GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?
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I like this post because it show the Sabbath being kept in different places around the World.......
No one can follow God however without the operation that only God can give to those that do not know God's love and are still in their sins. We are not saved however by the things that we do but only by faith in His precious promises that have the power of creation to save all those who believe so they can walk on water because he bids them come.
Only those that believe and follow God know him because they have the mirror that shows the way. Narrow is the way and few there be that can find it. Only those that are sick know they need a Physician and many do not know the meaning because they have lost the mirror.
If you continue in His Word you are His disciples indeed and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Fear to say we be Abrahams seed and are never in bondage to anyman. Whosever comitts sin is a servant of sin. Only those who believe God have the victory to overcome because greater is he in them then he that is in the world.
No one can follow God however without the operation that only God can give to those that do not know God's love and are still in their sins. We are not saved however by the things that we do but only by faith in His precious promises that have the power of creation to save all those who believe so they can walk on water because he bids them come.
Only those that believe and follow God know him because they have the mirror that shows the way. Narrow is the way and few there be that can find it. Only those that are sick know they need a Physician and many do not know the meaning because they have lost the mirror.
If you continue in His Word you are His disciples indeed and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. Fear to say we be Abrahams seed and are never in bondage to anyman. Whosever comitts sin is a servant of sin. Only those who believe God have the victory to overcome because greater is he in them then he that is in the world.
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Hi Lovegoforever,
We didn't have to wait long to see your legalist mindset.. Post #82
Again referring to your post 55, it all had the ring of authenticity until your legalistic mindset reared its ugly head. As pointed out!
Christians are not under law, but under grace, We do not need to keep Sabbath as the those under the Mosaic covenant did, which the 10 commandments are apart off. Following any laws or Sabbaths as a way to keep salvation or a way to salvation is legalism.. its adding to what Christ has already done.
Hi Prove all,
The Lords day has been discussed tons of time in many different Sabbatarian threads.. I think there is three on the go now!
But I want to get to something that you have said that is very disturbing!
It seems here you are trying to suggest that the Good news of Jesus Christ can be separated from His Death and resurrection.. Well infact that is exactly what you said above! Since you suggest that no one has the gospel right.
Can you explain further. what is this good news without Jesus death and resurrection?
The Lords day has been discussed tons of time in many different Sabbatarian threads.. I think there is three on the go now!
But I want to get to something that you have said that is very disturbing!
It seems here you are trying to suggest that the Good news of Jesus Christ can be separated from His Death and resurrection.. Well infact that is exactly what you said above! Since you suggest that no one has the gospel right.
Can you explain further. what is this good news without Jesus death and resurrection?
Hi Phil all I hear is your word over the Word of God. Should we believe you because you say so?
Why have you not replied to post # 55 ?
You haven't pointed anything out at all and provided no scripture in our conversation. I have asked you some questions for clarification in post # 68 regarding your accusations, but you have refused to answer the questions asked of you or do you provide any scripture.
What does it mean to you to be "Under the Law" and what have I ever said to you that makes you think we are teaching this? If you cannot prove your accusations why do you make them?
Who said we were not under Grace and if no one is saying that why do you accuse people of saying this?
Who said we are saved by anything that we do and if no one is saying that why do you accuse people of saying this?
Did you read post # 82 above yours and if you did what do you think it means?
Seems like lots of name calling and no scripture provided your end. Is this a fruit of the Spirit? Love is a fruit that only comes through faith in God's Word. If you have lost your mirror how will you find the way?
Hope you can prayerfully consider God's Word and the scriptures shared with you and seek him while he may be found. We all only have today when he calls us and tomorrow may be too late.
Why have you not replied to post # 55 ?
You haven't pointed anything out at all and provided no scripture in our conversation. I have asked you some questions for clarification in post # 68 regarding your accusations, but you have refused to answer the questions asked of you or do you provide any scripture.
What does it mean to you to be "Under the Law" and what have I ever said to you that makes you think we are teaching this? If you cannot prove your accusations why do you make them?
Who said we were not under Grace and if no one is saying that why do you accuse people of saying this?
Who said we are saved by anything that we do and if no one is saying that why do you accuse people of saying this?
Did you read post # 82 above yours and if you did what do you think it means?
Seems like lots of name calling and no scripture provided your end. Is this a fruit of the Spirit? Love is a fruit that only comes through faith in God's Word. If you have lost your mirror how will you find the way?
Hope you can prayerfully consider God's Word and the scriptures shared with you and seek him while he may be found. We all only have today when he calls us and tomorrow may be too late.
Hi loveforgod,
In Christianity, legalism is the excessive and improper use of the law (10 commandments, holiness laws, etc). This legalism can take different forms. The first is where a person attempts to keep the Law in order to attain salvation. The second is where a person keeps the law in order to maintain his salvation. The third is when a Christian judges other Christians for not keeping certain codes of conduct that he thinks need to be observed. Let’s examine each one more closely.
The first kind of legalism is where the law of God is kept in order to attain salvation. This is a heresy, a completely false doctrine. We are not able to attain salvation by our keeping the law. Rom. 3:28, "For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law. Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness.” Gal. 2:21, “I do not nullify the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.” It is simply not possible to keep the Law enough to be saved. Therefore, to try and gain salvation through one’s efforts is a false teaching. It is so bad that those who hold to it cannot be Christians since it would deny salvation by grace through faith.
The second kind of legalism is where a person tries to keep or maintain his salvation by keeping the law. This is also a false doctrine. We receive our salvation by faith (Eph. 2:8-9), not by our ability to be good because no one does good (Rom. 3:10-12). As Rom. 3:28, 4:5, and Gal. 2:21 clearly show, we are justified by faith, not by faith and works. Furthermore, there are strict warnings about attempting to keep the law in order to maintain salvation: Gal. 3:10, “For as many as are of the works of the Law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, to perform them.” And James 2:10, “For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.” So, if a person is seeking to be either saved by his works (Law) or maintain his salvation by his works (Law), then he is under obligation to keep all of it, and if he does not then, he is guilty before God. Furthermore, consider Jesus’ words in Matt. 7:22-23, “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’” Jesus condemns them because they were appealing to their salvation based on their faith and doing good. So it should be obvious that we do not keep our salvation by our efforts.
The last kind of legalism, where a Christian keeps certain laws and regards other Christians who do not keep his level of holiness with contempt, is a frequent problem in the church. Now, we want to make it clear that all Christians are to abstain from fornication, adultery, pornography, lying, stealing, etc. Christians do have a right to judge the spirituality of other Christians in these areas where the Bible clearly speaks. But, in the debatable areas, we need to be more careful, and this is where legalism is more difficult to define. Rom. 14:1-12 says that we are not to judge our brothers on debatable issues. One person may eat certain kinds of foods where another would not. One person might worship on a particular day where another might not. We are told to let each person be convinced in his own mind (Rom. 14:5). As long as our freedom does not violate the Scriptures, then everything should be okay.
https://carm.org/what-is-legalism
Thank you Phil36, but what does this mean?
Anyone who keeps God's word is legalistic?
Isn't that better than being lawless?
And God's wordless?
If thou turn away thy foot from doing thy pleasure on My holy day;
and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable;
and shalt honour Him,
not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD;
and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth,
and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father:
for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isaiah 58:13-14
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Matthew 12:8
Paul
Anyone who keeps God's word is legalistic?
Isn't that better than being lawless?
And God's wordless?
If thou turn away thy foot from doing thy pleasure on My holy day;
and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable;
and shalt honour Him,
not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD;
and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth,
and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father:
for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.
Isaiah 58:13-14
For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
Matthew 12:8
Paul
So I guess that means you do not want to respond to the questions in my posts above or the scriptures and have chosen the word of website instead of the Word of God?
Ok lets look at your website and see how they apply here marked in RED 1-3 by me......
No one here is telling you that we have salvation through keeping God's Law are they? When have you ever heard anyone here say that we are saved through keeping God's commandments? On the contrary we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God lest any man should boast. Now if no one is saying this why do you say they are?
I do not see anyone here telling anyone else that we have to keep God's Law to maintain salvation. The scripture says as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord so walk ye in Him. We walk by faith and not by sight in the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and love in the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.... So again if no one is saying that we have to maintain our salvation by keeping God's commandments why are you saying that they are saying this when they are not?
I do not see anyone judging others in contempt here do you? If no one is judging you or anyone else here in contempt why do you say they are?
Lets close here with one last question...................
If someone is professing to be a Christian living a life in known unrepentant sin, are they in a saved state before God, or an unsaved state?
May God guide you as you seek him through His Word and not the teachings and traditions of man....
No one here is telling you that we have salvation through keeping God's Law are they? When have you ever heard anyone here say that we are saved through keeping God's commandments? On the contrary we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God lest any man should boast. Now if no one is saying this why do you say they are?
I do not see anyone here telling anyone else that we have to keep God's Law to maintain salvation. The scripture says as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord so walk ye in Him. We walk by faith and not by sight in the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and love in the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.... So again if no one is saying that we have to maintain our salvation by keeping God's commandments why are you saying that they are saying this when they are not?
I do not see anyone judging others in contempt here do you? If no one is judging you or anyone else here in contempt why do you say they are?
Lets close here with one last question...................
If someone is professing to be a Christian living a life in known unrepentant sin, are they in a saved state before God, or an unsaved state?
May God guide you as you seek him through His Word and not the teachings and traditions of man....
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Hi Paul,
We obey through love, that comes by being renewed in mind and heart. Being lawless (antinomian) and legalistic are both opposites to the Gospel.
The apostle Paul answers your very exact question in Romans 6. When presenting the gospel Paul pre-empted his opponents with rhetorical questions. Just like the one you have asked.
So to stop lawlessness we do not become legalists (vice versa). I hope the article above helps in understanding some of this post #86. And the gospel dispells both Legalism and antinomianism (lawlessness).
Good question though. Romans 6.
We obey through love, that comes by being renewed in mind and heart. Being lawless (antinomian) and legalistic are both opposites to the Gospel.
The apostle Paul answers your very exact question in Romans 6. When presenting the gospel Paul pre-empted his opponents with rhetorical questions. Just like the one you have asked.
So to stop lawlessness we do not become legalists (vice versa). I hope the article above helps in understanding some of this post #86. And the gospel dispells both Legalism and antinomianism (lawlessness).
Good question though. Romans 6.
Heres what you said: So you agree that no Christian needs to keep the Sabbath? As you said -no one has to maintain their salvation by keeping God's commands. your words not mine.
So you finally agree we are not to keep the Sabbath, and you have said above -any other law/commandments to either gain or maintain salvation, your words!
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My dear friend what you are failing to see is that obedience is the fruit of faith. We are not saved by it we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God lest any man should boast. Walking in the Spirit you do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh faith brings the power and freedom to love God and keep his commandments. Love is the fulfilling of the law in those who through faith walk in the Spirit.
Let me ask the same thing in a different way...................
If someone is professing to be a Christian living a life in known unrepentant sin, are they in a saved state before God, or an unsaved state in your view?
Let me ask the same thing in a different way...................
If someone is professing to be a Christian living a life in known unrepentant sin, are they in a saved state before God, or an unsaved state in your view?
Amen to that Jesus did indeed obey the commandments, He was born under the law and was perfect to the law and bore the curse of the law..the perfect sacrifice.
He did this for all Christians.. because we could not and still cannot.. Love is the ultimate my friend. those who are in Christ are no longer under the demands and curse of the law. But free from bondage and slavery.. free to love as Christ was the greatest example of love.
When the Lord renewed your mind, He told you God's law is legalism, and opposite to the gospel?
That is the opposite to what He told me.
Both in the scriptures, and when He came in Spirit,
He told me, believe God, and keep the commandments.
Do I need to show you scriptures?
I think, only if one didn't have God's word to talk about, would they be talking about legalism.
Isn't it?
I mean, you dismiss Isaiah just like that, with the wave of hand
for some waffly thing on legalism from carm.org?
Carm on. You call that an excuse to drop the law?
The Lord's word is eternal, do you know?
Paul
That is the opposite to what He told me.
Both in the scriptures, and when He came in Spirit,
He told me, believe God, and keep the commandments.
Do I need to show you scriptures?
I think, only if one didn't have God's word to talk about, would they be talking about legalism.
Isn't it?
I mean, you dismiss Isaiah just like that, with the wave of hand
for some waffly thing on legalism from carm.org?
Carm on. You call that an excuse to drop the law?
The Lord's word is eternal, do you know?
Paul
For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king;
He will save us.
Isaiah 33:22
He will save us.
Isaiah 33:22
Hi Loveforgod,
Change of topic I see. Lets stick to what you said..
Originally Posted by LoveGodForever
You still have not answered any post and questions with all the scriptures I have sent you why do you think I agree with you?
I do not see anyone here telling anyone else that we have to keep God's Law to maintain salvation. The scripture says as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord so walk ye in Him. We walk by faith and not by sight in the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and love in the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.... So again if no one is saying that we have to maintain our salvation by keeping God's commandments why are you saying that they are saying this when they are not?
So you agree that no Christian needs to keep the Sabbath? As you said -no one has to maintain their salvation by keeping God's commands. your words not mine.
So you finally agree we are not to keep the Sabbath, and you have said above -any other law/commandments to either gain or maintain salvation, your words!
Change of topic I see. Lets stick to what you said..
You still have not answered any post and questions with all the scriptures I have sent you why do you think I agree with you?
I do not see anyone here telling anyone else that we have to keep God's Law to maintain salvation. The scripture says as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord so walk ye in Him. We walk by faith and not by sight in the Spirit so we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh and love in the fulfilling of God's Law in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit.... So again if no one is saying that we have to maintain our salvation by keeping God's commandments why are you saying that they are saying this when they are not?
So you finally agree we are not to keep the Sabbath, and you have said above -any other law/commandments to either gain or maintain salvation, your words!
Thank you, Phil36.
But I didn't find it that hard to keep His sayings.
The hardest thing was getting the sayings out, that kept blocking me from keeping His sayings.
All these "cannots", and "curse"?
God's law is a curse?
Who told you that? You obviously have never read it.
If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love;
even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love.
John 15:10
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments:
and His commandments are not grievous.
1 John 5:3
In His law, The Lord our God sets out the curses and the blessings that are before us.
I recommend Deuteronomy 28 is a good start.
Bless God
Paul
But I didn't find it that hard to keep His sayings.
The hardest thing was getting the sayings out, that kept blocking me from keeping His sayings.
All these "cannots", and "curse"?
God's law is a curse?
Who told you that? You obviously have never read it.
If ye keep My commandments, ye shall abide in My love;
even as I have kept My Father's commandments, and abide in His love.
John 15:10
For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments:
and His commandments are not grievous.
1 John 5:3
In His law, The Lord our God sets out the curses and the blessings that are before us.
I recommend Deuteronomy 28 is a good start.
Bless God
Paul