seventh from Aḏam, also prophesied of these, saying, “See, יהוה comes with His myriads of set-apart ones, to execute judgment on all, to punish all who are wicked among them concerning all their wicked works which they have committed in a wicked way, and concerning all the harsh words which wicked sinners have spoken against Him. These are grumblers, complainers, who walk according to their own lusts, and their mouth speaks proudly, admiring faces of others for the sake of gain.”
Judges 1:7-11, “Even as Seḏom and Amorah and the cities around them in a similar way to these, having given themselves over to whoring and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, undergoing judicial punishment of everlasting fire. In the same way, indeed, these dreamers defile the flesh, and reject authority, and speak evil of esteemed ones. But Miḵa’ĕl the chief messenger, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Mosheh, presumed not to bring against him a blasphemous accusation, but said, “יהוה rebuke you! But these blaspheme that which they do not know. And that which they know naturally, like unreasoning beasts, in these they corrupt themselves Woe to them! Because they have gone in the way of Qayin, and gave themselves to the delusion of Bil‛am for a reward, and perished in the rebellion of Qoraḥ.”
2 Peter 2:6-15, "and having reduced to ashes the cities of Seḏom and Amorah condemned them to destruction – having made them an example to those who afterward would live wickedly, and rescued righteous Lot, who was oppressed with the indecent behaviour of the lawless, (for day after day that righteous man, dwelling among them, tortured his righteous being by seeing and hearing their lawless works), then יהוה knows how to rescue the reverent ones from trial and to keep the unrighteous unto the day of judgment, to be punished, and most of all those walking after the flesh in filthy lust and despising authority – bold, headstrong, speaking evil of esteemed ones, whereas messengers who are greater in strength and power do not bring a slanderous accusation against them before the Master. But these, like natural unreasoning beasts, having been born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheme that which they do not know, shall be destroyed in their destruction, being about to receive the wages of unrighteousness, deeming indulgence in the day of pleasure, spots and blemishes, revelling in their own deceptions while they feast with you, having eyes filled with an adulteress, and unable to cease from sin, enticing unstable beings, having a heart trained in greed, children of a curse, having left the right way they went astray, having followed the way of Bil‛am the son of Be‛or, who loved the wages of unrighteousness.”
Judges 1:7-11, “Even as Seḏom and Amorah and the cities around them in a similar way to these, having given themselves over to whoring and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, undergoing judicial punishment of everlasting fire. In the same way, indeed, these dreamers defile the flesh, and reject authority, and speak evil of esteemed ones. But Miḵa’ĕl the chief messenger, in contending with the devil, when he disputed about the body of Mosheh, presumed not to bring against him a blasphemous accusation, but said, “יהוה rebuke you! But these blaspheme that which they do not know. And that which they know naturally, like unreasoning beasts, in these they corrupt themselves Woe to them! Because they have gone in the way of Qayin, and gave themselves to the delusion of Bil‛am for a reward, and perished in the rebellion of Qoraḥ.”
2 Peter 2:6-15, "and having reduced to ashes the cities of Seḏom and Amorah condemned them to destruction – having made them an example to those who afterward would live wickedly, and rescued righteous Lot, who was oppressed with the indecent behaviour of the lawless, (for day after day that righteous man, dwelling among them, tortured his righteous being by seeing and hearing their lawless works), then יהוה knows how to rescue the reverent ones from trial and to keep the unrighteous unto the day of judgment, to be punished, and most of all those walking after the flesh in filthy lust and despising authority – bold, headstrong, speaking evil of esteemed ones, whereas messengers who are greater in strength and power do not bring a slanderous accusation against them before the Master. But these, like natural unreasoning beasts, having been born to be caught and destroyed, blaspheme that which they do not know, shall be destroyed in their destruction, being about to receive the wages of unrighteousness, deeming indulgence in the day of pleasure, spots and blemishes, revelling in their own deceptions while they feast with you, having eyes filled with an adulteress, and unable to cease from sin, enticing unstable beings, having a heart trained in greed, children of a curse, having left the right way they went astray, having followed the way of Bil‛am the son of Be‛or, who loved the wages of unrighteousness.”
How long are you going to argue with scriptures? Only proves who you really are.
John 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.
John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
John 3:34 For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit.
John 8:47 He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
Did I say I disagreed?
One had faith the other did not....one was saved and one was not and the points are clear bro.....at the end of the day false teachers are identified with CAIN who is first on the list in JUDE....a LOST man that offered works void of faith............the cart before the ox syndrome....
One had faith the other did not....one was saved and one was not and the points are clear bro.....at the end of the day false teachers are identified with CAIN who is first on the list in JUDE....a LOST man that offered works void of faith............the cart before the ox syndrome....