GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

followjesus · Oct 28, 2017

It is not my obedience that saves .. It is Christs. "

Hebrews 5:9 "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

where in the world did this bizarre " Jesus obeyed the Mosaic Law so i dont have to obey" come from? there is no scripture that says anything like that. the cross is meant to make chrstians repent of thier disobedience through the heart. and the Gospel is meant to fill the Mind and heart with righteousness. what you do, will determoine your destiny. how do you simply ignore or disregard things so clear as this?

romans 2:Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6Who will render to every man according to his deeds:7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God."

you seem convinced your deeds have no impact on salvation, this really is not hard to grasp. to those who seek for eternal Life in repenting and doing well, they will be rewarded, those who are contentious with that, and deny the truth, and obey unrighteousness they will receive wrath. this is not based on what Jesus did, its based on what those in the church do with what God has given us. its all about obeying Because Jesus suffered and died , we obey His word as if He is the Lord of all which He is.

its about whether or not we will believe and repent because of that belief and obey God because we do believe Him. will never change regarding Gods Word those who repent and follow Him will live, those who refuse will not. the cross didnt change God it is supposed to change a believer.

Jesus didnt come to say forget everything God said, He came to call us to remembrance of Gods Word, to call us to repentance of sin and obedience to God because it is eternal Life to repent and obey from faith, and faith will obey.

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

phil36 said:

you throw accusations around freely stop, please stop.

Romans 8:1, "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Messiah Yahshua, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."

1 John/Yahanan 2:6, "He who says he abides in Him, is himself also obligated to walk as He walked."

1 John 3:24, “And the one guarding His commands stays in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He stays in us, by the Spirit which He gave us.”

Matthew 10:22, “And you will be hated by all for my name's sake. But the one who endures to the end will be saved.”

Matt 24:12-13, “And because of the increase in lawlessness, the love of many shall become cold. But he who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.”

Hebrews 10:36, “For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of Yah you may receive what is promised.”

Hebrews 3:14, “For we have become partakers of Messiah if we hold fast the beginning of our trust firm to the end.”

James 1:12, "Blessed is the man who does endure trial, for when he has been proved, he shall receive the crown of life which the Master has promised to those who love Him."

Revelation 3:21, “To him who overcomes I shall give to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”

Revelation 12:11, “And they overcame him because of the Blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their witness, and they did not love their lives to the death."

phil36 · Oct 28, 2017

Hi Hizikyah,

I don't get your point I love those scriptures

Remember it is all about Christ and His finished work. And today is the Lords day (01:45 here). So have a blessed Lords day..

phil36 · Oct 28, 2017

followjesus said:

Hi Followjesus,

I don't know where it comes from..not from me

You did read the first part of my post you are referring to, did you not? I'll post it again:

Hizikyah · Oct 28, 2017

phil36 said:

I have no point other than what is written, and thank you for the kind words even if they were or were not meant to be tongue in cheek. may Yah bless you and guide you, sincerely.

prove-all · Oct 28, 2017

phil36 said:

please show verses that the Lords day is sunday today.
this is a man made tradation, not even in the bible.

only God can bless a day, and that was the Sabbath day, not sunday

In today’s professing Christian Western world, we hear a variety of “gospels”:
the “gospel of grace,” the “gospel of salvation,” the “social gospel.” Most of these
are messages about Christ. Others include the “science of mind” or “religious science.”

None of these is the gospel Jesus proclaimed!
The Father sent Jesus bearing a special message:
the good news of the comming Kingdom of God to earth.

Jesus sent the 12 apostles out to preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God,
long before [they even knew] about his comming death or suffering.

Johnny_B · Oct 28, 2017

Hizikyah said:

I am not chasing a rabbit trail, can you please show where Acts 15 is talking about age, culture and entering a place of worship before we move on to other question.

Paul's writings were Scripture as Peter states "And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures."[FONT=&quot][/FONT]

LoveGodForever · Oct 28, 2017

phil36 said:

Sup Phil? Cant respond to the scripture sand the questions in post # 55 ?

You say............

phil36 said:

What does legalism mean to you?

Could you please explain to me why you think post # 55 is legalism?

Now if you cannot answer my posts does this mean that your accusations are not based on any fact but that you are only resorting to name calling because you cannot answer any of the posts provided to you with scripture?

If you cannot respond to any of the posts with scripture should you not consider that you could be building your foundation on sifting sand and if your building on sand should you not at least prayerfully consider the scriptures and posts being sent to you?

Jesus says; If any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world. He that rejects me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

My prayer for you and everyone else is that we carefully and prayerfully seek to know him who loves all and is calling all who have ears to hear. God's sheep hear his voice.

Who should we believe God or man? The word of God or the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God?

May God bless you all as you seek him through his Word.

prove-all · Oct 29, 2017

Enow said:

First it is Gods Sabbaths, not the Jews, but all Israel was to keep,
also gentials or strangers followed if they wanted to stay with them.

Below is a list of some languages that indicate a seven day weekly cycle
with the seventh day as the Sabbath / Rest.

Shemitic
Hebrew Bible Yom Ha Shabbath or Day of the Sabbath
Hebrew (ancient and modern) Shabbath or Sabbath
Targum of Onkelos (Hebrew literature) Yom Shviaa or Day Seventh AND Sabbath or Sabbath
Kurdistan Jews (Targum dialect) Yoymet Shabbat Kodesh or Holy Sabbath Day
Ancient Syriac Shabbatho or Sabbath
Chaldee Syriac (Kurdistan; Urumia, Persia) Shapta or Sabbath
Samaritan (Nablas, Palestine) (use old Hebrew letters) Yoma Hasheviah or Day the Seventh AND Shabbath or Sabbath
Babylonian (Euphrates and Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia) Sabatu or Sabbath
Assyrian (Euphrates & Tigris Valleys, Mesopotamia) Sabatu or Sabbath
Arabic (very old names) Shiyar or Chief or Rejoicing Day
Arabic (ancient and modern; W. Asia, E, W & N Africa) Assabt or The Sabbath
Maltese (Malta) Issibt or Sabbath
Tigre (Abyssinia) Sanbat or Sabbath
Amharic (Abyssinia) Sanbat or Sabbath
Falasha (Jews of Abyssinia) Yini Sanbat or The Sabbat

Hamitic
Coptic (Egypt; a dead language for 300 years) Pi Sabbaton or The Sabbath
Orma or Galla (south of Abyssinia) Zambada or Sabbath
Tamashek or Towarek (ancient Libyan or Numidian) Ahal Essabt or The Sabbath Day
Kabyle or Berber (Ancient Numidian; N Africa) Ghas or Sabbath Day
Hausa (Central Africa) Aseebatu or The Sabbath

Japhetic
Sanscrit (India) Shanivar or Saturn-day
Hindi (India) Shumiwar or Saturn-day
Pali (India) Sanivaro or Saturn-day
Urdu or Hindustani (Islamic and Hindu, India) Shamba or Sabbath; And Sanichar or Saturn
Pashto or Afghan (Afghanistan) Khali or Unemployed day; And Shamba or Holiday, Sabbath
Pahlavi or Pahlavi-Pazand (Ancient Persian) Kevan or Saturn; And Shambid or Fragrance - The pleasantest day of the week; And Dies Sabbati or Sabbath
Persian (Persia; Modern Iran) Shambih or Holiday, Sabbath
Armenian (Armenia) Shapat or Sabbath
Kurdish (Kurdistan) Shamba or Sabbath
Brahuiky (Beluchistan) Awalihafta or First or Chief of the Seven; And Shambe or Sabbath

Tartaric
Mongolian (Sharra-Mongolian; Eastern Mongolia) Sanitear and Bemba or The Son of the Sun, Saturn
Kalmuk (Western Mongolia) Bembe Graku or Saturn Planet
Turkish (Osmanlian; Turkey) Yomessabt or Day the Sabbath
Lazen (Pashelik of Trebisond) Ssabatun or Sabbath

Monosyllabic
Chinese (Roman Catholic; earlier) Chanlitsi or Worship-day Seven
Mohammadan Chinese Saibitai or Sabbath
Annamite (Annam) Ngaythubay or Day in order Seven
Ancient Peguan (Pegu-Burma) T'pauh or (Day) Seven
Khassi (Cossyah Hills, East of Bengal) Ka sngi sait-jain or A day to wash clothes; Purification-day
Tibetan (Tibet) Za-pen pa or (Planet Seven)
Boutan (Little Tibet) Pen-pa or Eye of God=Saturn; AND Odsardunpa or Seventh Brilliant Star
Georgian (Caucasus) Shabati or Sabbath
Suanian (Caucasus)Ingouish (Caucasus) Sammtyn or Sabbath
Aware or Avar (Daghistan; Cis-Caucasus) Samat qo or Sabbath Day

Polynesian
Malayan (Sumatra) hari Sabtu or Day Sabbath
Javanese (Java) Saptoe (saptu) or Sabbath
Sunda (West Java) Saptu or Sabbath
Dayak (Borneo) Sabtu or Sabbath
Makssar (Southern Celebes and Salayer Islands) Sattu or Sabbath
Bugis (Celebes) Sattu or Sabbath
Malagassay (Madagascar) Alsabotsy or The Sabbath
Nuforian (NW New Guinea) Ras Fiek or Day Seven

African
Swahili (East Africa) Assabu or The Sabbath
Congo (West Africa) Satade or Saturday; AND Kiaosabulu or Sabbado: Sabbath
Isolated Languages?
Wolof (Sengambia, W Africa) Alere-asser or Last Day - Sabbath
Fulah (W Africa) Essibt or The Sabbath
Mandingo (South of Senegal, W Africa) Sibiti or Sabbath
Teda (Central Africa) Essebdu or The Sabbath
Bornu or Kanuri (Central Africa) Sibda or Sabbath
Fulfulde (Central Africa) Assebdu or Sabbath
Sonyal (Central Africa) Assebdu or Sabbath
Logone (Central Africa) Se-sibde or Sabbath
Wandals (Central Africa) Sidba or Sabbath
Bagrimma (Central Africa) Sibbedi or Sabbath
Maba (Central Africa) Sab. or Sabbath

Miscellaneous
Norman French (10th and 11th centuries) Seabedi, Samaday, Semadi or Sabbath Day
Ancient French (12 and 13th centuries) Samedi or Sabbath Day
D?oc. France (ancient and modern) Dissata, Dissate or Day Sabbath
Ecclesiastical Roman Sabatum
Parliamentary (British) Dies Sabbati
Basque (Spain and France) Larumbat or One Quarter (moon)
Finnish (Finland) Lauvantai or Corruptions of Icelandic Laugardagur
Estonian (Estonia) Lau-paaw or Bathday
Livonian (Baltic Russia) Puol-paava or Half Day
Lap (Laplanders, Norway) Lavardak or Corruption of Ice. Lang.
Morduin (Russia) Subbota, Suota or Sabbath
Tsheremissian (Russia) Kuks-keca or Dry-day (day without work)
Permian (Russia) Subota or Sabbath
Votiak (Russia)
Hungarian (Hungary) Szombat or Sabbath
Ostiac (Russia) Chotmetchatl or Sixth-day; AND Juolynchatl or Hinder end-day
Greek (Greece) (Sabbath)
Modern Greek (Greece) (Sabbath)
Latin (Italy) Sabbatum or Sabbath; AND Dies Saturni or Day of Saturn
Italian (Italy) Sabato or Sabbath
Spanish (Spain) Sabado or Sabbath
Portuguese (Portugal) Sabado or Sabbath
French (France) Samedi or Sabbath-day
Roman (Spain, Catalonia) Dissapte or Day-Sabbath
Wallachian (Romania or Wallachia) Sambata or Sabbath
Old High German (South Germany) Sambaztag or Sabbath's day
High German (Germany) Samstag or Sabbath's day
Icelandic (Iceland) Laugardagur or (of bath-day)
Swedish (Sweden) Lordag or Corruption of Icelandic Laugardagur
Danish (Denmark) Laverdag or Corruption of Icelandic Laugardagur
Old Slave (Bulgaria) Subbota or Sabbath
Russian (Russia) Subbota or Sabbath
Illyrian (Dalmatia, Serbia) Subota or Sabbath
New Slovenian (Illyrie in Austria) Sobota or Sabbath
Bulgarian (Bulgaria) Subbota or Sabbath
Polish (Poland) Sobota or Sabbath
Bohemian (Bohemia) Sobota or Sabbath
Lusatian (Saxony) Sobota or Sabbath
Polabic (borders of the Elbe) Subuta or Sabbath
Lithuanian (Lithuania) fubata or Sabbath
Prussian (Prussia; Germany) Sabatico or Sabbath
English Bible (England) The Seventh Day, The Sabbath

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can you tell us how all these languages have the 7th day as [Sabbath] ?

this could not have happened if there was no flood and no tower of Babel.
this should prove the Sabbath day was known back then. The languages
of the people changed, but they all took with them the 7th day rest [Sabbath]

Also there is NO natural weekly cycle in nature that man can follow, or from the stars.
It is from creation week, when God placed his presence in it making it holy and known.

There is no bible verse from gen. to rev. that does away with the Sabbath day.

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For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is,
and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath
to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Really not sure how people say the sabbath was done away,
when verses show in the start [and] the end time Sabbath observence.

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1 Chronicles 16:17 (KJV)
And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant,

Psalms 105:10 (KJV)
And confirmed the same unto Jacob for a law,
and to Israel for an everlasting covenant:

Psalms 78:5 (KJV)
For he established a testimony in Jacob, and appointed a law in Israel,
which he commanded our fathers, that they should make them known
to their children:

Isaiah 42:24 (KJV)
Who gave Jacob for a spoil, and Israel to the robbers? did not the Lord,
he against whom we have sinned? for they would not walk in his ways,
neither were they obedient unto his law.

Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory,
and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God,
and the promises;

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We read in the new testement

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven:

but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great
in the kingdom of heaven.

Care to explain what this verse above mean ? this verse follows where Jesus said
the law was not going away any time soon in bold red letters.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass,
one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

comingfrom · Oct 29, 2017

I have been told American Indians called Him the Great White Spirit, and must make His "ceremony".
Being an Aussie, I know Australian Aborigines must go "walkabout", to become a man, and enter the "new country" (Spirit kingdom).
And I made my first sabbaths by "finding my power spot" as Don Juan instructed to Carlos Castenada, in the Teachings of Don Juan, long before God did draw me to the Bible.

For me, finding the power spot is equivalent to finding the place where God baptizes me in His Spirit,
as He commands in Deuteronomy 12.
This, for me, is the purpose of the sabbath, to follow the Holy Ghost to that place.

When ye go over Jordan, and dwell in the land which the LORD your God gives you to inherit,
and when He gives you rest from all your enemies round about, so that ye dwell in safety;
Then there shall be a place
which the LORD your God shall choose to cause His name to dwell there;
there shall ye bring all that I command you;
your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices,
your tithes, and the heave offering of your hand,
and all your choice vows which ye vow unto the LORD:
And ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God,
ye, and your sons, and your daughters,
and your menservants, and your maidservants,
and the Levite that is within your gates;
forasmuch as He has no part nor inheritance with you.
Deuteronomy 12:10-12

In Christianity, it is called penance, isn't it?

prove-all · Oct 29, 2017

Leviticus 23: “These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations,
which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.

The 14th day is the Passover. It is the first of God’s festivals.

In the fourteenth day of the first month[Nisan] at even is the Lord’s passover”
(ver 4-5). Notice first that this is God’s Passover—not the Jews’—and the day
it is to be kept is the 14th, not the 15th.

God passed over the houses that had the blood of the lamb on their doorpost.
God also passes over (forgives) our sins when we repent of them and come
under the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Passover, sacrificed for us.

Christ Instructed Keeping Passover on the 14th

1 Corinthians 11:23. “For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered
unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread.”

Paul and God’s people at that time were to eat [the bread and drink the wine].
When? On “the same night in which he Christ was [betrayed]” (verse 23):
the beginning part, the evening of the 14th.

Christ instructed the Apostle Paul about the symbols that had been changed on that last
Passover before His crucifixion (Matthew 26:26-30; Luke 22:15-20). Paul explained to
the Corinthians that Christ was now our Passover.

Notice 1 Corinthians 5:7: “Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may
be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us.”

“And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said,

Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same
manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood:
this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me” (verses 24-25).

There can be no doubt that what Paul is talking about is the Passover Christ kept with His disciples.
Paul instructed God’s Church to keep the Passover at the same time and the same way that Christ
kept it. It was to be kept in remembrance of Christ.

Now notice the next verse which makes it very plain. “For as often as ye eat this bread,
and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord’s death till he come” (verse 26).

The night Christ was betrayed, which He plainly called the Passover, they ate the bread and drank
the wine for what? To “show the Lord’s death till he come”! Paul’s group followed that example
precisely. In the New Testament, Christ changed the symbols, not the day.

so when we read

Let no man therefore judge you in MEAT, or in DRINK,
or in respect of an HOLYDAY

We where commanded to eat the bread [MEAT] and drink the wine [DRINK]
The Passover only pictures the death of Christ for the remission of sins
that are past (Romans 3:25). Passover a Holy Convocation{ Holiday}

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In the 15th day is the feast.

“And in the first day [of the seven, 15th of Abib] there shall be an holy convocation, and in
the seventh day [21st of Abib] there shall be an holy convocation to you.

And ye shall observe the feast of unleavened bread;for in this selfsame day [the 15th Abib] have
I brought your armies out of the land of Egypt: therefore shall ye observe this day [the 15th,
not the 14th] in your generations by an ordinance for ever”(verses 16-17).

This day is a memorial, not a shadow of the cross. A memorial of deliverance
from Egypt, which pictures to us deliverance from sin!

Observe that the Days of Unleavened Bread are a period, having two high-day sabbaths.
And this period is established forever— given while the Israelites were still in Egypt.

—before one word of the ceremonial law of Moses had been given or written
before God even proposed the Old Covenant! What the law of Moses or the
Old Covenant did not bring or institute, they cannot take away!

Exodus 13:3 “And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye
came out from Egypt.” This was the 15th of Abib. Verses 6, 8-10:

“Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, and in the seventh day shall be
a feast to the [Eternal memorial)—“And it shall be for a sign”—that is, having
also a future meaning—“unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between
thine eyes”—having to do with both works and will—why?—

“that the Lord’s law may be in thy mouth …. Thou shalt therefore keep this ordinance ….”

Exodus 12:14-16 “And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to
the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.
Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread. And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation …”

What day is established as a memorial—not a shadow, a memorial—a feast—to be kept forever?
Notice, it is the day that is the feast—“[Y]e shall keep it a feast.”

It is the day that is the feast day—the 15th Abib, not the 14th—not the Passover!

A “convocation” is an assembly of the people where their presence is commanded, under power
and authority. A “holy convocation” is a religious assembly, for purposes of worship.

The weekly Sabbath is a holy convocation. So is Abib 15th. Our presence is commanded,
under God’s power and authority. The seven Days of Unleavened Bread following Passover
picture to us the complete putting away of sin, the keeping of the commandments—
after past sins are forgiven.

Notice especially, that originally there were no sacrifices— no meat and drink ordinances
held on these days. See Jeremiah 7:22-23. These days were not instituted for the purpose
of the sacrifices as some have wrongly supposed.

These holy days are memorials, and twice plainly called such. Where do we find such
plain language calling the Sabbath a memorial? (See also Leviticus 23:24.)

1 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV)
Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice
and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

In Acts 20:6: “[W]e sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread ….”
Paul and companions plainly had observed the Days of Unleavened Bread at Philippi.

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the NEW MOON

How does someone observe the new moon?
Christ commanded to keep passover and the days of unleavened bread.
The only way to do this is to follow Gods calender, not a man made one.

Psalms 104:19 (KJV)
He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.

Jesus and the apostles followed God calender[the moon] to know when was the feasts.
Care to explain why man changed time, and now there following the sun movements?

In the soon future kingdom, God will once again go by [His calender] by force.
How else would they find out when the new year started.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one
sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague,
wherewith the Lord will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Nehemiah6 · Oct 29, 2017

Hizikyah said:

While those Christians did not have the New Testament Scriptures, they had the living, breathing apostles in their midst. And while the instructions in Acts 15 were primarily for the Gentiles, the Holy Spirit -- who gave those instructions -- already saw the Church as one Body of believers -- both Jews and Gentiles -- without any distinctions whatsoever. That is the clear teaching of the New Testament. So these instructions were not only for Gentiles but for ALL CHRISTIANS.

Now you will notice in the epistles that when the apostles refer to the Law they never mention sabbath observance as being within the Law of Christ. If God the Holy Spirit did not mention sabbath observance in Acts 15, that is extremely significant, since the issue was which commandments from the Torah are applicable to Christians (not just Gentile Christians). There is no indication in the epistles that Hebrew Christians would have a different "agenda". In fact, Paul plainly said that circumcision availed nothing under the New Covenant.

So the reason that sabbath observance was not mentioned is because the Lord's Day would become the Christian sabbath -- for worship, for preaching the Gospel, for teaching the Word, for doing good works, and for rest from ordinary labor.

prove-all · Oct 29, 2017

Nehemiah6 said:

Not sure where in the bible you come up with the Lords day is sunday?

Lamentations 2:17
The Lord hath done that which he had devised; he hath fulfilled his word that he had
commanded in the days of old: he hath thrown down, and hath not pitied: and he hath
caused thine enemy to rejoice over thee, he hath set up the horn of thine adversaries.

In the seventh chapter of the book of Daniel is an amazing prophecy picturing for 2,500
years into the future, from the day it was written, the course of the Gentile kingdoms.

Starting with the ancient Chaldean Empire of Nebuchadnezzar, this prophecy foretells
the successive [world rule] of the Persian Empire, Alexander’s Greco-Macedonian
kingdom with its four divisions, and finally, of the mighty Roman Empire.

Out of the original Roman Empire, symbolized by 10 “horns” growing out of the head
of a “beast,” are pictured the 10 resurrections of the Roman Empire that have continued
since its fall to the present, and are scheduled to continue until the coming of Christ.

Among these 10 kingdoms which have ruled in the Western world since the fall of Rome
to the present, appeared another “little horn,” whose “look was more stout than his fellows.”
In other words, another government, actually smaller, yet dominating over all the others.

Students of prophecy recognize this “little horn” as a great religious hierarchy. And in the
25th verse of this prophecy, it is stated that this hierarchy shall “think to change times and laws.”

How Time Was Changed

This same power is mentioned again in the 17th chapter of Revelation, here pictured
as ruling over the kings and kingdoms of the Earth, persecuting the true saints.

In every possible manner, this power has changed time!

God begins the days at sunset, but “the little horn” has changed it so the world now
begins the day in the middle of the night by a man-made watch.

God begins the week with the ending of the true Sabbath, the seventh day of the week,
but the world begins the working week in the middle of the night, the second day of the week.

God begins the months with the new moons, but this “little horn” has induced the world
to begin the months according to a clumsy man-made calendar of heathen origin.

posthuman · Oct 29, 2017

Snoozy said:

it is happening.

what is the temple being described? the fountain that runs out of it? who is the prince? why is the east gate closed forever?

we're definitely not going to be able to better understand Colossians 2:14-17 better by associating it with Ezekiel 45:17 if we are way off on Ezekiel 40-48.

posthuman · Oct 29, 2017

comingfrom said:

if memory serves me right, Carlos later learned from the brujo that a particular spot was neither necessary nor meaningful - but that the idea was introduced as part of his schooling, just as all the plants he used became similarly 'Dumbo's feather' once they had served the purpose of opening his eyes to understanding.

'a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem'

beta · Oct 29, 2017

Nehemiah6 said:

You seem to think that 'sabbath-observance should have been 'especially mentioned - WHY ?
It was a GIVEN by God, the Holy Spirit, Jesus, His handpicked Disciples...it was their FOUNDATION and basic BELIEF and anyone being CONVERTED from their pagan ungodly ways would have known they had to change !!! unless they were stubborn and rebellious and DISobedient....
which is exactly how the 'christian sabbath/sunday became THEIR worship day....NOT by GOD's instruction.
You seem to think that the new converts would have kept the 7th day Sabbath if they had been instructed to ? Well.....firstly the Sabbath was made FOR MAN - any and every man - never just for Jews nor called jewish as people do today who hate it.
Question is WHY do they separate themselves from it...in light of this scriptural knowledge and Christ their Saviors Example ???
Christianity today is a 'confused mess...all because they reject to follow their TRUE Savior ! Think about it please !

beta · Oct 29, 2017

posthuman said:

if memory serves me right, Carlos later learned from the brujo that a particular spot was neither necessary nor meaningful - but that the idea was introduced as part of his schooling, just as all the plants he used became similarly 'Dumbo's feather' once they had served the purpose of opening his eyes to understanding.

'a time is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem'

Now we worship Him in Spirit wherever we are Joh 4v23/24.

prove-all · Oct 29, 2017

posthuman said:

No it is not Happening now, why then are we told to pray Thy kingdom come

And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven,
Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

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17At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the Lord; and
all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the Lord, to Jerusalem:
neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.

So Like the above verse is today? not by a long shot

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Biblical prophecy is clear that our present civilization
is about to be replaced by a far better world.
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...illennium-literal-symbolic-2.html#post3306133

Jesus Christ: He said He would come again.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159075-millennial-reign.html#post3306249

Where will that throne actually be?
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159075-millennial-reign.html#post3306300

The future temple of which Ezekiel prophesied
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/159075-millennial-reign-2.html#post3307687

comingfrom · Oct 29, 2017

posthuman said:

Thank you, posthuman.

Well, as I was testifying, I later learned that it is in the Bible too.
That there is a place, if I can find it, where God puts His name upon me.

And I do this by setting aside three days, and making my eye single for the Lord.

We will go three days' journey into the wilderness,
and sacrifice to the LORD our God, as He shall command us.
Exodus 8:27

After two days will He revive us:
in the third day He will raise us up, and we shall live in His sight.
Hosea 6:2

I you don't mind, I offer up scriptures to show.
You're not to take my word for it.

And just to clarify, wilderness is nature.
I believe that is what we call wilderness nowadays.
Or, the bush, if you are an Aussie.

I hope the time is coming when you do worship the Father in His mountain.
Jesus blessings.
Paul

prove-all · Oct 29, 2017

posthuman said:

The bible also says in the future " all flesh " will worship Him.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from
one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

For by fire and by his sword will the Lord plead with all flesh:
and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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