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Nice dogma.....saved lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost
NO HOPE and or assurance in you post which makes ZERO SENSE......
I have seen you admit that you sin.....so.....how many times have you been saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost by your own dogma ???
Or are you like your buddy who liked you post and never sin.....even though the bible makes it clear that ALL fail and sin in some form or fashion, on occasion and NO ONE is above it.
You should trust JESUS....he is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world and his righteousness is imputed by faith!
NO HOPE and or assurance in you post which makes ZERO SENSE......
I have seen you admit that you sin.....so.....how many times have you been saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost, saved, lost by your own dogma ???
Or are you like your buddy who liked you post and never sin.....even though the bible makes it clear that ALL fail and sin in some form or fashion, on occasion and NO ONE is above it.
You should trust JESUS....he is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world and his righteousness is imputed by faith!
More "lackofunderstandingitis"
What really happened...let's see......
a. They believed and struck the blood = faith = deliverance from Egypt <--sin and the bondage of sin
b. Had the picture of immersion (RED SEA)
c. The LAW (MOSES) took them right to the land of REST
d. THEY failed (under the law one sin make guilty of the whole) were not ALLOWED to enter the rest afforded believers in this life
e. Wandered as a new generation was raised up
f. Delivered by Joshua (savior) into the land of rest
get your story straight......what happened to them was not indicative of losing their salvation and GOD led them in the wilderness the whole 40 years, his presence was known, he gave them a form of worship, the law they would need to govern which also proved their guilt and need of the coming messiah, did not leave them without leadership and instruction and was with them the whole way!
What really happened...let's see......
a. They believed and struck the blood = faith = deliverance from Egypt <--sin and the bondage of sin
b. Had the picture of immersion (RED SEA)
c. The LAW (MOSES) took them right to the land of REST
d. THEY failed (under the law one sin make guilty of the whole) were not ALLOWED to enter the rest afforded believers in this life
e. Wandered as a new generation was raised up
f. Delivered by Joshua (savior) into the land of rest
get your story straight......what happened to them was not indicative of losing their salvation and GOD led them in the wilderness the whole 40 years, his presence was known, he gave them a form of worship, the law they would need to govern which also proved their guilt and need of the coming messiah, did not leave them without leadership and instruction and was with them the whole way!
Nothing more than a sinless, works for false dogma in this post ^^^^^^^
Actually, your salvation will be determined by your belief or lack thereof concerning JESUS, not by your works which can be wood, hay and stubble yet one is still saved......
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. YOUR deceit above is not found in this verse....NO DEEDS mentioned....but faith is.....
Actually, your salvation will be determined by your belief or lack thereof concerning JESUS, not by your works which can be wood, hay and stubble yet one is still saved......
It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. YOUR deceit above is not found in this verse....NO DEEDS mentioned....but faith is.....
With the expectations some have, we should throw out a lot of the books of the bible, and many of the OT saints were not saved. Lot was considered righteous, but I dont think what he offered to do in Sodom was good at all, id deem that horrible and neglect of one's family.
But the bible calls him righteous, maybe because....... he had faith?
But the bible calls him righteous, maybe because....... he had faith?
Go study the dark ages and then answer that.....regardless...they were found in iniquity because they, like you, pushed and believed a works café blend dogma. And the bible is clear....works, do not save and or help one maintain salvation which is a one off event with present continuing results based upon faith.
Nice verse.....applied ignorantly and out of context.....not to mention an attack, deceitful and a misrepresentation.....
I have consistently pointed 100% to CHRIST, his work, his ministry, his grace, his mercy, his righteousness, his justification, his salvation, his mediatorship on our behalf.
And your post proves you are just like a few others who can do nothing but attack those who post truth and point to consistently to JESUS.......
I have consistently pointed 100% to CHRIST, his work, his ministry, his grace, his mercy, his righteousness, his justification, his salvation, his mediatorship on our behalf.
And your post proves you are just like a few others who can do nothing but attack those who post truth and point to consistently to JESUS.......
Sure it is possible.....love and truth go hand in hand and two cannot walk together unless agreed.
What you have at the core here...are diametrically opposing dogmas........and when it comes to the root (salvation) there is only one truth......yea when it comes to the bible there is only one truth concerning everything......and make NO MISTAKE.....being a brother or sister in Christ to anyone and between anyone is based upon the root (SALVATION) and being born from above..................
Why did Cain kill ABEL...................
ABEL makes the 11th chapter of HEBREWS because HE HAD FAITH and POINTED to CHRIST dia the BLOOD OFFERING
CAIN was of the DEVIL, and makes JUDE as a false teacher because HE OFFERED HIS WORKS void of FAITH.
Let that sink in!
What you have at the core here...are diametrically opposing dogmas........and when it comes to the root (salvation) there is only one truth......yea when it comes to the bible there is only one truth concerning everything......and make NO MISTAKE.....being a brother or sister in Christ to anyone and between anyone is based upon the root (SALVATION) and being born from above..................
Why did Cain kill ABEL...................
ABEL makes the 11th chapter of HEBREWS because HE HAD FAITH and POINTED to CHRIST dia the BLOOD OFFERING
CAIN was of the DEVIL, and makes JUDE as a false teacher because HE OFFERED HIS WORKS void of FAITH.
Let that sink in!
oh, this is an easy one. Free from being religious. You know why it's so easy for man to be religious at heart? I will answer. Because it's the natural state of all mankind. We are created to worship God. But, being cut off from His Presence, man has to find something to fill that place.
Anywho...men will worship football. Women? Men.
Do you have joy ever bubble up in you?
Anywho...men will worship football. Women? Men.
Do you have joy ever bubble up in you?
Why did Yah accept Able's offering and not Cain's? I believe it is because when one have sincere faith they will serve as Yah wants, rather than serving Yah as they want;
Genesis 4 WEB
“1, The man knew Eve his wife. She conceived, and gave birth to Cain, and said, “I have gotten a man with Yahweh’s help.
2, "Again she gave birth, to Cain’s brother Abel. Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3, "As time passed, it happened that Cain brought an offering to Yahweh from the fruit of the ground.
4, "Abel also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat. Yahweh respected Abel and his offering,
5, "but he didn’t respect Cain and his offering. Cain was very angry, and the expression on his face fell.
6, "Yahweh said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why has the expression of your face fallen?
7, "If you do well, will it not be lifted up? If you don’t do well, sin crouches at the door. Its desire is for you, but you are to rule over it.”
They both did works, and one's works were accepted one's works were not accepted. The heart that truly loves Yah will do as Yah says.
Genesis 4 WEB
3, "As time passed, it happened that Cain brought an offering to Yahweh from the fruit of the ground.
4, "Abel also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat. Yahweh respected Abel and his offering,
5, "but he didn’t respect Cain and his offering.
Cain offered "from the fruit of the ground"
Abel "also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat" the word also there means he brought "firstborn of his flock and of its fat" and "fruit of the ground"
Now this shows us that offering "fruit of the ground" was not in iteself wrong, so what could be the difference?
Hebrews 11:4, “By belief, Heḇel offered to Yah a greater sacrifice offering than Qayin, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, Yah witnessing of his gifts. And through it, having died, he still speaks.”
1 John 3:12, “Not as Qayin who was of the wicked one and killed his brother. And why did he kill him? Because his works were wicked but those of his brother were righteous.”
"By belief" and "works...of his brother (Abel) were righteous"
Why were they righteous? What is righteous?
Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”
Deuteronomy 6:25, "And it is righteousness for us when we guard to do all this command before יהוה our Strength, as He has commanded us.”
Psalm 119:172, “My tongue sings of Your word, For all Your commands are righteousness.”
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Did not Cain do works, yet his were not accepted, while faithfil and righteous Abel's works were...Reminds me of this...
Mat 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! Will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
“iniquity” is word # G0458 - anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459, Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law, 1a) because ignorant of it, 1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
They both offered the work of their hands, Able also offered a blood Sacrifice, which repreented Yahshua/Jesus. One did it the way Yah said one did it the way they deemed fit.
Hebrews 11, By belief they performed an action;
11:1, "And belief is the substance of what is expected, the proof of what is not seen
11:4, "By belief, Heḇel offered to Yah a greater slaughter offering than Qayin, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, Yah witnessing of his gifts. And through it, having died, he still speaks.
Genesis 4 WEB
“1, The man knew Eve his wife. She conceived, and gave birth to Cain, and said, “I have gotten a man with Yahweh’s help.
2, "Again she gave birth, to Cain’s brother Abel. Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.
3, "As time passed, it happened that Cain brought an offering to Yahweh from the fruit of the ground.
4, "Abel also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat. Yahweh respected Abel and his offering,
5, "but he didn’t respect Cain and his offering. Cain was very angry, and the expression on his face fell.
6, "Yahweh said to Cain, “Why are you angry? Why has the expression of your face fallen?
7, "If you do well, will it not be lifted up? If you don’t do well, sin crouches at the door. Its desire is for you, but you are to rule over it.”
They both did works, and one's works were accepted one's works were not accepted. The heart that truly loves Yah will do as Yah says.
Genesis 4 WEB
3, "As time passed, it happened that Cain brought an offering to Yahweh from the fruit of the ground.
4, "Abel also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat. Yahweh respected Abel and his offering,
5, "but he didn’t respect Cain and his offering.
Cain offered "from the fruit of the ground"
Abel "also brought some of the firstborn of his flock and of its fat" the word also there means he brought "firstborn of his flock and of its fat" and "fruit of the ground"
Now this shows us that offering "fruit of the ground" was not in iteself wrong, so what could be the difference?
Hebrews 11:4, “By belief, Heḇel offered to Yah a greater sacrifice offering than Qayin, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, Yah witnessing of his gifts. And through it, having died, he still speaks.”
1 John 3:12, “Not as Qayin who was of the wicked one and killed his brother. And why did he kill him? Because his works were wicked but those of his brother were righteous.”
"By belief" and "works...of his brother (Abel) were righteous"
Why were they righteous? What is righteous?
Hebrews 11:6, “But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to Yah has to believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who earnestly seek Him.”
Deuteronomy 6:25, "And it is righteousness for us when we guard to do all this command before יהוה our Strength, as He has commanded us.”
Psalm 119:172, “My tongue sings of Your word, For all Your commands are righteousness.”
Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."
1 John 5:17, "All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not unto death."
1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."
Did not Cain do works, yet his were not accepted, while faithfil and righteous Abel's works were...Reminds me of this...
Mat 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! Will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
“iniquity” is word # G0458 - anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459, Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law, 1a) because ignorant of it, 1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness
They both offered the work of their hands, Able also offered a blood Sacrifice, which repreented Yahshua/Jesus. One did it the way Yah said one did it the way they deemed fit.
One did as required the other did as they pleased. Abel offered both a blood sacrifice (Yahshua) and fruit from the ground (his own labor).
Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."
Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”
Hebrews 11, By belief they performed an action;
11:1, "And belief is the substance of what is expected, the proof of what is not seen
11:4, "By belief, Heḇel offered to Yah a greater slaughter offering than Qayin, through which he obtained witness that he was righteous, Yah witnessing of his gifts. And through it, having died, he still speaks.
I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Rejoicing in hope; patient in tribulation; continuing instant in prayer;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Rejoice with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Be of the same mind one toward another. Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the sight of all men.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12